Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #186

[girlhasnoname]

bbm
Yes, I would also wish, we could line up the sketches/photos. BUT if the specific man, who looks like sketch #2 = YBG, is not included "for reasons", cough cough, then the same discussion as always would follow. Nothing won, unfortunately. MOO

I still think that was LE''s way of getting to BG, letting them know they had found the A_shots (and others) account and making a public announcement there was some form of SM exchange after all. Sort of a 'tickling the wire' kind of move.

If you were to see the sketch person YBG from 50 yards (RA was on the first platform of MHB) with his beanie hat on, I believe it could pass for RA, especially when at the time he was much slimmer and younger looking. I look forward to BB's actual testimony at trial instead of the FM version.

ALL MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

February 11, 2022

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/indianapolis/news/press-releases/fbi-joins-law-enforcement-partners-to-mark-anniversary-of-delphi-murders

October 31, 2022
Doug Carter at Press conference after arrest. @4:08
“FBI and all federal agencies are continuing to be available to us”

 

[Betty P]

I think he does, especially his eyes/brows and nose look dead on to me.

I agree. Even his mouth looks pretty much the same. There’s also a very close resemblance to the full body shot of him from the video on the bridge. I don't think there will be a problem convincing the jury that his physical appearance matches the video and LE posters.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I still think that was LE''s way of getting to BG, letting them know they had found the A_shots (and others) account and making a public announcement there was some form of SM exchange after all. Sort of a 'tickling the wire' kind of move.

If you were to see the sketch person YBG from 50 yards (RA was on the first platform of MHB) with his beanie hat on, I believe it could pass for RA, especially when at the time he was much slimmer and younger looking. I look forward to BB's actual testimony at trial instead of the FM version.

ALL MOO

I hate replying to my own post, but wanted to correct the information of BB seeing RA=BG from 50 yards to 50 feet as stated in the PCA.

My apologies.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree. Even his mouth looks pretty much the same. There’s also a very close resemblance to the full body shot of him from the video on the bridge. I don't think there will be a problem convincing the jury that his physical appearance matches the video and LE posters.

A ringer for sure, especially when you consider how short RA is. One of the young female witnesses said in the PCA he was short, no more than 5 10". That's unusual that a kid that passed him for mere seconds noticed how 'short' he was.

IMO

 

[Betty P]

A ringer for sure, especially when you consider how short RA is. One of the young female witnesses said in the PCA he was short, no more than 5 10". That's unusual that a kid that passed him for mere seconds noticed how 'short' he was.

IMO

Yes, add that contextual information to the video and poster and its a slam dunk. Include his confessions, his admission to being there that day, car on video, etc. and the rest of the evidence.

 

[Megnut]

I'd say paganism has about a .0000000000000001% cn m n̈mm nnin ho NHL hm bug jh hmhance of being involved

So you're saying there's still a chance? (Movie line.)

Good on LE for asking around to see if there were any obvious links to Odinism and then putting that pretty much to bed. Shows due diligence.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

A ringer for sure, especially when you consider how short RA is. One of the young female witnesses said in the PCA he was short, no more than 5 10". That's unusual that a kid that passed him for mere seconds noticed how 'short' he was.

IMO

Plus sketches aren't photographs. They're representations of memory and impression.

Expecting it to be identical isn't realistic.

Pretty impressive recall IMO. Witnesses did well.

RA too. Confirmed quite a bit of it, he did.

JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

From what I’ve read, we’ve heard a few stories re:FBI no longer being involved.

We know Click testified that once FBI agent Ferency was murdered by that Corrections officer, he no longer worked on the Delphi case. I don’t recall if he gave a explanation further than the murder? That was July/2021

FBI director: Terre Haute police Detective Greg Ferency did what ‘needed to be done’

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. (AP) — A veteran Indiana police officer who was killed in an ambush outside of an FBI field office last week was a valued member of an

www.wfft.com

March 2022, ISP asked the FBI to remove all of the identifying details from the BG poster.

FBI removing some information from Delphi death investigation posters

The FBI confirmed it's removing some information from the posters involving the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German who were killed in 2017 in Delphi.

www.wrtv.com

I believe in the FM (see edit below) there is mention that DC asked the FBI to step away from the case in 2021 over conflict over investigation strategies. We know the FBI via TC was into the 3rd party suspects and the UC was IMO refusing investigate them. There’s depositions with TL where he says he had no idea the FBI was ever asked to leave the case but that seems to be par for the course in the depos. Everyone’s just stunned.
(Edit: page 10 footnote, in their depos JH says that DC kicked FBI out 2021 due to conflicts, TL says he had no idea that happened)

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IMO I wonder if the FBI actually did withdraw themselves from investigating the case entirely and I wonder if we will see FBI agents testify at trial and for which side. There was another agent who penned the RL PCA back in 2017, so I also wonder how long she stayed on the case and continued investigating.

ALL MOO

While the FBI may not be all hands on daily task force, they have been involved since the beginning and still supportive.
Just because they aren't physically in office in Delphi does not remove them from the case.

Agent Robertson works for the FBI’s (very broad) department of “Violent Crimes Against Children”. IIRC, she was from the Chicago area. She is the one that wrote up the docs on RL.

JMO-- They have been very active in assisting and supporting all along.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/indianapolis/news/press-releases/fbi-joins-law-enforcement-partners-to-mark-anniversary-of-delphi-murders

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Yes and it also could have been a bit differently done, if true that Abby's clothes had no blood, that she was killed undressed and RA redressed her. You'd think though he'd have left his DNA if that occured. Maybe he did have something that he doused the bodies with? Just more thoughts.

Libby could have redressed Abby.
I have always held the belief that RA “directed” from the point of abduction.
JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Libby could have redressed Abby.
I have always held the belief that RA “directed” from the point of abduction.
JMO

I totally agree with you 110% on RA directing those poor girls with the gun. It would have been easy to do, they were young and scared. I bet even most of us would have done the same in those circumstances.

I always keep in mind that the information that Abby was redressed in Libby's clothes, which were dry and had no blood on them comes from the Defense's FM. They also said Libby's phone was found under Abby.

Not true according to the PCA, the phone was found under Libby's body. The exploitive and inhumane way they included that step by gruesome step CS section in the Franks memo is the day my disdain began to grow for Rizzo and Baldwin exponentially.

All JMO

EBM: spelling

 

[grannygates]

While the FBI may not be all hands on daily task force, they have been involved since the beginning and still supportive.
Just because they aren't physically in office in Delphi does not remove them from the case.

Agent Robertson works for the FBI’s (very broad) department of “Violent Crimes Against Children”. IIRC, she was from the Chicago area. She is the one that wrote up the docs on RL.

JMO-- They have been very active in assisting and supporting all along.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/indianapolis/news/press-releases/fbi-joins-law-enforcement-partners-to-mark-anniversary-of-delphi-murders

Interesting. I find it curious why JH had such a detailed response in his deposition as to why the FBI got “kicked off the case” if it none it was true and the FBI never got kicked off. I wonder who made up that story ?

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting. I find it curious why JH had such a detailed response in his deposition as to why the FBI got “kicked off the case” if it none it was true and the FBI never got kicked off. I wonder who made up that story ?

The FBI, there were a lot of them in the area before the Delphi murders and I'm sure there continued to be afterwards. There may have been some that were squeezed out of the case for many different reasons. One of those could have involved KAK, who was left out in the community long after he was originally flagged by FBI. With the Delphi murders happening while tentacles of CSAM were being discovered and investigated, secrets were kept. I don't suppose local and state LE appreciated that much and conflicts of personnel happened. That doesn't mean the whole FBI help with forensics, profiling etc ceased. AJMO

 

[grannygates]

So you're saying there's still a chance? (Movie line.)

Good on LE for asking around to see if there were any obvious links to Odinism and then putting that pretty much to bed. Shows due diligence.

JMO

The FBI investigated the “odinists” for years. They produced some of the evidence re:3rd parties that was “lost” destroyed by the UC (the Odin Report).

BH stating he came to Delphi every weekend to attend Asatru (odinism) church services at PWs house and admitting that AW has been to PWs house. That’s a direct connection between victim, 3rd party and odinism.

IMO regardless of their involvement in the murders, we can’t deny that people with direct connections to the victims were very loud and proud odinists. Anyone can do a quick google search and see for themselves.

 

[Ravenmoon]

I would like to know when FBI became uninvolved, and who caused it. MOO - I believe that continuation of FBI involvement would have benefited the case. But, J. Abbott retired in February of 2018. In 2021, when he was meeting with Doug Carter, Daily Mail was writing exposes about the case.
Again, all I am questioning is merely the astuteness of Doug Carter. JMO.

I believe that the FBI was involved from the day that the girls were found.

An FBI agent was focused on RL when the search warrant was issued for his property.

I am not understanding the statement of "who caused it.,".

I tend to lean towards the possibility that crimes against children would bring in an offer of help from the FBI.

AJMO

 

[nadia90]

The FBI investigated the “odinists” for years. They produced some of the evidence re:3rd parties that was “lost” destroyed by the UC (the Odin Report).

BH stating he came to Delphi every weekend to attend Asatru (odinism) church services at PWs house and admitting that AW has been to PWs house. That’s a direct connection between victim, 3rd party and odinism.

IMO regardless of their involvement in the murders, we can’t deny that people with direct connections to the victims were very loud and proud odinists. Anyone can do a quick google search and see for themselves.

Yep along with the paganists there is that .000000000001% chance that odenism is involved with this crime.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Interesting. I find it curious why JH had such a detailed response in his deposition as to why the FBI got “kicked off the case” if it none it was true and the FBI never got kicked off. I wonder who made up that story ?

My recollection is that initially the FBI was actively part of the investigation. They wrote up the search warrant for Ron Logan’s property. They shared information that Libby had contact with a_shots from another investigation they had going, which led to the search at KAK’s house.
After a few months the FBI pulled back from helping investigate but continued to assist with forensics, etc. This seemed pretty much the norm in these type of cases.
I don’t see why this is of interest at all.

 

[grannygates]

My recollection is that initially the FBI was actively part of the investigation. They wrote up the search warrant for Ron Logan’s property. They shared information that Libby had contact with a_shots from another investigation they had going, which led to the search at KAK’s house.
After a few months the FBI pulled back from helping investigate but continued to assist with forensics, etc. This seemed pretty much the norm in these type of cases.
I don’t see why this is of interest at all.

We know the FBI was involved in investigating the 3rd party culprits via the task force with Click who investigated up until Ferency was murdered July 2021 (Odin Report). JH comes up with some story that the FBI was kicked off by DC in 2021 but TL says he didn’t know FBI ever left the case,so where did JHs story come from?

(ETA: I wonder if this story told by JH is the excuse as to why the FBI and their resources weren’t included in the RA investigation.)

 

[Charlot123]

I agree. Even his mouth looks pretty much the same. There’s also a very close resemblance to the full body shot of him from the video on the bridge. I don't think there will be a problem convincing the jury that his physical appearance matches the video and LE posters.

Video - probably.

Their posters...unveiling of YBG, generated a lot of "side to side" comparisons on the Internet and probably a slew of tips. The really valuable ones could have drowned because 1) they didn't fit the psychological portrait that LEO have made; 2) because people manning the tip lines were too tired.

 

[Willow Knight]

Libby could have redressed Abby.
I have always held the belief that RA “directed” from the point of abduction.
JMO

All MOO

To even visualize Richard Allen directing their movements is terrifying. I agree that gun was used from the point of abduction to the final resting area. Not all agree with my opinion, but that's OK, I think the unspent bullet is huge.

The defense wants that search warrant evidence thrown out. I hope prints or DNA can be pulled from the found unspent round. I hope when loading the gun there was some type of evidence left on the unspent round, simply by loading it. Since the bullet was never fired, it could increase the chance of leaving DNA/Prints. Either way, LE believes that unspent round matches Richard Allen's gun.

One can also believe this unspent round while be a topic during jury deliberation. With the Hoosier camera, several witnesses, Richard Allen's vehicle contributing to the timeline of arrival and departing it would be hard to dismiss the round. I can see the prosecutor systematically tracing the path Richard Allen walked by eye witnesses.

Justice for Libby and Abby