Moonstrawbs
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I think you're right.They are probably hung up on the lesser charges, wondering if they convict her on those charges for being drunk and driving.
IMO
I think you're right.They are probably hung up on the lesser charges, wondering if they convict her on those charges for being drunk and driving.
IMO
I mean... 3 FLIGHTS?? (Dang, how big are these houses?) So... yeah. I don't buy any of this "the tech is wrong", no way.He didn't have a watch. His Apple Fitness app showed him walking up 3 (I believe) flights of stairs. The CW used their usual argument of "the technology is wrong"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that as saying that TOD isn't ever based on body temp alone, since postmortem cooling of a body is affected by multiple variables. But does that mean that if those relevant multiple variables were all known in any particular case, then TOD could be established based on postmortem temp of the body? Perhaps not though, I don't know.There is no way to calculate how long he was out in the cold from his body temperature.
Evaluation of Postmortem Changes - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
Postmortem changes constitute the natural progression of the body’s decomposition after death, beginning at the cellular level. The process involves complex cellular and biological phenomena. The changes that commence immediately after death continue to occur over a prolonged period at different...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Algor mortis is the postmortem cooling of body temperature until it equalizes the temperature of the surrounding environment. The rate of cooling lags initially, then becomes linear before slowing down again as it approaches the ambient temperature, giving a sigmoid-shaped curve when graphically represented. The ambient temperature is a critical factor that affects the rate of postmortem cooling of the body. Postmortem cooling of the body continues for about 6 hours after death, and the rate of cooling is primarily dependent on the difference in body temperature at the time of death and the temperature of its surroundings. The rate of cooling will hasten in a body immersed in water, a naked body, and a thin body. The rate of cooling will be slower in a well-clothed body and an obese body. A prudent forensic pathologist will not estimate the time since death based on the single criterion of algor mortis. The rate of postmortem cooling of the body is affected by multiple variables.
I asked a similar question a couple of times and haven't gotten anyone who can answer yet. I've been trying to figure out how, if his phone WAS in the house and did register steps and/or flights of stairs, then why didn't it register anything when it was taken back out to the front of the house in the middle of the night?I was unable to listen to every moment of testimony on this one...
Question please.
Was it shown that JO climbed stairs according to Apple watch data? How many steps? At the exact time he would have been at the house?
If the answers are yes to 2 of these 3 questions, I cannot understand how KR is guilty.
I mean... 3 FLIGHTS?? (Dang, how big are these houses?) So... yeah. I don't buy any of this "the tech is wrong", no way.
Thank you for the correction about it being his Fitness App.
That plus the injury that looks like a dog attack, does it for me.
Medical experts all testified without question or challenge that if JO had been hit by a vehicle they would expect to see at a minimum bruising at autopsy. The actual ME was unable to explain the lack of bruising.JO's body had no brusing even on the arm claimed by CW to have been struck. He was not struck by a vehicle IMO.I agree with all you said, very well stated. I just have one comment. Bruses take time to appear he died or was very close to death within a few hours of injury from her car. All of his body functions were shutting down. Just My Opinion
Seems broken bones were discussed as well as bruises.....I agree with all you said, very well stated. I just have one comment. Bruses take time to appear he died or was very close to death within a few hours of injury from her car. All of his body functions were shutting down. Just My Opinion
It's totally reversed which as you say is just wild. Nuts!!!There are many things about this case that are just wild to me. But the wildest has to be that the defense appear to have actively made more of an effort to investigate the circumstances surrounding John O'Keefe's death than the CW has.
And the defense has done such a good job that it's the CW having to make up crazy excuses for the evidence not fitting their case.
jmo
Patricia ArquetteI agree with that. There was nothing inappropriate done in front of the jury. Judicially, she was fine. However, the cameras were rolling. Judge, in her momentary lack of reasoning, forgot that. Under such, she herself just moments before scolding KR for laughing, had giggled/chuckled out loud at Yannetti's comment about him not ever seeing a Verdict form like that before. Then she does her snarling take-down of KR for laughing. Netflix was watching.....We all were watching.
She needed to act quickly to redeem herself, and she did. But we saw it.
I do wonder who will portray her in the series.
I’m sure someone will jump on the defense side but prosecution said the steps were taken before his gps arrived at the house.I was unable to listen to every moment of testimony on this one...
Question please.
Was it shown that JO climbed stairs according to Apple watch data? How many steps? At the exact time he would have been at the house?
If the answers are yes to 2 of these 3 questions, I cannot understand how KR is guilty.
I may have missed this. I have looked into this in the past and it seems like if the phone is in a bag, it doesn't seem to register steps. This is from looking online and into iphones specifically. jmo.I asked a similar question a couple of times and haven't gotten anyone who can answer yet. I've been trying to figure out how, if his phone WAS in the house and did register steps and/or flights of stairs, then why didn't it register anything when it was taken back out to the front of the house in the middle of the night?
Ok I reviewed this. Are you asking or pointing something out specific?start at 26.53, I suggest
You're absolutely correct, and you ought to watch the defence expert testimonies. All three of them were brilliant and one of them did cover this scenario.Not convinced that a typical glass would crack a tail light- I think the glass would break but not the plastic tail light. I think you would need a big rock or a hammer or another vehicle IMO. Any car mechanics in WS?
I was unable to listen to every moment of testimony on this one...
Question please.
Was it shown that JO climbed stairs according to Apple watch data? How many steps? At the exact time he would have been at the house?
If the answers are yes to 2 of these 3 questions, I cannot understand how KR is guilty.
I know many here think I’m crazy to have posted that. But my view comes from experience. I worked neuro icu as one example, so I have seen it. Not saying it’s always just that it can.Replying to a quote brain injured people can move around.
The lessers still require he was hit by lexus though, so in terms of the engineering, dog marks and medical evidence nothing changes. If they're stuck on the lessers then it would mean they're ignoring the expert evidence and have only found there was no intent. jmoI am hoping that changing that verdict form did not confuse them into thinking more seriously about lessers. I think they would be interested in wrapping this up today as it is likely many have plans for getting an early start on the weekend. For them summer has really not started yet with the burden of this trial hanging over. Often lesser charges are a compromise verdict but in this case would just be wrong. Then the entire cast of characters in that house that night should be convicted along with KR.