Zahra Baker Search and Recovery Effort and Input

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my daughter saw the searchers heading out this morning between 7 -7:15 am.

She saw a parade of 30-35 cars/vans/emergency vehicles traveling together after leaving the hudson fire/rescue. She said the vans were loaded with people and the cars (mostly) had 3-4 in them. A lot of searchers.

She said part of them went straight across 321 up the pine mtn rd to head up the christie road/dudley shoals area. The other part took the mt. Herman road which heads toward the drag strip road. However one note is that the mt. Herman rd does connect with the pine mtn rd via a road named freezer locker rd.

Here's a map showing the area.

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I knew it! Now, do any of us have any idea where AB might have been "working" in this area?
 
35.887754,-81.458976


Netsleuther mentioned this area and the old barn/cabin/building. It's close to Drag Strip Rd. and about 12 miles from the Christie search.

My tweeter is broken this am, my google maps are askew.......maybe I should just go back to bed. lol
 
i am new to this site and would like to offer what i believe is a new perspective. It is my understanding that adam baker either was, or that he claimed to be, of australian aboriginal descent. When i saw zahra's photo with the caption referring to "dark child lol", i interpreted the lol to mean that she didn't really look aboriginal. It also explains why zahra's clothes were left behind in the wardrobe after the eviction. During the mourning process, the deceased person's clothes are generally destroyed. They would certainly never be kept as a "keepsake". Death is often referred to as "sorry business" and use of somebody's name after they have died is generally forbidden. As far as mortuary rituals are concerned, this very much depends upon the particular aboriginal nation to which the person belonged. Burial in the ground was never an option. One way or another, the body was offered to the elements, knowing that the deceased is still part of the natural environment. In general, the flesh is dealt with first (sometimes it is even manually removed). A second disposal involves the bones. The body may be left on a platform or in a tree to decay. The bones can later be placed in a hollow log or wrapped in bark or hidden between rocks. Lyne river aborigines have a rather unique custom of dividing the bones into three separate bundles, which are then placed in three different locations. As it becomes apparent that zhara's body was dismembered, perhaps there could be some truth in elisa's statement that what adam "did after the fact is kinda horrifying". Kind of horrifying to us westerners, but perfectly natural perhaps for a grieving father of aboriginal descent who knew that he could never afford to return her body to her real "country" of birth - wagga wagga, australia.

welcome!!! Thanks for the info!!
 
They did say in the media yesterday they were headed back to the Dudley Shoals area and the Indian Grave area was finished.
 
I am new to this site and would like to offer what I believe is a new perspective. It is my understanding that Adam Baker either was, or that he claimed to be, of Australian aboriginal descent. When I saw Zahra's photo with the caption referring to "dark child LOL", I interpreted the LOL to mean that she didn't really look aboriginal. It also explains why Zahra's clothes were left behind in the wardrobe after the eviction. During the mourning process, the deceased person's clothes are generally destroyed. They would certainly never be kept as a "keepsake". Death is often referred to as "sorry business" and use of somebody's name after they have died is generally forbidden. As far as mortuary rituals are concerned, this very much depends upon the particular aboriginal nation to which the person belonged. Burial in the ground was never an option. One way or another, the body was offered to the elements, knowing that the deceased is still part of the natural environment. In general, the flesh is dealt with first (sometimes it is even manually removed). A second disposal involves the bones. The body may be left on a platform or in a tree to decay. The bones can later be placed in a hollow log or wrapped in bark or hidden between rocks. Lyne River aborigines have a rather unique custom of dividing the bones into three separate bundles, which are then placed in three different locations. As it becomes apparent that Zhara's body was dismembered, perhaps there could be some truth in Elisa's statement that what Adam "did after the fact is kinda horrifying". Kind of horrifying to us Westerners, but perfectly natural perhaps for a grieving father of aboriginal descent who knew that he could never afford to return her body to her real "country" of birth - Wagga Wagga, Australia.

Thank You for sharing that. Perhaps for some deep into their heritage, but not for AB. I really hope they don't try to use this as a defense......it won't fly.
 
It says in the article I just posted from this morning that officials said that the areas they are searching today are places EB suggested.

You're right hon - I just missed in when I read the article.

That was the first time I had seen that picture of Zahra and I was so upset by seeing her holding her award for being a good girl. :frown:
 
35.887754,-81.458976


Netsleuther mentioned this area and the old barn/cabin/building. It's close to Drag Strip Rd. and about 12 miles from the Christie search.

My tweeter is broken this am, my google maps are askew.......maybe I should just go back to bed. lol

Don't you dare! I need another set of eyes!

Have you found this cabin/barn thingy on Google Earth? I don't see it.
 
Don't you dare! I need another set of eyes!

Have you found this cabin/barn thingy on Google Earth? I don't see it.

Yes I have, let me link to the post , the cabin is marked.


[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5744728&postcount=83"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #33[/ame]
 
Welcome OzChristian! I find your post to be extremely informative and interesting. Thank you for adding this to our conversation - as it helps us to understand where AB and Zahra came from and some of the customs and part of their culture. As they were only in the US for a couple of years, it makes sense that we look at this case with the cultural understanding of customs from their Native Land. I truly appreciate your insight and thank you once again! We are glad you joined us here at WS!
 
I am new to this site and would like to offer what I believe is a new perspective. It is my understanding that Adam Baker either was, or that he claimed to be, of Australian aboriginal descent. When I saw Zahra's photo with the caption referring to "dark child LOL", I interpreted the LOL to mean that she didn't really look aboriginal. It also explains why Zahra's clothes were left behind in the wardrobe after the eviction. During the mourning process, the deceased person's clothes are generally destroyed. They would certainly never be kept as a "keepsake". Death is often referred to as "sorry business" and use of somebody's name after they have died is generally forbidden. As far as mortuary rituals are concerned, this very much depends upon the particular aboriginal nation to which the person belonged. Burial in the ground was never an option. One way or another, the body was offered to the elements, knowing that the deceased is still part of the natural environment. In general, the flesh is dealt with first (sometimes it is even manually removed). A second disposal involves the bones. The body may be left on a platform or in a tree to decay. The bones can later be placed in a hollow log or wrapped in bark or hidden between rocks. Lyne River aborigines have a rather unique custom of dividing the bones into three separate bundles, which are then placed in three different locations. As it becomes apparent that Zhara's body was dismembered, perhaps there could be some truth in Elisa's statement that what Adam "did after the fact is kinda horrifying". Kind of horrifying to us Westerners, but perfectly natural perhaps for a grieving father of aboriginal descent who knew that he could never afford to return her body to her real "country" of birth - Wagga Wagga, Australia.

Oz Christian, welcome! You have just blown my mind. I think this is the answer. It is the simplest explanation and the only one that makes any sense. It of course does not answer the question of why, and how Z came to die, but it explains the way that LE is searching....
 
I am leaving it in your capable hands MK, I'm at work so not much time for googling and such til tonight. But thurs and fri. I am off work and will be googling my little fingers off.


Good luck today searcher and sleuthers.
 
OZ Christian very interesting post..I would love to find a rhyme or reason for the disposal of this little darling in the manner it was done. Although I would never agree with it at least I could try to understand it.
 
I think we need to google Aboriginal Culture and the like before we jump on that band wagon. Do we even know if he is of "aboriginal descent"? I think this may need a thread of it's own so it does not mess this one up.
 
Thank You for sharing that. Perhaps for some deep into their heritage, but not for AB. I really hope they don't try to use this as a defense......it won't fly.

ITA, and is this a custom carried on by AB's family? Not that I've heard of.
 
I think we need to google Aboriginal Culture and the like before we jump on that band wagon. Do we even know if he is of "aboriginal descent"? I think this may need a thread of it's own so it does not mess this one up.

AGREED to all. Anyone want to get an aboriginal thread started? btw first post should contain some sort of verification that AB is of aboriginal descent. ty
 
I think we need to google Aboriginal Culture and the like before we jump on that band wagon. Do we even know if he is of "aboriginal descent"? I think this may need a thread of it's own so it does not mess this one up.

I removed my post because it was a rather knee jerk reaction to what I had just read.

I agree that this would need it's own thread!
 
So...back on track: where in this general area of Dragstrip Rd. might AB have worked? I'm thinking I might not really have a grasp on what it is that he actually does, besides remove trees. Is the company one in which they do tree removal on private property, or do they do logging, that type of thing? Anyone know?
 
Good question Kay, any locals familiar with AB's employer (former?) and what sort of work they do landscaping wise? Do they work for private customers, larger commercial ones, etc? Are they just felling trees? Or are they sort of catch all for any sort of landscaping job?

Anyone tried to google the company (can't remember the name rigth off top of head) to see if they have webpage or list type of jobs work they do?
 
Good question Kay, any locals familiar with AB's employer (former?) and what sort of work they do landscaping wise? Do they work for private customers, larger commercial ones, etc? Are they just felling trees? Or are they sort of catch all for any sort of landscaping job?

Anyone tried to google the company (can't remember the name rigth off top of head) to see if they have webpage or list type of jobs work they do?

I have, but when I put in Real Tree Service (is that name correct?), I come up empty.

Maybe someone else will come along who's had better luck.
 
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