Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[ttjo]

(Are ya talkin' about me... or JS being slippery. lol )

J.S. of course!!!! never you.

 

[MollyDDD]

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[Q]She said her biggest fear was her daughter being groomed without her knowing and then taken from her by a male partner she shouldn’t have put her trust and just used her to target and manipulate her daughter, like Mia Farrow alleged Woody Allen did to her to her and her daughter. Yet she said the CSAM SS created of Maddie was not evil. It doesn’t make sense considering the pictures were evidence of the ultimate betrayal. SS did to her daughter the very thing she never wanted. He made her fears and nightmares a reality despite his promise and assurance. Yet she expressed more frustration of Maddie kicking her in her sleep than the fact than she did any anger, hate, rage and heartbreak towards the man who she should have never trusted with the person she loved the most and said she lived for. Her daughter[/Q]

I don't think her fear was her daughter being taken from her by her male partner. I think her fear was her male partner being taken from her by her daughter.

Then her fear was realized.

 

[Inthedetails]

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[Q]She said her biggest fear was her daughter being groomed without her knowing and then taken from her by a male partner she shouldn’t have put her trust and just used her to target and manipulate her daughter, like Mia Farrow alleged Woody Allen did to her to her and her daughter. Yet she said the CSAM SS created of Maddie was not evil. It doesn’t make sense considering the pictures were evidence of the ultimate betrayal. SS did to her daughter the very thing she never wanted. He made her fears and nightmares a reality despite his promise and assurance. Yet she expressed more frustration of Maddie kicking her in her sleep than the fact than she did any anger, hate, rage and heartbreak towards the man who she should have never trusted with the person she loved the most and said she lived for. Her daughter[/Q]

I don't think her fear was her daughter being taken from her by her male partner. I think her fear was her male partner being taken from her by her daughter.

This might be off-base, but it has been nagging at me that JS was worried about a Woody Allen situation.

Woody became involved with Mia Farrow's daughter in the 1990s. JS would've been a kid then, right? Was she really following Woody Allen news when she was young? He was an old guy then, not someone that young people were following in the 90s, imo. And JS is a Disney type, not a Woody Allen movie type, imo.

I'm wondering if JS's MOM knew Woody's story and relayed it to JS out of concern about SS? Just a thought.

Maybe the Woody Allen reference is a clue that people did notice what was happening and talked to JS about it, like the roommate who sent a text.

I don't know what prompted JS's concern about Woody Allen specifically and I have no evidence or fact about it other than hearing JS mention it in an interview. I am speculating, wondering, brainstorming.

jmo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

IMO, she either has a serious mental condition or she’s lying.

Why not both?

 

[Taffy550]

Maybe SS put that in her head as form of manipulation? JS probably googled it. Were they trying to normalize this situation with a Woody Allen out come?

 

[61Montcalm]

Why not both?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Gemmie]

Woody became involved with Mia Farrow's daughter in the 1990s. JS would've been a kid then, right? Was she really following Woody Allen news when she was young? He was an old guy then, not someone that young people were following in the 90s, imo.

SBMFF

I don't think it matters when WA did what he did in relation to JS, because it could have come to her attention anytime after. Like... many years later (decade +) which I think is the case. But it makes me wonder... what happened to her as an adult (or teen, preteen) to even become aware of the WA fact? It was something, IMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

SBMFF

I don't think it matters when WA did what he did in relation to JS, because it could have come to her attention anytime after. Like... many years later (decade +) which I think is the case. But it makes me wonder... what happened to her as an adult (or teen, preteen) to even become aware of the WA fact? It was something, IMO.

I hear ya, but I just find it odd that someone her age (mid-late 30s?) would tune in to what Woody Allen did decades ago. I have no idea, of course.

jmo

 

[sunspun]

This might be off-base, but it has been nagging at me that JS was worried about a Woody Allen situation.

Woody became involved with Mia Farrow's daughter in the 1990s. JS would've been a kid then, right? Was she really following Woody Allen news when she was young? He was an old guy then, not someone that young people were following in the 90s, imo. And JS is a Disney type, not a Woody Allen movie type, imo.

I'm wondering if JS's MOM knew Woody's story and relayed it to JS out of concern about SS? Just a thought.

Maybe the Woody Allen reference is a clue that people did notice what was happening and talked to JS about it, like the roommate who sent a text.

I don't know what prompted JS's concern about Woody Allen specifically and I have no evidence or fact about it other than hearing JS mention it in an interview. I am speculating, wondering, brainstorming.

jmo

Although their affair did start way back in early 90s, Woody Allen and Soon-Yi were back in the news with a vengeance around the time the so-called "Me Too" movement began, like 2015-ish. And there was a lot written about their affair and how it began, etc., because of Mia's daughter Dylan accusing him of abuse and then Ronan Farrow, her brother, couldn't stop talking about it, and he was a known journalist at the time, then there was some major documentary, etc., so really, there was plenty of opportunity for JS to absorb that whole mess and develop her fear of something similar happening with SS and MS.

But for SS to do to her with MS what Woody did to Mia with Soon-Yi, doesn't that imply that JS would've had to know about him grooming her from a young age?

 

[AnyNameIWish]

I hear ya, but I just find it odd that someone her age (mid-late 30s?) would tune in to what Woody Allen did decades ago. I have no idea, of course.

jmo

Echoing what @sunspun said...

There have been documentaries made about Woody Allen recently in light of metoo- reflecting on what happened between SoonYi (who was Mia's adopted daughter) and Woody Allen, middle aged world famous actor/filmmaker- so Jenn would likely have totally been aware of the details if she followed celebrity drama. Jenn spent time in NYC and WA and his work (until most recently) has been considered classics (even I had to sit thru some movies in a college course once) so I'm not surprised she knows all about that grooming relationship between SoonYi and Woody even though back then we didn't have that term AT ALL. Further the accusations by Dylan (a younger sibling of SoonYi) which went completely unheeded by the legal system and WA to this day are sickening and her voice has yet to be heard.

Clearly Jenn saw Maddie as a threat as she was youthful, fit, had a circle of friends & interests... the fact she even said "My biggest fear" was Maddie and SS ending up becoming physically and emotionally involved and the 2 of them leaving Jenn.... WHAT???? Speaks volumes. NO SINGLE PARENT OF A TEEN THINKS THIS.... unless there are warning signs.

(I am responding to your comment about Jenn not knowing about the SoonYi/Woody thing from decades ago.)

 

[Inthedetails]

Echoing what @sunspun said...

There have been documentaries made about Woody Allen recently in light of metoo- reflecting on what happened between SoonYi (who was Mia's adopted daughter) and Woody Allen, middle aged world famous actor/filmmaker- so Jenn would likely have totally been aware of the details if she followed celebrity drama. Jenn spent time in NYC and WA and his work (until most recently) has been considered classics (even I had to sit thru some movies in a college course once) so I'm not surprised she knows all about that grooming relationship even though back then we didn't have that term AT ALL. Further the accusations by Dylan (a younger sibling of SoonYi) which went completely unheeded by the legal system and WA to this day are sickening and her voice has yet to be heard.

Clearly Jenn saw Maddie as a threat as she was youthful, fit, had a circle of friends & interests... the fact she even said "My biggest fear" was Maddie and SS ending up becoming physically and emotionally involved and the 2 of them leaving Jenn.... WHAT???? Speaks volumes. NO SINGLE PARENT OF A TEEN THINKS THIS.... unless there are warning signs.

I don't doubt the warning signs. I just wonder if someone expressed concern to JS (rather than JS herself being concerned). That's all.

jmo

 

[ttjo]

Although their affair did start way back in early 90s, Woody Allen and Soon-Yi were back in the news with a vengeance around the time the so-called "Me Too" movement began, like 2015-ish. And there was a lot written about their affair and how it began, etc., because of Mia's daughter Dylan accusing him of abuse and then Ronan Farrow, her brother, couldn't stop talking about it, and he was a known journalist at the time, then there was some major documentary, etc., so really, there was plenty of opportunity for JS to absorb that whole mess and develop her fear of something similar happening with SS and MS.

But for SS to do to her with MS what Woody did to Mia with Soon-Yi, doesn't that imply that JS would've had to know about him grooming her from a young age?

you just jogged my memory by mentioning Ronan farrow. The Reporting That Led to Harvey Weinstein’s Trial and Conviction
Ronan farrow broke the story, I remember now. So no doubt the W.A. story was revisited. This is probably exactly how Jenn became aware.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I hear ya, but I just find it odd that someone her age (mid-late 30s?) would tune in to what Woody Allen did decades ago. I have no idea, of course.

jmo

Yes @Inthedetails …. and I am forgetting….(and apologies up front…. I can’t watch JS this morning….)

JS had ‘offered’ the Woody Allen scenario to investigators during that interview? Right? And that was when MS was still missing, presumed not alive, and she still hadn’t been found at that point? Is that the correct timing?

If that is so, it IMO makes the timing of that statement by JS all the more ‘suspect’ - as to a realization in this case. MOO

 

[Gemmie]

Although their affair did start way back in early 90s, Woody Allen and Soon-Yi were back in the news with a vengeance around the time the so-called "Me Too" movement began, like 2015-ish. And there was a lot written about their affair and how it began, etc., because of Mia's daughter Dylan accusing him of abuse and then Ronan Farrow, her brother, couldn't stop talking about it, and he was a known journalist at the time, then there was some major documentary, etc., so really, there was plenty of opportunity for JS to absorb that whole mess and develop her fear of something similar happening with SS and MS.

But for SS to do to her with MS what Woody did to Mia with Soon-Yi, doesn't that imply that JS would've had to know about him grooming her from a young age?

The Woody Allen thing really got me to thinking. What if JS told SS about her WA fear? You know, like in a joking (yet serious) way? Some of us have talked about the very likely gaslighting on SS's part. What if this was one of the gaslightling incidents that we've suspected were going on? She brings up her fear and he gaslights her into thinking she was stupid for even thinking it, and all the while he was raping her daughter whenever he had the opportunity to.

 

[Pruddennce]

I wonder if they were not permitted to have any contact?

on the Osceola court documents for the S/A charges, there is a 'no contact with victim(s) ordered' March 6 (doc not available for viewing) and:

March 2, form called "First Commitment Held, Order for Appearance' (uploaded date March 4): written on the form "PD waived appearance, no contact with family member'. (no names). the box checked off: no contact with victim/co-defendant or child under 18 years.

 

[Curious-A]

The Woody Allen thing really got me to thinking. What if JS told SS about her WA fear? You know, like in a joking (yet serious) way? Some of us have talked about the very likely gaslighting on SS's part. What if this was one of the gaslightling incidents that we've suspected were going on? She brings up her fear and he gaslights her into thinking she was stupid for even thinking it, and all the while he was raping her daughter whenever he had the opportunity to.

That’s a possibility. I think that more than one scenario can exist and probably do exist. Imo JS has mental health issues, is not being truthful about not knowing about the SA and pics and videos, she brought up her fear of a WA situation to SS and was convinced by him that he would never do that to her. If he gaslighted JS or just assuaged her fears of leaving JS for MS because of the SA that JS was fully aware of, we may never know. I believe that as long as JS could “medicate” herself and sleep she didn’t care about anything else and most likely facilitated what went with SS and MS. It freed her up and she didn’t have to involve her family members to help out with MS. Medicating and sleeping were her life goals. MS’s existence and needs interfered with those goals and SS supported those goals. Jmo

 

[Megnut]

Her biggest fear was a Woody Allen situation. If you tell a snake you're afraid it'll bite you, it doesn't protect you from him. And worse, iffing snakes could understand, you've give ahead and alerted the snake the exact fear to abuse, confuse, gaslight.

Even so, what I don't hear JS saying what a WA situation would mean for MS! This seems to be the missing link for many of us! The maternal instinct. Protective parenting. Child guarding. Daughter guarding.

And it implies a sourly distasteful pernission of sorts. As long as they don't run away together. And leave me behind.

It's hard to fathom that we're taking about a mother-daughter situation here. In the company of an on again/off again boyfriend (unrelated adult male). It looks like sister wives. Or polyamory. Except on side of the sick love tripod is A CHILD. Age 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. Made to feel like she was charged with holding the "family unit" (such as it was) by cooperating. So wrong, so awful. Forcing a child to shoulder grown up issues.

Has it hit her yet, what MS endured? Or is she forever locked in howitimpactsme?

Hindsight, floodlight, it's horrifying what was happening, hard to fathom how it was allowed...

If only we could rewind, send MS to the safety of living family, leaving JS time to get her good sleep, manage her medicine, not date anyone, housetrain her dog, get her chit together, in order to be a better, more attentive, present mother to MS.

JS would be better off.
The dog would be better off.
MS would be alive. Better off and alive.

Stephan would be... who cares? Somewhere else. Sponging off others, denied access to juveniles by women with better vetting skills.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

I would start out by saying I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry with what I'm about to say. This is totally cow manure that she was so vigilant about her MS's father keeping her safe. Total hypocrisy IMO. I've followed this thread since the beginning and my beliefs are: number one, there is absolutely no possibility that JS did not know about SS abusing MS. Number two: There is no way that she did not orchestrate them being together. It is known that she did not have sex with SS. Then why did she invite him down to be with them if not for setting him up with MS? This Con woman needs to be under the very same charges as SS. IMO she is even more guilty than he is. She gave her daughter over to him for years. This is unforgiveable.

Just a theory: last night I heard the parts of her police interview that I have not heard before. 3 things
1. She stated she called Stephan and invited him for the week. and " we were going to have a great time", Jenn has never spoken of a call between him and Maddi that Saturday, the possible catalyst of it all. Considering the circumstances if madi hadn't told her already, you would think SS might have by now or heard it while lurking in forums like this or the news, even CS should have told her about this event that created a need for tranquilizers. I wonder if she ever asked LE about a phone bill or anything , ( I dont think so)

2. she lost her sex drive way back, she was also jealous about SS sleeping with his Disney fling, she said she wouldn't sleep with him after he had sex with someone else. She needed a nanny, but her nanny ( SS) had a sex drive so how does she get around that while "living life with her eyes closed."

3 too long a list to mention all the things she did after that are sketchy, the " we" statements, insisting she "never made it" after the drop off, implying maddi was absolutely dropped off, like the investigation should start after that point. Presenting that maddi was seen on the church camera as though it was fact. The hopelessness of finding her because they have done everything and Maddi is not trackable as if to say "the show is over people, you can go home now" . Asking to see more evidence after seeing the SA pics, because she is identifying his peen from the items in the pic not by his actual peen. Even then she doubts the items in the picture because " there isnt much space" around the graphic image " now she needs to see maddi's face in the pic, just to have confirmation, in case she will not have the option to look later and it will be a missed opportunity to be able to confirm and she might regret that. Even after seeing maddis face, she still has doubts its SS and asks how do you know that it is SS ? cop says whether its him or not who else would have been in your house with their peen in your daughters mouth?? even then, she needs to think about whether she wants to press charges, and checks to see if she can change her mind later?
At this point MY opinion is she is protective for a reason, so what is it?

Anyways, it's just all so sickening that my list can go on and on and on.
I better stop here and let someone else add their list too.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

IMO, she either has a serious mental condition or she’s lying.

I think it's the latter. It blows my mind that she immediately told Stern's to lawyer up. Again she's more worried about everything but her daughter. It's sickening. No Wanting to go for his jugular. "It's not Evil". I can't abide that. No way. No How.MOO

 

[ttjo]

Even so, what I don't hear JS saying what a WA situation would mean for MS! This seems to be the missing link for many of us! The maternal instinct. Protective parenting. Child guarding. Daughter guarding.

wow such a great point, and how it would impact maddi doesnt even factor in here, if that was a genuine fear, why is she letting her daughter share a bed with her BF.
shes just checking to make sure he knows the rules.
like here you go, have at her, but don't run off with her.