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  1. porkypies

    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    I think the difference is a fall which included obstructions and tumbling on the way down (causing injuries/death)? and a very fast straight fall which caused death at the bottom - as a fall from a precipice, which is an overhanging or vertical and very dangerous type of cliff.
  2. porkypies

    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    As a verb, the act of precipitation. as in falling fast, headlong, from a height.
  3. porkypies

    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    Or people hoping to find a £12,000.00 Rolex?
  4. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

    I think that 'new/clean' teens on holiday, of the right inclination, could be very useful to organised criminals for transporting drugs in their holiday luggage back to the uk. And one method of making these new partners tow the line, is to first get them to commit a crime which can then be used...
  5. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

    I just had a look on google and found a few sites that advise on using cannabis Cafes in Tenerife (cannabis clubs) I think the least requirement would be that any business person would need local permission to operate their stated business in their stated property. Below is from the website of...
  6. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

    If Quassim (and his friend) were/was running a cannabis cafe in the local area, then, assuming that there is some form of legal licensing and checking of such places, they and their backgrounds would be well-known to the local police who turned up at the Masca airbnb looking for Jay, questioned...
  7. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

    I think it's a good point that has been made back in these threads by the search teams, that some areas on this route can only be searched using ropes and climbing equipment, and someone would need to have an idea where to start.
  8. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

    I have a general picture of a youth being shown how, and persuaded, by expert older men, to do something he should not do which involved a lot of money, then the youth turning out to be unreliable and a liability to them, then something happened and the youth disappeared.
  9. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

    and, <modsnip>, quickly befriending a small group of much younger people, then taking just one of them back to the remote mountains an hour's drive away, at 6am at the end of the rave, almost at the point that the rental ended, I think it's fair to say that's questionable, and also seems odd...
  10. porkypies

    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

    And I keep on wondering why Brad and/or other friends did not accompany Lucy and the American lady to the Airbnb that morning?
  11. porkypies

    UK - two women stabbed in Bournemouth. 34 year old dead, 38 year old seriously injured. 20YO arrested. 24 Apr 2024

    Do you think that the victim accidentally fell on the robber's knife - maybe more than once?
  12. porkypies

    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, Guilty on counts 1 & 5, 2025 retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #8

    In my own experience as a question-asker (when I don't understand or need some more detail) I have learned that it's the loud-mouthed controllers who minimise peoples questions and concerns - often because our understanding and knowledge is a threat to their position and hold on a group.
  13. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    I would imagine that to be more like their living environment, I think living arrangements would be about the way they lived, things like: without hot water or heating - unwashed. overcrowded, sleeping all in one room - no privacy. not being properly fed or attended to - neglect. no toys, books...
  14. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    Enough of baby Jesus for me. Bethlehem can and does have snow and CM just forgot to add that he also suffered from hypothermia lying in a straw-filled manger because, as we are all aware, he was the son of God who sent him down here to suffer for all mankind. She also forgot to mention that he...
  15. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    From the Argus coverage to-day. complaint/defence from CM under questioning. "Police will pile up charges and they like to prosecute." So they do! who would have thought.
  16. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    I don't this this will do her any good at all. And SS will want all of their names!
  17. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    CM “I don’t think being in the tent was the wrong thing to do, I think me being exhausted and sitting up at that time was very unfortunate yes.” When questioned “Are you responsible for her death?”, she tearfully responded: “To a degree of course, I feel responsible as her mum for her death but...
  18. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    Very revealing. She is talking from a distance like a textbook. The spoken word would be more like, 'When I realised Victoria had died I panicked"
  19. porkypies

    UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #7

    I think that's an interesting idea. I think he is the one in charge, and using a 'sort of' gaslighting perhaps. So perhaps feeding her own already held suspicions and fears, by making things go wrong and further alienating her from friends and family would be a good idea. I don't think she needs...

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