I think that is a great question- With the video of her backing out and hitting his van, could the defense now introduce the possibility that he was killed by the plow driver, or another guest?
I would love to see that and the exact time John’s phone totally stops moving.
I know your list is of what LE established, but if you know this I appreciate you.
Respectfully, I thought the intact taillight video might have changed your mind.
I don't think that they did establish that but they sure made it believable that he is the type of person who might do that.
Are these all points from trial testimony? I’m specifically curious about your second point - I haven’t been able to watch every day so I didn’t know if the prosecution had given a specific time frame of when they think they KR hit JO, at least during the trial.
What would a similar 'not guilty' list look like, if I may ask?
I think this might end up being the biggest red herring of the trial unless either side has updated data. Pre-trial the defense used Apple Health data and said the last movement was 12:32am, the prosecution used GPS data from the phone and said the last location and movement registered were at 12:24am (but did register some kind of data point at 12:59am)
While I agree with her, I am not sure this was the most appropriate timing for her to make a statement.BOSTON —
Offensive and inappropriate messages written by a lead investigator in the high-profile Karen Read murder case harm the Massachusetts law enforcement community, Gov. Maura Healey said Thursday.
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'I am disgusted': Gov. Healey reacts to trooper's texts from Karen Read case
"It does harm, frankly, to the dignity and the integrity of the work of men and women across the state police and law enforcement," Healey said.www.wcvb.com
"It's completely unprofessional," Healey said Thursday when NewsCenter 5 asked her about Proctor's testimony. "It does harm, frankly, to the dignity and the integrity of the work of men and women across the state police and law enforcement. So as a former attorney general and as governor, I am disgusted by that."
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It don’t.
There were a LOT of people at the scene in and out during that time period.
Relatively meaningless. Maybe he didn't have much of a chance to text her that all was good (maybe it wasn't.) Plus, my husband is horrible at texting, particularly when he is having a good time.
I've said before he may not have made it into the house. Maybe someone saw him from the yard and beckoned him to the back yard. Or maybe went in through the front and downstairs. People aren't lying. They just may not have seen him.
They all were.
They all were.
They say it was caused by that little crack in the taillight and he was how far away from the driveway? I think his injuries look a lot more like there was a physical fight and an animal attack.
We don't have a reliable source on that other than Jen McCabe. (I hit him I hit him I hit him.) Did I hit him? is just one immediate thought, knowing she was drunk and maybe did it not knowing. (If anything using that argument, you'd need to toss the Murder 2 rap out the window.
Still not seeing it. We do know she hit his car. Tail light could have been broken then, glass fell into the hole and then it was placed there at different times. Plus, I don't know. I feel there would have been far more damage to her vehicle if she hit him. He was a big guy.
Is there a link to that? I don't recall that specifically.
Was this from today?
Victim's DNA would be all over that car period.
Just curious - will ANYTHING change your mind? Or is your mind made up?
They don't need one. Not saying that because I don't think the CW proved their case. I just mean legally, there is no burden of proof on the defendant to prove their innocence.
I really want to see a consolidated timeline from the prosecution. Why is that so difficult?
I would like to see how they line up with KR’s text messages and calls. According to her interview (posted up thread) she wasn’t sure they were really welcome and she watched John walk up the driveway, then starts texting him. Waits 10 mins and leaves. That don’t made sense to me, she knew they were invited Jen was sending directions. Why let John go in and check it out…..what’s to check? Plus Karen don’t remind me of a girl that’s just going to set there if John’s not texting her back, she’s going after him. Then there’s always that other question….why would you think you hit him if you seen him go to the door.
I completely forgot in the Nightline interview KR says she saw him walking towards the side door. I know why people have issues with her saying that after previously not even remembering being at Fairview but I think it’s worth discussing. I didn’t realize where the side door was until today - completely missed that part of the house. Someone easily could go in that door and not been seen by everyone else in the main part of the house
Don't want to speak for someone else, however, I am linking June 11 post, so maybe that got the wheels moving? idk. moo
one thing that sticks in my mind is one of those alberts giving the layout of the house and how you come in the door go to the right and can go right down...I don't think people in living areas or kitchen would necessarily know. There was an interview done with KR and she told the events in her own words....they argued in the car she was not sure they had even been invited and I think that is why she did not go in but he was determined to go in. I think he could have gone down and had an altercation with someone and it got out of control.
The side door, by the garage enters into the family room which is open to the kitchen.
