UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[su5ie]

IMO
It all started with Sara being a step child.

I am aware that there are many happy "patchwork families" all over the world
but
unfortunately, not everyone is fit/suited to be a step parent.
Jealousy and resentment often play part.

This case is almost a carbon copy of Arthur LH (stepmother) and Logan M's (stepfather) ones.
These boys were trapped at home because of Covid.
Here, the child was trapped in the house because of unsupervised "homeschooling".

The children were isolated.

In these cases,
other bio children were treated more or less well.

I think
a parent must be always watchful
when starting a new relationship and bringing children into it.
Must be very careful.

Think of Maddie Soto case, for example.

JMO

And if cultural hierarchy came into it the stepson would have escaped abuse because of his male status .

 

[su5ie]

I think U keeps falling back on what aided him last time a wife accused him of violence and there was a question of whether a child was being cared for properly- accuse the wife, emphasise that he has done things to improve his ability to parent, paint himself as a victim.

He can only be innocent if someone else is guilty and he knew nothing and so he needs to build a picture of someone who genuinely cared about being a good father and worked very hard out of the house a lot to support his family, and failed to protect Sara due to ignorance and being manipulated. I'm as without knowledge as all of us as to who actually committed which acts of abuse and the defendants are all going to keep it that way. U's game plan is apparently: Admit a tiny bit- I slapped her, I didn't protect her from B enough. Cover up the extent of his own violence- I didn't know about any of that, only B can have done it. Present self as good one- I worked hard, I did courses, I was the one to try to save her. Seek sympathy for self- I was also abused and I am a victim too. If B's own defence is vastly different in approach I'd be surprised.

Very insightful post thank you

 

[Charlot123]

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I was looking up whether or not Sara would be able to speak with a fractured hyoid bone .

I'm still unsure as to whether she would have .it does say the hyoid is part of the ability to speak in an article I read on primates and the development of speech in our historical ancestors and in the above article it states there would be difficulties in speaking . Any thoughts ? I've linked a few articles to show how the hyoid bone plays a large part in giving humans the ability of speech .

Urfan mentions Sara spoke to him and asked for water abet he said in a low voice but I wanted to see if she could speak at all

Theoretically, she could speak with fractured hyoid bone, but with pain in hoarseness. Some sounds are formed in the frontal part of the mouth, so she probably could whisper something with her lips. It is of interest that Olga, Urfan's ex-wife, accused Urfan of choking her, too.

 

[Dotta]

Anyone find U's resuscitation story odd? His accounts of it differed in the twice he described it and kept referring to his two CPR courses as if defending his style of assistance. Was it reckless? She already had multiple broken ribs in various stages of healing. Compressions on broken little ribs! Was he deflecting or covering up something there?

Strangely enough,
I find CPR attempts believable.

Also,
that B told him to put Sara on the floor as CPR must be done on hard surface,
not in soft bed.

IMO
they were terrified.
I don't think they actually wanted her dead.

I doubt they wanted to leave their cosy lives in the UK
and become fugitives in another part of the world.

JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

So,
Why didn't this CAFCAS
intervene when Sara was being methodically murdered in "father's" household?

Seen with bruises at school.
Removed from school.

That is the question I ask myself

That is the real
"fly in the ointment" for me.
(Quoting OP)

JMO

CAFCAS is only involved during child care proceedings during custody disputes.

SS were alerted to the bruises, it is they who closed her case file - they are the biggest fly in this ointment.

 

[porkypies]

According to Islamic death rituals "washers" are adult relatives of the same gender; thus, U. had no right to wash the body of his dead daughter. I guess, he wanted to wash away possible biological (DNA) traces from Sara's body. JMOO

There is no suggestion that Urfan is Muslim or a follower of Islamic death rituals, and he is being judged in a Uk court of law, not by Islamic "rights".

 

[Dotta]

I'm not sure this trial will finish before Christmas.

(It is supposed to finish till 13 December)

I guess
U's cross-e. will be lengthy.
I can see B's Defence KC in full swing and ballistic.
Not to mention Prosecutors.

And then,
B taking the stand and cross-e. again.
(Well, that is my guess, of course)

I'm not sure about an uncle.
He seems to be invisible so far.

Closing speeches will also take time with 3 defendants and 3 KC Barristers.
And Prosecution.

Then Judge will summarize everything AGAIN.

JMO

 

[Skigh]

There is no suggestion that Urfan is Muslim or a follower of Islamic death rituals, and he is being judged in a Uk court of law, not by Islamic "rights".

He said he did bathe her as a Muslim ritual. Quote from Guildford Dragon linked previously


He said he then took Sara to the bathroom so he could clean her in line with Muslim customs. He asked Batool about marks to Sara’s neck but Batool would not let him remove Sara’s top. Instead, Sharif washed Sara’s hair and face then took her to the bedroom wrapped in a towel.

 

[Moll]

He said he did bathe her as a Muslim ritual. Quote from Guildford Dragon linked previously


He said he then took Sara to the bathroom so he could clean her in line with Muslim customs. He asked Batool about marks to Sara’s neck but Batool would not let him remove Sara’s top. Instead, Sharif washed Sara’s hair and face then took her to the bedroom wrapped in a towel.

Yes - I think it would be all right for a male to wash a small female child's body in unusual circumstances, though not past puberty. What his motivation was for washing Sara's body is relevant to the case. But with other evidence of them invoking religious practices (her clothing, mainly) to cover abuse it's hard to know what to believe here.

 

[Skigh]

Yes - I think it would be all right for a male to wash a small female child's body in unusual circumstances, though not past puberty. What his motivation was for washing Sara's body is relevant to the case. But with other evidence of them invoking religious practices (her clothing, mainly) to cover abuse it's hard to know what to believe here.

It is difficult to know what to believe as he has told so many lies and his story of Sara's last moments cannot be as he has stated due to her injuries.. He did in his note ask for her to be buried as a Muslim. I think that even if they are not fully practising their religion ,in death rituals do become important and would be observed.

 

[Dotta]

They also observed halal food as Olga said
in one MSM reports sent to these threads (by me).

ETA
Found it:

"Olga Sharif said her ​

ex-husband expected her daughter to follow his religious practices after she moved into his Woking home.​

She claimed the children would only eat "certain things",
with the household limited to halal foods as the dad said he would raise the children following Islam."

Mother of Sara Sharif says her daughter's 'behaviour changed' after move to Woking | UK | News | Express.co.uk

www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Sjöberg]

What would he need to "wash" off her exactly. Could be a damning detail if true.

Washing the dead is a common practice all over the world, done for both practical and spiritual reasons.

As per chatGTP: Washing of the Dead: Regions, Spiritual and Practical Reasons
The washing of the dead, or ritual washing of the body after death, is a practice that is common in various cultures and religions around the world. It holds both spiritual and practical significance, and its meaning can vary depending on cultural and religious beliefs. Below are some regions where the washing of the dead is practiced, as well as the spiritual and practical reasons behind this tradition.
1. Islam – Common in: Middle East, North Africa, Southeast Asia
The washing of the dead is an important part of the funeral rites. The body is washed (known as ghusl) as part of a ritual purification to ensure the deceased’s spiritual cleanliness and prepare the soul for the final meeting with God. Typically, a family member or a member of the community, who follows strict religious guidelines, performs the washing. It helps cleanse the deceased of their sins and prepares the body for burial.
2. Judaism – Common in: Middle East, Europe, North America
In Jewish funeral customs, washing the dead is a regular practice, and it carries significant spiritual meaning. The washing is part of the tahara process, a ritual purification to cleanse the body and prepare it for burial. It is done to show respect for the deceased and is an act of honoring the body, which is seen as a vessel that housed the soul during life. This purification symbolizes the transition of the soul from this life to the next.
3. Hinduism – Common in: South Asia, especially India
In Hinduism, washing the body after death is an important ritual aimed at helping the soul separate from the physical body and embark on its next journey, whether through reincarnation or liberation (moksha). The washing is done with sacred water, often from a holy river like the Ganges, to purify the body and prepare it for the cremation or burial process. The ritual signifies the end of the physical life and the purification of the soul.

4. Christian Traditions – Common in: Europe, North America, Latin America​

Historically, it was an important part of the funeral rites in many Christian denominations. While less common in contemporary Christian practices, washing the dead is still found in some areas, especially in Orthodox Christian communities. The washing is seen as an act of respect for the body, which is considered a temple of the Holy Spirit. It may also be done to spiritually prepare the deceased for the afterlife, through prayers or rituals performed during the washing.

5. Buddhism – Common in: Southeast Asia, Tibet, Japan​

In Buddhist traditions, washing the dead can also be part of the rites performed after death, helping the soul prepare for the transition to the next phase of existence. Depending on the region, the washing is sometimes done with special prayers, incense, and ritual items to ensure the smooth transition of the soul. In Tibet and other Buddhist countries, these practices can also be connected to the belief in karma and the process of reincarnation.

6. Practical reasons
The washing of the body is also part of the cultural customs surrounding death. It helps prevent the spread of disease and decomposition, which can be accelerated by environmental factors in some regions. Washing also maintains the dignity of the deceased and ensures proper respect is shown. In hot climates, the body can decompose quickly after death, and washing helps to reduce the speed of decomposition. It also prevents unpleasant odors and is part of maintaining hygiene, especially in places where the deceased might be exposed to environmental elements before the final rites are conducted.

Conclusion:​

The washing of the dead is a widespread practice across many cultures and religions. It has both spiritual and practical significance. Spiritually, it prepares the body and soul for the transition to the afterlife, whether that means reincarnation, liberation, or reunion with God. Practically, it helps slow down decomposition, manage the body’s natural processes after death, and ensure hygienic and respectful preparation for burial or cremation.

 

[Dotta]

Always blaming others!

"Giving evidence for the fourth day, Sharif said it was “cowardly, selfish and inhumane,” to abandon Sara like an “orphan” but that
Batool had convinced him to flee to Pakistan.

He said
she dictated some of the words he wrote in the “confession” after he agreed to take the blame for Sara’s death to protect his family.
He told jurors:
'I would do anything for my family'.
He told jurors he did not call emergency services himself
because Batool 'snatched' the phone from him
and told him he should protect the family.

(Something new)

Sharif said he turned on the fan in Sara’s bedroom before leaving for Heathrow airport on 9 August, telling jurors:

'I was still not ready to accept my daughter was dead.

She was the first girl born in my family in 30 years'."

Father of Sara Sharif tells court of his daughter’s final moments

Taxi driver among three on trial over death of 10-year-old says she briefly opened her eyes and asked for water before dying in his arms

www.theguardian.com

 

[FlamingLily]

Always blaming others!

"Giving evidence for the fourth day, Sharif said it was “cowardly, selfish and inhumane,” to abandon Sara like an “orphan” but that
Batool had convinced him to flee to Pakistan.

He said
she dictated some of the words he wrote in the “confession” after he agreed to take the blame for Sara’s death to protect his family.
He told jurors:
'I would do anything for my family'.
He told jurors he did not call emergency services himself
because Batool 'snatched' the phone from him
and told him he should protect the family.

(Something new)

Sharif said he turned on the fan in Sara’s bedroom before leaving for Heathrow airport on 9 August, telling jurors:

'I was still not ready to accept my daughter was dead.

She was the first girl born in my family in 30 years'."

Father of Sara Sharif tells court of his daughter’s final moments

Taxi driver among three on trial over death of 10-year-old says she briefly opened her eyes and asked for water before dying in his arms

www.theguardian.com

I imagine the fan would be to keep the corpse cool. There's no way they wasted electricity keeping that poor girl comfortable when she was alive.

 

[FlamingLily]

Always blaming others!

"Giving evidence for the fourth day, Sharif said it was “cowardly, selfish and inhumane,” to abandon Sara like an “orphan” but that
Batool had convinced him to flee to Pakistan.

He said
she dictated some of the words he wrote in the “confession” after he agreed to take the blame for Sara’s death to protect his family.
He told jurors:
'I would do anything for my family'.
He told jurors he did not call emergency services himself
because Batool 'snatched' the phone from him
and told him he should protect the family.

(Something new)

Sharif said he turned on the fan in Sara’s bedroom before leaving for Heathrow airport on 9 August, telling jurors:

'I was still not ready to accept my daughter was dead.

She was the first girl born in my family in 30 years'."

Father of Sara Sharif tells court of his daughter’s final moments

Taxi driver among three on trial over death of 10-year-old says she briefly opened her eyes and asked for water before dying in his arms

www.theguardian.com

Abusers feigning sorrow after murder. Ugh Who remembers Logan Mwangi's mother, Angharad Williamson, joking that she would miss punishing him soon after he died. Pure evil.

 

[Dotta]

U's victimology language:

- made me (to slap)
- persuaded me (to flee)
- snatched from me (a phone)
- dictated to me (a note)
- lied to me
- made my life hell
- attacked me
- kicked me
- forced me (to jump out of the window)
- accused me (of flirting)
- hit me (with wooden object)
- twisted my hands

JMO

 

[Alyce]

I'm not sure this trial will finish before Christmas.

(It is supposed to finish till 13 December)

I guess
U's cross-e. will be lengthy.
I can see B's Defence KC in full swing and ballistic.
Not to mention Prosecutors.

And then,
B taking the stand and cross-e. again.
(Well, that is my guess, of course)

I'm not sure about an uncle.
He seems to be invisible so far.

Closing speeches will also take time with 3 defendants and 3 KC Barristers.
And Prosecution.

Then Judge will summarize everything AGAIN.

JMO

I'm a bit more optimistic.

I think Defence will be finished by end of this week or early next week at the latest. That is based on my assumption that BB and FM will not be testifying, so their KCs' input will be relatively short.

Then, allowing a half day each for Judge's guidance remarks, 4 Closing speeches and Judge's final summing up - another 3 days.

Potentially by November 22 they could be at a stage to send the Jury out.

That's all based on full days in court ( which does seem to have happened so far ).

and all completely MOO of course

 

[Dotta]

I'm a bit more optimistic.

I think Defence will be finished by end of this week or early next week at the latest. That is based on my assumption that BB and FM will not be testifying, so their KCs' input will be relatively short.

Then, allowing a half day each for Judge's guidance remarks, 4 Closing speeches and Judge's final summing up - another 3 days.

Potentially by November 22 they could be at a stage to send the Jury out.

That's all based on full days in court ( which does seem to have happened so far ).

and all completely MOO of course

If B doesn't take the stand
I will eat my....ummm....
NOT hat
but...erm ....whole chocolate cake!

B is seething IMO.
(With steam coming out of her ears)
She can really surprise the Court!

JMO as always

 

[Moll]

Why do you think BB won't testify, Alyce?

 

[FlamingLily]

If B doesn't take the stand
I will eat my....ummm....
NOT hat
but...erm ....whole chocolate cake!

B is seething IMO.
(With steam coming out of her ears)
She can really surprise the Court!

JMO as always

Points his clammy finger at her: "That psycho sitting over there."
She must be livid.
I hope she hits it out the park!