Zani Timeline- Other ZannyThoughts- Zanny Searches on Caseys computer

[BondJamesBond]

Very interesting.....

I'm not ready to give up on that theory yet. Too weird that payments were being made and then suddenly stop and lead to a DL getting suspended. Why would someone put forth an effort to pay part of the fine but not all of it?

Thanks for keeping tabs on the ticket!

Methinks somehow the moving violation payment could have been straight-forward...however...when charged for operating w/o a DL it seems one would be required to produce a DL in order to fully process the charge...maybe...maybe not...:waitasec:

IIRC, there was a $50 payment on the no-DL charge. Then, oh chit, goto jail 7/16. That makes the August payments particularly interesting, 'cause...

1) Making payments on them would be an admission of guilt/fraud impersonating ZG.

2) Seems like there was some buzz early on suggesting LE or SA might pay/process fees to keep the tix under the radar. However, if that was the case they prolly woulda just done something administratively or with the courts approval and it would be entered non-descript on the record vs. just leaving it open.

The August payment is just baffling.

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

I know there has been talk of this ticket situation being PURE COINCIDENCE... but there is just too much coincidence that the ONLY time payments were made on this ticket was when she was out of jail.

I agree -- probably would sort of have to kind of produce a real ZG dl to get ouf of the operating without a dl ticket.:bang: That was probably an "Oh Carp" moment for ol' KC.

 

[Hot Dogs]

I know there has been talk of this ticket situation being PURE COINCIDENCE... but there is just too much coincidence that the ONLY time payments were made on this ticket was when she was out of jail.

Wait.... paid in person or by phone/Internet/mail/credit card?

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

Wait.... paid in person or by phone/Internet/mail/credit card?

I'm not sure how the payments were made..... BJB?? Anyone?

 

[Hot Dogs]

I think you understand the obvious reason why I would ask this. Paying for a ticket in person while out of jail presents profound difficulty for KC. She's got that ankle bracelet thing. She was never without escort. She would be extremely recognizable after her pictures were plastered all over the Orlando media.

You think she might have a problem walking up to a teller to pay the ZG ticket?

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

I think you understand the obvious reason why I would ask this. Paying for a ticket in person while out of jail presents profound difficulty for KC. She's got that ankle bracelet thing. She was never without escort. She would be extremely recognizable after her pictures were plastered all over the Orlando media.

You think she might have a problem walking up to a teller to pay the ZG ticket?

I see where you are coming from! My guess is she had someone pay them. (via internet, in person, etc).

 

[Hot Dogs]

Then that person is keeping their mouth shut tight, eh?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Paying for a ticket in person while out of jail presents profound difficulty for KC. She's got that ankle bracelet thing.

You think she might have a problem walking up to a teller to pay the ZG ticket?

*snipped*

heheh, sorta went

[step, draaaag, step, draaaag, step...] "Hi"

 

[BondJamesBond]

I see where you are coming from! My guess is she had someone pay them. (via internet, in person, etc).

Well, FWIW, it wasn't paid via internet.

The OC Clerk's website allows you to re-print receipt for payment on a citation on-line. I tried this for the citation for op w/o a DL and it indicates that it cannot provide a receipt since the payment was not made on-line:

"Citation was not paid using Internet Pay.
We can not re-print your receipt here."​

I also noted today, (I'm sure it was commented on earlier, but, I'm just now coming around to it...)

In the details on the op w/o a DL citation the arraignment is set for 6/11 8AM for which she didn't show.

"ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 06/11/2008 8:00 AM"

1) I believe this suggests that Casey didn't have a ZG DL with her on 6/10, hence, she was being required to return & appear 6/11 to produce it - which, obviously she didn't, yet, somehow she was able to make a cash payment against the charge 6/10.

2) I also believe this suggests Casey's appearance 6/10 would have been set in the AM same as 6/11, as most traffic court cattle calls work this way. This fits with the 2hr & 5min period of cell inactivity for Casey 6/10 starting @ 9:42:11 AM and ending @ 11:47:34 AM.

3) That Ricardo's apartment is near the OC Courthouse suggests to me that Casey had a reason for staying the night @ Ric's place 6/9 for an early AM appearance, despite, what appeared to be a falling out w/ Ricardo after seeing her w/ Tony @ Troy's b-day party a few days prior. Worth noting that Casey spent most of the night 6/9 and into the wee hours 6/10 texting and talking with Tony.

Was Casey thinking she would pull another overnight stay 6/16 and go back to the OC Clerk's office or Court to attempt payment? :waitasec: Were the calls to Lexus that afternoon proposing this to Ricardo? And he turned her down? :waitasec:...and Casey went into WTF mode Again, noting that 6/9 repeated the same 'flurry-of-calls-to-Cindy' pattern, exchanging Lexus for DRF in the mix.

...sorry if I'm just bein' slow to come around...

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

Well, FWIW, it wasn't paid via internet.

The OC Clerk's website allows you to re-print receipt for payment on a citation on-line. I tried this for the citation for op w/o a DL and it indicates that it cannot provide a receipt since the payment was not made on-line:

"Citation was not paid using Internet Pay.
We can not re-print your receipt here."​

I also noted today, (I'm sure it was commented on earlier, but, I'm just now coming around to it...)

In the details on the op w/o a DL citation the arraignment is set for 6/11 8AM for which she didn't show.

"ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 06/11/2008 8:00 AM"

1) I believe this suggests that Casey didn't have a ZG DL with her on 6/10, hence, she was being required to return & appear 6/11 to produce it - which, obviously she didn't, yet, somehow she was able to make a cash payment against the charge 6/10.

2) I also believe this suggests Casey's appearance 6/10 would have been set in the AM same as 6/11, as most traffic court cattle calls work this way. This fits with the 2hr & 5min period of cell inactivity for Casey 6/10 starting @ 9:42:11 AM and ending @ 11:47:34 AM.

3) That Ricardo's apartment is near the OC Courthouse suggests to me that Casey had a reason for staying the night @ Ric's place 6/9 for an early AM appearance, despite, what appeared to be a falling out w/ Ricardo after seeing her w/ Tony @ Troy's b-day party a few days prior. Worth noting that Casey spent most of the night 6/9 and into the wee hours 6/10 texting and talking with Tony.

Was Casey thinking she would pull another overnight stay 6/16 and go back to the OC Clerk's office or Court to attempt payment? :waitasec: Were the calls to Lexus that afternoon proposing this to Ricardo? And he turned her down? :waitasec:...and Casey went into WTF mode Again, noting that 6/9 repeated the same 'flurry-of-calls-to-Cindy' pattern, exchanging Lexus for DRF in the mix.

...sorry if I'm just bein' slow to come around...

Would she have brought Caylee along with her to the court appearance???

Who made the payments in August (Annie, Lee, CA?)??

 

[BondJamesBond]

Would she have brought Caylee along with her to the court appearance???

Shadow poured over the details of this for us once before. I need to look that up to be certain...

IIRC,

• Ricardo saw Casey & Caylee downstairs before he left for work 6/10, which we know is mid-morning
• Amy saw Caylee morning of 6/10 @ Ricardo's, I don't recall any details she provided, if any
• Caylee was with Casey when they went with Tony to Tom's Auto Repair to pick up Tony's Jeep in the early afternoon.

Based on the cell ping information it doesn't appear Casey would have had time to go to court AND leave the immediate area to drop-off & pick-up Caylee. It would have been logical for Casey to leave Caylee with Amy, but, I don't believe Amy's statement supports it. IF Casey went to the courthouse that morning she didn't make any calls until she was well on her way out, on the opposite side of the nearest tower, after leaving. The one call she does make to the number we identified earlier x2633, as she leaves the area could have been to another person that maybe incidentally 'watched' Caylee @ the courthouse while Casey went in briefly...to say, 'thanks', but, the call doesn't connect. We traced this number to a woman that otherwise has no connection and is never called again...I can imagine the "my sitter's sick, can you watch my daughter while I go in?" to another woman in line that day. But, then again, one would think that woman would've come forward with that information when Caylee's face hit all the news a month and a half later...oh well...just noodlin' out loud again. :bang:

Thank you, once again, to Georgia PI for the ping map, BTW, I have a slightly different time stamp than he does for the 'exiting' ping FYI:clap:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...d=103915041605280294744.00045d12571304b65e3f6

Who made the payments in August (Annie, Lee, CA?)??

Wouldn't we all like to know!

According to their website, an in-person payment would've required a DL be presented @ the time of payment to show compliance, IMHO:
http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/traffic/pay-ticket-person.shtml

However, a phone payment would seem to be possible:
http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/traffic/pay-ticket-phone.shtml

Of course, a phone payment would have a credit card trail associated with it :waitasec:

 

[bookworm474]

My question as I imagine it is if stopped and given a ticket didn't the officer check the car's registration and to whom was the car registered? If that didn't match what would a cop do? Also there is an insurance issue for the car or driver? I know Florida is messed up, so what is the protocol?

 

[NORCALGRL]

Here is my post from another thread and then a response by someone else. I think this is how the ticket was paid in August...

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I am still catching up on this thread, so if this has been mentioned already, sorry. I seem to remember when KC's bond was being posted, that there was some issue with a small additional amount that had to be paid in addition to the large bond. It could have been in regards to the check charges, but just thought I'd throw that out there. $100 sounded familiar...
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Hmmm, August 20th LP posted her bail.

8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 1-$500,000 #FCS500308507 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 2-$100 #FCS10315199 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 3-$100 #FCS10315200 INMATE# 08034750

IIRC, there was a hold up on her bond the first time...could this be why?

August 18, 2008 - Someone pays $4.00 for copies of documents associated with her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This will be the last payment activity ZG22 has on this charge.
Court changes status of ZG22's case to "Prosecutorial".

August 20, 2008 - Blink34, who has been watching this traffic case since July notices that the case is showing delinquent and bring it to the attention of "a source in Orlando" pointing out that if there is a connection to the KC case, there's about to be a bench warrant issue.

August 21, 2008 - The case file has been updated retroactive to show that ZG22 made a $100.00 payment on 08/15/08 to the Collections Court on the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This is also the same day KC is released from jail to home confinement. If the payment had been made on 08/15/08, there would be no explanation for the status change to "Prosecutorial" on 08/18/08.

it's all coming together....

 

[BondJamesBond]

My question as I imagine it is if stopped and given a ticket didn't the officer check the car's registration and to whom was the car registered? If that didn't match what would a cop do? Also there is an insurance issue for the car or driver? I know Florida is messed up, so what is the protocol?

I dunno, bookworm. More questions than answers...

Was posted earlier that someone went to check the paperwork, and it was either (a) silent regarding the car ID, or (b) they didn't make note of it.

Perhaps LE did run the tag, it wasn't listed as stolen, and Casey-posing-as-ZG told the story that she was the nanny and was allowed to borrow/drive the car, maybe even produced registration...turned on the charm...batted her eyes...

 

[BondJamesBond]

Here is my post from another thread and then a response by someone else. I think this is how the ticket was paid in August...

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I am still catching up on this thread, so if this has been mentioned already, sorry. I seem to remember when KC's bond was being posted, that there was some issue with a small additional amount that had to be paid in addition to the large bond. It could have been in regards to the check charges, but just thought I'd throw that out there. $100 sounded familiar...
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Hmmm, August 20th LP posted her bail.

8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 1-$500,000 #FCS500308507 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 2-$100 #FCS10315199 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 3-$100 #FCS10315200 INMATE# 08034750

IIRC, there was a hold up on her bond the first time...could this be why?

August 18, 2008 - Someone pays $4.00 for copies of documents associated with her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This will be the last payment activity ZG22 has on this charge.
Court changes status of ZG22's case to "Prosecutorial".

August 20, 2008 - Blink34, who has been watching this traffic case since July notices that the case is showing delinquent and bring it to the attention of "a source in Orlando" pointing out that if there is a connection to the KC case, there's about to be a bench warrant issue.

August 21, 2008 - The case file has been updated retroactive to show that ZG22 made a $100.00 payment on 08/15/08 to the Collections Court on the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This is also the same day KC is released from jail to home confinement. If the payment had been made on 08/15/08, there would be no explanation for the status change to "Prosecutorial" on 08/18/08.

it's all coming together....

*bold & color by me*

Thanks sooooooooooo much NORCALGRL for bringing this over :blowkiss:

That all makes sense...which is HIGHLY unusual for this case :crazy:

 

[jjgram]

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Thanks for helping in the Fight for FINDING
~ JUSTICE ~ for Little Angel CAYLEE !
Murdered at the young age of 2 years old in JUNE 2008 !

God Bless !
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[It's Not the Nanny]

Here is my post from another thread and then a response by someone else. I think this is how the ticket was paid in August...

*********************************
I am still catching up on this thread, so if this has been mentioned already, sorry. I seem to remember when KC's bond was being posted, that there was some issue with a small additional amount that had to be paid in addition to the large bond. It could have been in regards to the check charges, but just thought I'd throw that out there. $100 sounded familiar...
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Hmmm, August 20th LP posted her bail.

8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 1-$500,000 #FCS500308507 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 2-$100 #FCS10315199 INMATE# 08034750
8/20/2008 A AL ESTES BONDING AGENCY FILED RET TBN CT 3-$100 #FCS10315200 INMATE# 08034750

IIRC, there was a hold up on her bond the first time...could this be why?

August 18, 2008 - Someone pays $4.00 for copies of documents associated with her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This will be the last payment activity ZG22 has on this charge.
Court changes status of ZG22's case to "Prosecutorial".

August 20, 2008 - Blink34, who has been watching this traffic case since July notices that the case is showing delinquent and bring it to the attention of "a source in Orlando" pointing out that if there is a connection to the KC case, there's about to be a bench warrant issue.

August 21, 2008 - The case file has been updated retroactive to show that ZG22 made a $100.00 payment on 08/15/08 to the Collections Court on the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This is also the same day KC is released from jail to home confinement. If the payment had been made on 08/15/08, there would be no explanation for the status change to "Prosecutorial" on 08/18/08.

it's all coming together....

Wow!!!! It is indeed starting to come together!!

Wonder why LP has never dropped any of his famous hints about this????

Thanks so much for your information!!! :clap:

 

[bookworm474]

I dunno, bookworm. More questions than answers...

Was posted earlier that someone went to check the paperwork, and it was either (a) silent regarding the car ID, or (b) they didn't make note of it.

Perhaps LE did run the tag, it wasn't listed as stolen, and Casey-posing-as-ZG told the story that she was the nanny and was allowed to borrow/drive the car, maybe even produced registration...turned on the charm...batted her eyes...

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You use reasoning, that is good!

The other thing that plays in my head is the synchronicity involved by ZG showing up at Saw Grass. As synchronicities go they are meaningful to those they happen to as far as meaning means to them. If she knew that that was a woman with the same name as she used for the Zanny, then that might have told Casey in her magical mind that all was well with what she was doing. That seems to be the only reason for Casey to use Saw Grass for a drop off point. But still, I have to wonder for sure how Casey got the place and person to connect. I haven't read the ZFG threads for a long time and I am sure others have good theories. Did Casey pan to get the ticket she got, or was that an incident that trigger her Zanny identity confusions? How much of all these incidents and connections were planned and which one's coud not have been planned???????

 

[LCoastMom]

Well, FWIW, it wasn't paid via internet.

In the details on the op w/o a DL citation the arraignment is set for 6/11 8AM for which she didn't show.

"ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 06/11/2008 8:00 AM"


3) That Ricardo's apartment is near the OC Courthouse suggests to me that Casey had a reason for staying the night @ Ric's place 6/9 for an early AM appearance, despite, what appeared to be a falling out w/ Ricardo after seeing her w/ Tony @ Troy's b-day party a few days prior. Worth noting that Casey spent most of the night 6/9 and into the wee hours 6/10 texting and talking with Tony.

Was Casey thinking she would pull another overnight stay 6/16 and go back to the OC Clerk's office or Court to attempt payment? :waitasec: Were the calls to Lexus that afternoon proposing this to Ricardo? And he turned her down? :waitasec:...and Casey went into WTF mode Again, noting that 6/9 repeated the same 'flurry-of-calls-to-Cindy' pattern, exchanging Lexus for DRF in the mix.

...sorry if I'm just bein' slow to come around...

Was the 6/10 appearance a scheduled court date? Why show up with no ID if the reason for the ticket was no ID (DL)?

If 6/10 was scheduled, doesn't it take a couple weeks to schedule a new appearance? (vs being told to come in 6/11)

KC did spend more overnites at RM's place while ToNY was in NY, why was it OK that/those nite(s) but not OK on the 16th? OF course the fact that her daughter went missing that day would free KC up to spend the nite at ToNY's and she may have been feeling a little more needy (aka clingy) then other days so she was able to convince ToNY to skip class on 6/17 and spend the day with her. (More me me me time.)

If the purpose of paying the ZG fine is to prove ZG exists, she accomplished that by making a payment. At this point, isn't it cheaper to ditch the ZG persona and get another set of docs in another name if this is what KC does? We know money is always an issue.

Also the time line points to Caylee going missing 6/16, it would be such a headache and way too much bother to kidnap a kid and go to the court house the same day. Way too much trouble, ZG grabbed Caylee and made off to parts and places unknown, not going to worry about some silly traffic citation, don`cha know.

Of course if this ZG actually had taken Caylee, she couldn't be 100% sure KC wasn't going to contact LE, so there is no way she could have risked going to the court house and making a payment in person on 6/16, even showing up in court the morning of the kidnapping would have been too risky, had KC contacted LE surely someone at the court house would have recognized the name and put 2 and 2 together.

Regarding the payment made on 8/15, could someone refresh me if I'm incorrect, wasn't KC released later in the afternoon? Who could she have a chance to speak with, who then would have had the opportunity to make this $100 payment? where did KC get the $$$, since Cindy helped herself to KC's cash? To the best we have been able to figure out most of KC's friends have not been in contact with her since her arrest.

Re any Sawgrass connection (I think I saw this mentioned here?) the person who filled out the visitor card identified ZG as a hispanic woman, even agreeing 1 of the pix shown by LE was ZG. So no go on KC as ZG at Sawgrass.

I'm really not convinced this is a connection to KC/Zani. But keep going good peeps, I'm a born cynic.

 

[warbuckle]

Also the time line points to Caylee going missing 6/16, it would be such a headache and way too much bother to kidnap a kid and go to the court house the same day. Way too much trouble, ZG grabbed Caylee and made off to parts and places unknown, not going to worry about some silly traffic citation, don`cha know.

Of course if this ZG actually had taken Caylee, she couldn't be 100% sure KC wasn't going to contact LE, so there is no way she could have risked going to the court house and making a payment in person on 6/16, even showing up in court the morning of the kidnapping would have been too risky, had KC contacted LE surely someone at the court house would have recognized the name and put 2 and 2 together

I don't think KC considered Caylee kidnapped when the payment was made on 6/16.