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I believe that's a private decision that we won't know the answer to unless the family releases that information. It's really nobody's business but theirs, IMO.
WY - Tranyelle Harshman, 32, shot all four kids and then herself, 4 dead, Byron, February 10, 2025
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Haven't heard. I guess that decision would have been up to her father.
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A lot of people have a difficult time with this, when it is a child who unexpectedly dies. How can anyone make sense of anything with a tragedy like this.
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I honestly don't know what I would do if that was me and my child had just died like that. I don't know how I could even function.
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very sad to see the update. RIP Olivia 
Praying for both fathers, may they continue to be able to lean on one another. The two of them may be the only people in the world who can truly grasp the other's suffering and pain.
Praying for both fathers, may they continue to be able to lean on one another. The two of them may be the only people in the world who can truly grasp the other's suffering and pain.
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Winter has been particularly hard this year. I remember an old movie I watched about the wind and dust during the "dust bowl" era, and a mother went crazy. She killed her family. I can't remember the name of the movie. But I remember vividly, how the mother went into a deep depression and hopelessness.
This weather is hard. Dark, cold, wind. It is challenging.
This weather is hard. Dark, cold, wind. It is challenging.
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Byron Man Discusses Wife's Last Days Before Murder-Suicide
Twelve hours after his wife shot her four children and herself, Cliff Harshman sat in a hospital waiting room. “I sat and wept. And I cried to God:…
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The husband and stepdad did an interview. Absolutely heartbreaking. He talks about his wife's depression and the various treatments she tried. This included ketamine, which she was on leading up to the shooting.
"Law enforcement and cleaning crews had removed the girls’ cribs and any toys and clothing that had been bloodied.
It was a kind gesture of them, said Cliff. But met with empty rooms, he scrambled to find anything that still smelled of his babies and his wife.
Eventually he did. He found a sweater Tranyelle had worn for a couple of days and a set of little girls’ jammies that, mercifully, the mother had not yet put in the laundry.
“What I wouldn’t have given to walk into that house and see them,” said Cliff. “I’d give away everything that I have — and I have so much now — just to have it back to normal.”"
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Ugh!!! That is tough to read!Byron Man Discusses Wife's Last Days Before Murder-Suicide
Twelve hours after his wife shot her four children and herself, Cliff Harshman sat in a hospital waiting room. “I sat and wept. And I cried to God:…
The husband and stepdad did an interview. Absolutely heartbreaking. He talks about his wife's depression and the various treatments she tried. This included ketamine, which she was on leading up to the shooting.
"Law enforcement and cleaning crews had removed the girls’ cribs and any toys and clothing that had been bloodied.
It was a kind gesture of them, said Cliff. But met with empty rooms, he scrambled to find anything that still smelled of his babies and his wife.
Eventually he did. He found a sweater Tranyelle had worn for a couple of days and a set of little girls’ jammies that, mercifully, the mother had not yet put in the laundry.
“What I wouldn’t have given to walk into that house and see them,” said Cliff. “I’d give away everything that I have — and I have so much now — just to have it back to normal.”"
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I still don't believe in EVIL as a motive or a mental health condition. It's a biblical and mythical concept.
And the old "Other people have mental illness or money problems" a BS argument. Maybe they don't kill their kids but they can do other things, like drugs, or drinking or self-harm. It's not like killing your family is the only outcome.
And the other people in her life could have probably helped, no question. We don't know much about her before this tragedy happened, only bare bones that may point to some decisions that led to this tragedy. It doesn't just happen out of the blue or because of EVIL.
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Maybe they could have taken her firearm away?Byron Man Discusses Wife's Last Days Before Murder-Suicide
Twelve hours after his wife shot her four children and herself, Cliff Harshman sat in a hospital waiting room. “I sat and wept. And I cried to God:…
The husband and stepdad did an interview. Absolutely heartbreaking. He talks about his wife's depression and the various treatments she tried. This included ketamine, which she was on leading up to the shooting.
"Law enforcement and cleaning crews had removed the girls’ cribs and any toys and clothing that had been bloodied.
It was a kind gesture of them, said Cliff. But met with empty rooms, he scrambled to find anything that still smelled of his babies and his wife.
Eventually he did. He found a sweater Tranyelle had worn for a couple of days and a set of little girls’ jammies that, mercifully, the mother had not yet put in the laundry.
“What I wouldn’t have given to walk into that house and see them,” said Cliff. “I’d give away everything that I have — and I have so much now — just to have it back to normal.”"
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I certainly don't think that the mother was evil based upon what we have seen.
Sounds a bit like The Wind (2018). It was not set in the dust bowl era though but in the 1800s. Creepy movie IMO.
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They may not have known that she had one.
Ketamine as a treatment for depression is the last-ditch treatment before resorting to electroconvulsive therapy. I had also never heard of prazosin, which is an old blood-pressure medication and long obsolete for that purpose unless nothing else works, being used for nightmares but this website says it is.
Prazosin for the Treatment of Nightmares Related to Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A Review of the Literature - PMC
Background: Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a psychiatric disorder with symptoms that include insomnia due to hyperarousal and recurring nightmares. These symptoms are believed to be due to a conditioned response that is regulated by ...
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they should have made it their business to know what was going on, with three kids in the house. I just don't understand it, personally.They may not have known that she had one.
Ketamine as a treatment for depression is the last-ditch treatment before resorting to electroconvulsive therapy. I had also never heard of prazosin, which is an old blood-pressure medication and long obsolete for that purpose unless nothing else works, being used for nightmares but this website says it is.
Prazosin for the Treatment of Nightmares Related to Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A Review of the Literature - PMC
Background: Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a psychiatric disorder with symptoms that include insomnia due to hyperarousal and recurring nightmares. These symptoms are believed to be due to a conditioned response that is regulated by ...
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I don't think people reach out for help when they are in a deep, depression like this. It is almost a psychosis, with distorted thought patterns. Or if she did reach out, people are often uncomfortable with discussing mental health problems.
I had an interesting experience, a nurse asked me at a medical appointment if I felt "suicidal". Then she laughed, like it was just a box she had to check on the chart. I of course, said, "No". Because, she obviously was uncomfortable even asking the question. She completely minimized the question, as if it was trivial and stupid.
What if I really was depressed and needed help? I would have just internalized it. Because obviously she didn't want to hear about it.
So, even if the perpetrator had reached out for help, she may have minimized the depth of her problem. Most people don't want to talk to anyone about suicidal thoughts or homicidal thoughts. In her mind, the perpetrator was "taking care" of her children by taking them with her. Flawed thinking, but probably she felt no way out.
I had an interesting experience, a nurse asked me at a medical appointment if I felt "suicidal". Then she laughed, like it was just a box she had to check on the chart. I of course, said, "No". Because, she obviously was uncomfortable even asking the question. She completely minimized the question, as if it was trivial and stupid.
What if I really was depressed and needed help? I would have just internalized it. Because obviously she didn't want to hear about it.
So, even if the perpetrator had reached out for help, she may have minimized the depth of her problem. Most people don't want to talk to anyone about suicidal thoughts or homicidal thoughts. In her mind, the perpetrator was "taking care" of her children by taking them with her. Flawed thinking, but probably she felt no way out.
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They may not have known that she had one.
Ketamine as a treatment for depression is the last-ditch treatment before resorting to electroconvulsive therapy. I had also never heard of prazosin, which is an old blood-pressure medication and long obsolete for that purpose unless nothing else works, being used for nightmares but this website says it is.
Prazosin for the Treatment of Nightmares Related to Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A Review of the Literature - PMC
Background: Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a psychiatric disorder with symptoms that include insomnia due to hyperarousal and recurring nightmares. These symptoms are believed to be due to a conditioned response that is regulated by ...
Prazosin is extremely common in the treatment of PTSD. It's good for nightmares and hyperarousal symptoms, both of which are hallmarks of PTSD.
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That's true.
I did see that Tranyelle was an organ donor, because she arrived at the hospital "alive."
The local ketamine clinic uses a compounded nasal spray that must be administered at the clinic, and they do it something like once a month. Dosages vary widely.
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But also very valuable....
A toxicology report has now revealed that before the horrifying event, Harshman had ketamine and anti-anxiety drugs in her system:
Shocking details emerge in mom-of-four's grim murder-suicide
Shocking details emerge in mom-of-four's grim murder-suicide
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That is interesting. Ketamine. Isn’t that the same drug Matthew Perry had in his system? I have heard of mental health practices using Ketamine with therapy, but I am wary of it. (Great, you can order it online now).
What Is Ketamine? How It Works and May Help With Severe Depression
Is ketamine a treatment for depression? What are the risks? Learn about the uses, benefits, and side effects of ketamine.
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