I would love for this to be true, but a question...
If she saw the child wrapped in a blanket, how did she also see the pink pyjamas, the same as Madeleine's?
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If she saw the child wrapped in a blanket, how did she also see the pink pyjamas, the same as Madeleine's?
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Oh Rino....didn't you hear?
Look at our posts on this thread yesterday (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1690380&postcount=302). The latest is that there was no blanket...
But as another poster said the PJ have completely rulled out this "bundle man" and based on the way Team McCann keep changing things I feel more comfortable with what the PJ say.
Thanks for that Doc, it was helpful yes.
You would think they would, like people who worked in the Creche.
God knows sickos gravitate towards jobs that allow them to be near children.
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Madeleine: Now the Portuguese police focus on the missing six hours
Where was Kate between last photo and arrival at tapas bar?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=483027&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART
Where was Kate between last photo and arrival at tapas bar?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=483027&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART
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That's a good question. I don't know when we'll find out the answer, though.
From your link: "The dispute means the movements of the McCanns in the crucial hours leading up to Madeleine's disappearance have yet to be established, although the McCanns are prevented from discussing this due to the strict Portuguese legal system."
ThoughtFox
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OK, I am really tired tonight, but I have to post this before going to bed.
More questions instead of answers about the timeline:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece
But then:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=483027&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART
Follow my rather tired train of thought:
The first article says "Picked up before 6" and taken home.
The second article says "Arrived at 8:40" at the restaurant.
Give or take a few minutes, that could still be nearly 3 hours when all we have is the word of the McCann's that Madeleine was alive and well. We don't know what happened. They say they "put the children to bed." Fine, but what else did they do for three hours?
It's still too vague and doesn't prove anything. I mean, yes, they could have just been reading stories or giving baths. Fine, but then, it is still a fact that Madeleine was not seen for those three hours, so all the spin in the world cannot "create" some new witnesses to those hours inside the apartment.
It's just the McCann's word against the police. Still . . . nothing really knew except they are spinning it differently. Madeleine still could have disappeared during the three hours before dinner, even if she was at the resort daycare until "before 6."
I must also point out that nearly none of that is new, except that Maddie was "seen" by others in the afternoon.
This article from Sept. 7 has nearly the same info, but the times are a little different:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2164779,00.html
More questions instead of answers about the timeline:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece
But then:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=483027&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART
Follow my rather tired train of thought:
The first article says "Picked up before 6" and taken home.
The second article says "Arrived at 8:40" at the restaurant.
Give or take a few minutes, that could still be nearly 3 hours when all we have is the word of the McCann's that Madeleine was alive and well. We don't know what happened. They say they "put the children to bed." Fine, but what else did they do for three hours?
It's still too vague and doesn't prove anything. I mean, yes, they could have just been reading stories or giving baths. Fine, but then, it is still a fact that Madeleine was not seen for those three hours, so all the spin in the world cannot "create" some new witnesses to those hours inside the apartment.
It's just the McCann's word against the police. Still . . . nothing really knew except they are spinning it differently. Madeleine still could have disappeared during the three hours before dinner, even if she was at the resort daycare until "before 6."
I must also point out that nearly none of that is new, except that Maddie was "seen" by others in the afternoon.
This article from Sept. 7 has nearly the same info, but the times are a little different:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2164779,00.html
I still have a feeling Russell O'Brien is involved. His time was unaccounted for, gone during most of the Tapas dinner. He claimed his daughter was sick and throwing up all over the place, and at one point the PJ announced he was suspected of killing Madeleine. And you also have Jane Tanner doing her best to implicate the mysterious stranger carrying a child in pajamas. What is wrong with this picture?
I think there is a whole lot wrong with this picture Calikid, and the longer it goes on the less we find out, or if new news does come out, its false.
When are we going to find out the truth.
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CaliKid, I totally agree. I think he is involved, too. I wish I could shake the feeling that the McCann parents are involved, too, though, and I just can't.
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I thought he already was? :waitasec:
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I think this must mean that officially Jane Tanner's testimony has been discounted as being of significance, as well as the other Tapas diners who insisted they had seen Murat that night.
Whatever the evidence on the McCanns is, there doesn't seem to be any on Murat unless it's the "We saw him here" variety.
Whatever the evidence on the McCanns is, there doesn't seem to be any on Murat unless it's the "We saw him here" variety.
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I have a couple of questions/comments
Weren't there any video security cameras at the resort ?
What kind of key was used for the doors, regular key or card key?
If card key can the resort track the comings and goings?
Did the friend who checked on Maddie have the McCann's key?
Also I am curious about their finances, 2 doctors, they have to be very well off and yet there is this out pouring of $$ from various people. It just seems odd to me.
When I first heard about the this case, the first thing that struck me was I couldn't believe they left those kids alone like that.
I have a couple of questions/comments
Weren't there any video security cameras at the resort ?
What kind of key was used for the doors, regular key or card key?
If card key can the resort track the comings and goings?
Did the friend who checked on Maddie have the McCann's key?
Also I am curious about their finances, 2 doctors, they have to be very well off and yet there is this out pouring of $$ from various people. It just seems odd to me.
When I first heard about the this case, the first thing that struck me was I couldn't believe they left those kids alone like that.
Welcome JMCDAD!
The main thing to remember about this "resort" is that the apartment the McCanns were staying in was privately owned (see: http://www.bookmyvillas.com/villadetails.asp?villaid=10002 ). The apartments are located outside the pool/Tapas Bar area which is surrounded by a 6ft. wall. The only way to access the pool area is through a small security building. This resort consists of a few different areas, some are owned by Mark Warner (Ocean Club) and some are more like timeshares, privately owned and managed by travel agents like Thomas Cook. There are many pictures of the resort in the "Pictures" thread which will give you a better idea.
I have read that no, there are not CCTV cameras all around the resort. Since so much of it is not owned by the resort proper that type of survelliance would have to be installed, maintained and paid for by the individual owners. So there may be some but not extensive. There have been no reports of CCTV footage of anything around the apartment or the Tapas Bar on the night of May 3rd.
If you read in the description of the actual apartment 5A which the McCanns rented (link above, but now that I look further I may be mistaken about this being the actual apartment, but it is probably very similar) you will see mention of a key being needed to lock the front door (turning around twice to lock). Also these are older buildings and again, any new fangled electronics would be installed by the owners. So, it appears there are no key cards involved in these buildings.
The friend who checked on Maddie may have just listened at the bedroom window or may have entered the patio doors which have been reported as having been left unlocked. Nothing known as fact however.
As far as the McCanns finances, again nothing positive but they do live in a house that is reportedly worth $600,000 (pounds) which today would be about $1,200,000 US dollars. I also read that the apartment they rented at the Ocean Club was pricey. Our friend who stayed right across the street paid about $2000 a week for her place (I think). I do not think they were hurtin' for cash...
The leaving the children alone is probably the first thing that struck everyone as odd. Many people have asked why they were not charged with neglect, at the very least. The McCanns have never talked about it other than to defend their actions as being "typical" and "responsible".
Hope that is helpful and again, welcome to the board!!
Texana
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JMCAD,
Welcome.
No publicity of any kind about the door keys. Maybe Colomom can check with her friend who actually visited the resort.
They are being very tight-lipped about the key/unlocked door question. At first reportedly the doors were locked. Then unlocked. Then Kate refused to answer questions about that because of the investigation.
The only thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned is passing the key back and forth, the logical (if you are okay with the locked room scenario) solution.
Welcome.
No publicity of any kind about the door keys. Maybe Colomom can check with her friend who actually visited the resort.
They are being very tight-lipped about the key/unlocked door question. At first reportedly the doors were locked. Then unlocked. Then Kate refused to answer questions about that because of the investigation.
The only thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned is passing the key back and forth, the logical (if you are okay with the locked room scenario) solution.
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I don't think there were security cameras at the resort. I guess there are a couple of cameras on a main road leaving the town the resort is in. It's been reported that the police didn't notify those camera operators until the next morning, and didn't review the tapes they had. (That may have changed, the article I'm talking about is older.
I think they were regular keys, though I'm not positive. Much has been made that the parents left the door unlocked.
I think people will send money to help because typically, it's all they can do. I'm not sure the financial situation of the family really comes into play for the most part.
And, you are not alone. Leaving the kids in the room has had a major impact on people's thoughts and opinions related to this case, IMO.
BTW-- Welcome to WS!
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