Zizians linked to four murders in three states, January 2025

Zajko looks a little like Lasota to me... maybe I am imagining that. None of them are big on hair cuts or combing.

To me, it seems like they are all going for a uni-sex look or something. Not quite feminine, not quite masculine; a little bit guy and a little bit girl. They all have the same look.
Considering their ideology, I guess that would make sense.
 
So we know now Daniel Blank was Zajko's roommate in Vermont. But when the police arrived at the Vermont house with a warrant on 1/12/22 he was not there and instead found at a Philadelphia airport hotel in a room with Ziz (Lasota) and where Zajko was staying in another room.

He was reported missing to Pennsylvania State Police on April 12, 2023 according to SFChron. And Namus has his last known location as Media, Pennsylvania 19063 which I assume is the hotel location. So three months between when he was last seen and when he was reported missing. Wonder who reported him missing.
I believe that MJZ and DB were ostensibly in the Philly area in mid January to make arrangements wrt the passing of MJZ’s parents…funeral? Lwat? Idk. But the hotel was not in Media. It was near the airport in South Philly, iirc. Media is a town in the Philly suburbs. I tend to think his lkw would have been associated with his parents or some other associate, who ultimately reported him missing. Moo, as I have not researched him at all. Of course, he *is* reported missing, so he can be sleuthed.
 
If you’re interested in their ‘philosophy’, here’s a long read on the history of the ‘rationalist’ movement online. The Zizians were a sort of splinter group:


People were warning others about them back in 2020:

 
If you’re interested in their ‘philosophy’, here’s a long read on the history of the ‘rationalist’ movement online. The Zizians were a sort of splinter group:


People were warning others about them back in 2020:

Moo, but if I had my druthers, I’d call them extreme techno-utilitarians. Not rationalists. They give folks like Descartes a bad name.
 
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Moo, but if I had my druthers, I’d call them extreme techno-utilitarians. Not rationalists. They give folks like Descartes a bad name.
Yes, IMO they've ventured past old-fashioned philosophy into a new territory of quasi-psychological theories of self/consciousness/the meaning of life.

IMO, this now-vacant territory used to be occupied by religion, and that's why there's such a tendency toward schisms and the cultic.

JMO
 
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Yes, IMO they've ventured past old-fashioned philosophy into a new territory of quasi-psychological theories of self/consciousness/the meaning of life.

IMO, this now-vacant territory used to be occupied by religion, and that's why there's such a tendency toward schisms and the cultic.

JMO
Imo, I think you are giving them too much credit. To me, it has less to do with a spiritual vacuum than a rationalization for a deeply held impulse.

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Imo, I think you are giving them too much credit. To me, it has less to do with a spiritual vacuum than a rationalization for a deeply held impulse.

Edit: grammar
Could be, for those who become the cult leaders But what attracts the devoted followers? They treat the leader as a 'prophet', not as just an ordinary guy with some philosophical ideas.

I'd compare it with Scientology, which started as a type of psychotheraphy, but became a church (cult).

JMO
 
I am worried this group will grow and hope it's stopped before then.

There is/was that other cult Love Has Won/Mother Gold cult that attracted young people and did a lot of recruiting online IIRC to believe in their 5th Dimension. The cult leader/woman ended up dying but I am sure she has been replaced (although I'm not sure).
 
Could be, for those who become the cult leaders But what attracts the devoted followers? They treat the leader as a 'prophet', not as just an ordinary guy with some philosophical ideas.

I'd compare it with Scientology, which started as a type of psychotheraphy, but became a church (cult).

JMO
Scientology taking that turn was less a natural evolution than a deliberate decision made in order to avoid prosecution for practicing without a license that went off the rails, though I suppose it's possible they may have ended up there anyway.
 
Could be, for those who become the cult leaders But what attracts the devoted followers? They treat the leader as a 'prophet', not as just an ordinary guy with some philosophical ideas.

I'd compare it with Scientology, which started as a type of psychotheraphy, but became a church (cult).

JMO
Great comparison. Personally, I’m just a little bit prickly about the rationalism claim.

Setting aside my biases and looking at this Zizian phenomenon as a cult, it seems like the justification for murder relies upon a utilitarian ethic: kill one person because many more will be saved in the long term. Look, for example, at Musk’s view of the self-driving Tesla: sure, it might not be perfect, but each time there is an accident, more data is gathered.

Obviously, this deviates from the societal norm of respecting human life simply because it is human (and we can all relate to being human).

But suppose someone is so distanced from the average human condition (through privilege, for example, or possibly through a psychological or neurological condition): they still have impulses. They might attempt to rationalize their impulses. A cult leader type might offer them an excuse for acting on those deeply felt impulses. Moo.
 
Could be, for those who become the cult leaders But what attracts the devoted followers? They treat the leader as a 'prophet', not as just an ordinary guy with some philosophical ideas.

I'd compare it with Scientology, which started as a type of psychotheraphy, but became a church (cult).

JMO
IIRC correctly Manson would approach very young runaways and kids/girls on the street who were vulnerable and isolated from their families however some of his core followers (Leslie and Tex as example if I remember) also came from good families and were decently educated.

I think if anyone is on the fringe of society and are attracted to unconventional living, these groups can be appealing. Especially now there is 'van life', off grid living, communes that can attract folks who don't want to be part of the status quo.

Also, lots of broken homes nowadays - gangs and cult like environments attract those seeking a "family" if some have never had one in a traditional sense. All kinds of variables for sure.

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I think there are two different ideas, and a person tried to merge them, but not too well. One was a transformation of “two-spirit” concept borrowed from Native Americans.

But, since it is a cultural appropriation and shouldn’t be used by non-Natives, hence someone comes with the concept of two sides of the brain. Biologically, it makes little sense, IMHO.

About the animals. Trying to follow their logic. Yes, ironically, even in Chernobyl where you’d expect to see sick animals after the nuclear disaster, totally different thing happens, lots of rare species emerge and thrive. But taking us humans out won’t help because the next in line species will evolve into another us, that’s all. To me, it looks primitive and scary but also, it is the product of a very lonely mind. And yet some of them definitely were gifted kids. It seems that lack of contact during Covid changed a lot.
They didn't necessarily have to get it from there. Internal struggle between male and female essences is present in plenty of dualistic schools of thought the world over going back ages (the Cathars had something similar, for instance). And contrary to the information at that link, 'two-spirit' as a concept is mostly a modern invention. It's an amalgamation of a broad range of traditions from many different North American cultures with widely varying degrees of resemblance to one another, with a LOT of input from white new age/gay liberation activists Will Roscoe and Harry Hay, who were themselves into a lot of things that could be described as cult-like as well as 'cultural appropriation'. That site glosses over them completely, and presents a supposed historical linguistic basis in Ojibwe when in fact it was first coined in English and then translated back.
 
Great comparison. Personally, I’m just a little bit prickly about the rationalism claim.

Setting aside my biases and looking at this Zizian phenomenon as a cult, it seems like the justification for murder relies upon a utilitarian ethic: kill one person because many more will be saved in the long term. Look, for example, at Musk’s view of the self-driving Tesla: sure, it might not be perfect, but each time there is an accident, more data is gathered.

Obviously, this deviates from the societal norm of respecting human life simply because it is human (and we can all relate to being human).

But suppose someone is so distanced from the average human condition (through privilege, for example, or possibly through a psychological or neurological condition): they still have impulses. They might attempt to rationalize their impulses. A cult leader type might offer them an excuse for acting on those deeply felt impulses. Moo.
True, I may have been thinking more of followers such as TY appears to be. Some of their preoccupations - like the value of animal life, definitions of what it means to be 'good', achieving deep insights by tripping on psychedelics, seem to me more religious, in the sense of defining some aspects of life as being 'sacred'.

But for followers such as MZ, the initial dark impulse was perhaps just 'rationalized'.

JMO
 
It is not possible to 'match' bullets that have been fired from a gun, and then, even further, has penetrated a wall, a body, etc The bullet becomes too severely damaged to know what it looked like before it was exploded.

The controversial 'matching' that was testified to in the Richard Allen case, was to an unspent bullet that fell out of the gun, without ever having been fired. Even then, if it had been the only evidence implicating Allen, I doubt a jury would have convicted him solely on that evidence.

The job of police is difficult. They can't just invent evidence, or plant it, to justify arresting someone

It is highly possible Zajko was indeed in Vermont when her parents were killed. IMO, that is an elementary strategy for someone who is bound to be the chief suspect.

JMO
This is not correct. It is possible to match bullets (projectiles) that have been fired from a gun - but it depends on the extent to which the bullet has been deformed at impact. Many bullets recovered by ME’s / coroners in soft tissue are sufficiently intact that rifling marks can later be used match the bullet to a firearm (assuming the firearm is found). Please see below:


Jmo
 
If you’re interested in their ‘philosophy’, here’s a long read on the history of the ‘rationalist’ movement online. The Zizians were a sort of splinter group:


People were warning others about them back in 2020:

reading this.... " look, all these people just constantly emit vast profusions of words, many of them needless."
 

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