long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[audreyparker]

So nasty. I worked for someone once who had that habit. It became a huge thing for me, because EVERY TIME I would walk into his office, his finger was up his nose, so I always looked away or down or whatever. It was gross. I believe it was just a habit. But come on....you are a grown man. NASTY.

Yuck! How disgusting.

 

[sammie]

My understanding is that she contacted the bishop IN ARIZONA after she had moved to Yreka and after Travis was murdered, for the purpose of finding out what he knew.

She would never have gone to the bishop and confessed while Travis was still alive because her bishop would then have promptly contacted Travis' bishop and Travis would be called in.

The fact that Travis went to his bishop and confessed after JA moved back to Yreka means that he 1)promised not to see her again, and 2) was put on probation (possibly disfellowshipped which means can't receive communion or bless people)...but he wasn't excommunicated because he came forth voluntarily. If he sinned again, he would certainly be excommunicated unless there were mitigating circumstances (such as being tied up and forced).

We see this in his behavior when he did not follow through on his plans to visit JA in Yreka. He was sincere in his repentance.

When you understand that Jodi might not have known Travis had been to his bishop, you begin to see how the motive was accelerated for the murder. She shows up and he rejects her sexual advances. Over the following hours she learns that Mimi Hall has replaced her on the Cancun trip. She already knows he wants to get married but perhaps thinks the secret travels/sexcapades are going to continue regardless-- until she finds out he has been to the bishop without telling her.

In Mormon culture, it is considered a betrayal to go to the bishop and confess without giving your partner the opportunity to do the same thing concurrently, and thereby avoiding a perpetrator/victim view of the fornication. If you each go to your separate bishops at the same time, or both go to one bishop, it goes much easier on you If you say you are setting a wedding date, it will go very easy on you. Chances are you will not even be disfellowshipped.

With Travis putting his membership in jeopardy if he has sex with JA again, that clearly points to JA's motive to fake a sex scene to go with the phone sex in order to blackmail TA into silence. At this point, she knows she will not remain his girlfriend or his dirty little secret because he is not going to give up his membership for her--no way. That would ruin him at PPL as well. And his ability to sell a book would be nil. An excommunicated person sometimes can't even get work in Utah and some parts of Idaho and Arizona.

Her only chance to continue to prey on Mormon men and meet wealthy ones who don't know her low class morals and social status, is to silence Travis. He foolishly has threatened to expose her to all their friends for the things she has done and the stalking, etc. He knows she is a sociopath but somehow does not know they are DANGEROUS. If he follows through with his threat, she is back to living off tips in her grandmother's extra bedroom.

This is why he had to die. He refused to be silenced and she knew one foolproof way to maintain her ability to continue the Mormon/PPL goldmine she discovered and that was to kill him.

I am sure jealousy was a factor but survival as a female bombshell predator feeding on these virginal returned missionaries was paramount, imo.

You need to email this motive to JM.

 

[raisincharlie]

Six degrees of Donavan B..

http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/i....go.com/images/US/abc_arias_friends_mi_130220

Thanks TigerBalm - until this came to trial, I just did not follow it but it hasn't taken long for me to figure out JA is guilty as anyone can possibly be.

Appreciate it :seeya:

 

[snowshuze]

[video=youtube;vE_Ue5rF8QM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_Ue5rF8QM[/video]


The ever helpful Ms Arias....asks Det Flores if they should be recording the interview <at about 9:10>


:floorlaugh:

 

[Karmady]

Why does ALV presume to define a childhood as good or bad? Isn't that up to the individual to decide? Can you judge an entire childhood on one aspect of it? Are most childhoods entirely good or bad? Why does ALV think she is an expert on other people's lives? No answers to these questions, I know...it's just such an odd way of thinking.

If what Travis has written about his childhood is true, I think most people would characterize it as a very bad childhood. Horrible even. At least up to the point that he went to his grandparents. jmo

 

[kwmred]

Why? Court ends for the day, so the juror goes outside to wait for his wife to get off work and come pick him up. They're not sequestered, he doesn't have to stay in the building.

Why? Why go out front where the press and spectators are hanging out. As a juror, shouldn't you at least attempt to avoid these people?

 

[ElleElle]

http://www.alycelaviolette.com/Continuum-of-Aggression-and-Abuse.htm

Did anyone get a screen shot or is it available online?
What did she call it? Not the cycle of abuse but the one with columns.

 

[Worry Wart]

What I found more bizarre was the defense witness, ALV. mouthing something to JW and then JW asking to approach the bench. Looks like ALV mouthed "Are you going to..." and then her hand blocked her face, so I could not make out any more.

The witness has to cue the attorney? It is very apparent that ALV knows the line of questioning and what to anticipate.

AVL mouthed " I need to use the restroom" . Hence the short break.

 

[Karmady]

Why? Why go out front where the press and spectators are hanging out. As a juror, shouldn't you at least attempt to avoid these people?

I don't know if this has any bearing on what this juror supposedly is doing, but the juror bus stop is right out front.

 

[Veritas_Vita]

From the book, Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon (the show The Wire was based upon this book)

1.Everyone lies. Murderers lie because they have to; witnesses and other participants lie because they think they have to; everyone else lies for the sheer joy of it, and to uphold a general principle that under no circumstances do you provide accurate information to a cop.

2.The victim is killed once, but a crime scene can be murdered a thousand times.

3.The initial 10 or 12 hours after a murder are the most critical to the success of an investigation.

4.An innocent man left alone in an interrogation room will remain fully awake, rubbing his eyes, staring at the cubicle walls and scratching himself in dark, forbidden places. A guilty man left alone in an interrogation room goes to sleep.

5.It's good to be good; it's better to be lucky.

6.When a suspect is immediately identified in an assault case, the victim is sure to live. When no suspect has been identified, the victim will surely die.

7.First, they're red. Then they're green. Then they're black. (Referring to the color of an open case on the board, the money that must be spent to investigate the case, and the color of the solved murder as it is listed on the board)

8.In any case where there is no apparent suspect, the crime lab will produce no valuable evidence. In those cases where a suspect has already confessed and been identified by at least two eyewitnesses, the lab will give you print hits, fiber evidence, blood typings and a ballistic match.

9.To a jury, any doubt is reasonable; the better the case, the worse the jury; a good man is hard to find, but 12 of them, gathered together in one place, is a miracle.

10.There is too such a thing as a perfect murder. Always has been, and anyone who tries to prove otherwise merely proves himself naive and romantic, a fool who is ignorant of Rules 1 through 9


Rule #4 when JA is sleeping interrogation room

 

[bznbear]

O/T but has anyone heard from katydid2 and how her granddaughter is?

 

[zebraland]

After the person in the bunny suit outside court the other day I think the only thing the Easter Bunny will get this year is a dirty look.

And stay safe this Easter weekend too LambChop! ; )

 

[cricket49]

My apologies if this has been brought up before.

I am watching the NG interrogation tape with Jodi and Detective Flores. He mentioned to her that he has heard the word obsession over and over pertaining to her behavior with Travis. Flores even says Fatal Attraction has been mentioned a few times.

Does anybody know if the jury heard this part of the tape?

Please...please say yes

I brought this over from the previous thread.

I just watched Day 6 of the trial interrogation tape with Jodi and Flores. Flores does state that people who knew Jodi described her as obsessed with Travis. Fatal Attraction was also used.

Soooooo the jury DID hear this. yea!!!

 

[kwmred]

I don't know if this has any bearing on what this juror supposedly is doing, but the juror bus stop is right out front.

It's been a while so I don't know if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't the court offer to have all the jurors escorted from the courthouse? I know they gave them all keys to a door around back for when they arrive.

Maybe the judge just needs to sequester the jurors now that this has become a media circus.

 

[Miss Behavin]

Right?

Nothing she said makes sense, especially about Travis body slamming/chasing her. Naked. Yeah, whatever.

Most men, even clothed, instinctively guard their private parts if they find themselves in a scuffle. I don't imagine any man provoking a fight in the nude for that reason.

JMO

 

[Truth Detector]

I never once believed her phoniness on that tape. She had a mission with that recording and it wasn't to have a couple orgasms.

Fake orgasms, IIRC.

That's what she claimed in her testi-phoney.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

:gthanks:
David Lohr!!!
:blowkiss:
:bow:
:blowkiss:
Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_Ue5rF8QM​

Thanks for this. I am listening to this while stuck here at work on a beautiful day. OMG....I should make a list...

JA to Det Flores - We broke up because I violated his trust. Not because the relationship was unhealthy.

JA - I am a convert (Mormon) but I have always lived my life by the 10 Commandments - I've had a couple of serious relationships - and it says "thou shalt not...dit dit dit....but I always used to joke it doesn't say "thou shalt not fornicate"

OMG

 

[zebraland]

Yuck! How disgusting.

Remember the Seinfeld episode?

I recently saw video capturing Henry Kissinger in the pick with the coup de grace - from the schnoz to the mouth. Ewwwww! Understand that he sought to keep that footage under wraps.

 

[isa]

Originally Posted by SoBeCzar
When he said that he said something like I never used to {masturbate} before, now I do it like 7 or 8 times a day. I took that to mean he generally didn't masturbate, not literally never had masturbated. I find it very very very unlikely he had never masturbated at his age. I think some folks want to take it as a sign he was a virgin and thereby vilify JA even more. It is very unlikely he was a virgin or had never masturbated. It does not change what JA did or how evil she is.

I thought it sounded like he has probably masturbated before, but he became sexually compulsive after he met Jodi.

&#8220;Before I met you, I never jacked off. Then, once I start, once, ahh, I started getting, I don&#8217;t know, like once a month, once every two weeks. Like &#8212; Since you&#8217;ve left, I jack off every day, sometimes two to three times a day&#8221;.

At 30:40

[video=youtube;qt61znNwsaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt61znNwsaA[/video]

 

[zebraland]

JA - I am a convert (Mormon) but I have always lived my life by the 10 Commandments

Did anyone else notice in the interrogation that she says "I believe in the 10 Commandments but..." at that point the detective said something and she stopped. I REALLY wanted to hear what came out of her mouth next.