UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[su5ie]

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[su5ie]

I hope the prosecution questions urfan more on this . What evidence was he trying to hide that would show up on ring doorbell footage ???

 

[Tortoise]

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I hope the prosecution questions urfan more on this . What evidence was he trying to hide that would show up on ring doorbell footage ???

I agree, unless he means his initial story which he now claims was a lie.

Looking forward to cross-exam.

 

[su5ie]

Your Hyoid Bone’s Connected To Your… Wait, What?!

Your hyoid bone is the only “floating” bone in your body, connected to other structures by ligaments and muscles. Find out why it’s so important.

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Neanderthals could speak like modern humans, study suggests

An analysis of a Neanderthal's hyoid bone - a horseshoe shaped bone in the neck - suggests the species could speak in much the same way as modern humans do.

www.bbc.com

A bone to speak and to swallow

Only one out of the more than 200 bones in our bodies is free-floating, with no local attachment to other bones, but it’s no freeloader. The hyoid bone is located in the front of the neck, just below the lower jaw, carrying the weight of the tongue and playing a vital role in speech and swallowing.

www.waisman.wisc.edu

Sciencespeak: Hyoid

Some of our bones are easy to see. The zygomatic bones that give our cheeks shape, the delicate phalanges of our fingers, and the bony bulbs that are our kneecaps all stand out from beneath the flesh. But the hyoid bone is hidden. Even if you’re looking at a study skeleton in a museum or […]

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I was looking up whether or not Sara would be able to speak with a fractured hyoid bone .

I'm still unsure as to whether she would have .it does say the hyoid is part of the ability to speak in an article I read on primates and the development of speech in our historical ancestors and in the above article it states there would be difficulties in speaking . Any thoughts ? I've linked a few articles to show how the hyoid bone plays a large part in giving humans the ability of speech .

Urfan mentions Sara spoke to him and asked for water abet he said in a low voice but I wanted to see if she could speak at all

 

[Yellowbelly]

Broken Shoulder Basics

This is just one of Sara's injuries if you scroll right to end it will show this injury can be caused by the impact of a baseball bat or hammer used with great force . It also states there would be multiple secondary injuries caused by the break . The body would look deformed and the person would not be able to move the arms and the pain would be extreme . Don't think there would be any hiding of that from anyone who came into contact with Sara

I was just thinking about the broken shoulder blades and whether Sara would be able to move her arms as a result. No matter what yarn Urfan might have decided to spin from the witness box, the pathology gives the lie to it. His story seems to be the Sara was fine when he went to work, but when he got home she was dead. The nature of Sara's injuries shows that to be utter nonsense, as I'm sure the prosecution will point out next week.

 

[Moll]

Your Hyoid Bone’s Connected To Your… Wait, What?!

Your hyoid bone is the only “floating” bone in your body, connected to other structures by ligaments and muscles. Find out why it’s so important.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Neanderthals could speak like modern humans, study suggests

An analysis of a Neanderthal's hyoid bone - a horseshoe shaped bone in the neck - suggests the species could speak in much the same way as modern humans do.

www.bbc.com

A bone to speak and to swallow

Only one out of the more than 200 bones in our bodies is free-floating, with no local attachment to other bones, but it’s no freeloader. The hyoid bone is located in the front of the neck, just below the lower jaw, carrying the weight of the tongue and playing a vital role in speech and swallowing.

www.waisman.wisc.edu

Sciencespeak: Hyoid

Some of our bones are easy to see. The zygomatic bones that give our cheeks shape, the delicate phalanges of our fingers, and the bony bulbs that are our kneecaps all stand out from beneath the flesh. But the hyoid bone is hidden. Even if you’re looking at a study skeleton in a museum or […]

www.nationalgeographic.com

I was looking up whether or not Sara would be able to speak with a fractured hyoid bone .

I'm still unsure as to whether she would have .it does say the hyoid is part of the ability to speak in an article I read on primates and the development of speech in our historical ancestors and in the above article it states there would be difficulties in speaking . Any thoughts ? I've linked a few articles to show how the hyoid bone plays a large part in giving humans the ability of speech .

Urfan mentions Sara spoke to him and asked for water abet he said in a low voice but I wanted to see if she could speak at all

I don't know, but the bone specialist who gave evidence said that injury happened 6-12 weeks before Sara's death, so as with other injuries, she would have been suffering any effects for a long time.

'On Thursday, bone specialist Professor Anthony Freemont showed the court a number of X-ray images of her injuries, including fractures in her left hand and one in the u-shaped hyoid bone in her neck.

He told the court that according to his analysis and the stage of healing around the bone, the injury to her upper throat had likely occured between six to 12 weeks before her death.

He concluded that it had likely been caused “within the setting of neck compression” of which “the most common cause of these types of fractures is manual strangulation”.'

Sara Sharif ‘suffered broken bone in her neck weeks before death’

Jurors were told that the fracture of the hyoid bone in her neck was likely to have occurred between six to 12 weeks before she was died

www.independent.co.uk

 

[FlamingLily]

Your Hyoid Bone’s Connected To Your… Wait, What?!

Your hyoid bone is the only “floating” bone in your body, connected to other structures by ligaments and muscles. Find out why it’s so important.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Neanderthals could speak like modern humans, study suggests

An analysis of a Neanderthal's hyoid bone - a horseshoe shaped bone in the neck - suggests the species could speak in much the same way as modern humans do.

www.bbc.com

A bone to speak and to swallow

Only one out of the more than 200 bones in our bodies is free-floating, with no local attachment to other bones, but it’s no freeloader. The hyoid bone is located in the front of the neck, just below the lower jaw, carrying the weight of the tongue and playing a vital role in speech and swallowing.

www.waisman.wisc.edu

Sciencespeak: Hyoid

Some of our bones are easy to see. The zygomatic bones that give our cheeks shape, the delicate phalanges of our fingers, and the bony bulbs that are our kneecaps all stand out from beneath the flesh. But the hyoid bone is hidden. Even if you’re looking at a study skeleton in a museum or […]

www.nationalgeographic.com

I was looking up whether or not Sara would be able to speak with a fractured hyoid bone .

I'm still unsure as to whether she would have .it does say the hyoid is part of the ability to speak in an article I read on primates and the development of speech in our historical ancestors and in the above article it states there would be difficulties in speaking . Any thoughts ? I've linked a few articles to show how the hyoid bone plays a large part in giving humans the ability of speech .

Urfan mentions Sara spoke to him and asked for water abet he said in a low voice but I wanted to see if she could speak at all

I'm not convinced she could even whisper. And why would she want water if it was excruciating to swallow? If anything she'd use her last words be begging for help or mercy. It sounds to me like Urfan is trying to make Sara sound more capable, more alive, than she was. Because the more unconscious she was (she'd be fainting in agony from her fractures and in shock from the gash - head wounds bleed profusely) the more damning it is for them. They don't want us to know that they watched her die without doing anything. MOO

 

[Yellowbelly]

I don't know, but the bone specialist who gave evidence said that injury happened 6-12 weeks before Sara's death, so as with other injuries, she would have been suffering any effects for a long time.

'On Thursday, bone specialist Professor Anthony Freemont showed the court a number of X-ray images of her injuries, including fractures in her left hand and one in the u-shaped hyoid bone in her neck.

He told the court that according to his analysis and the stage of healing around the bone, the injury to her upper throat had likely occured between six to 12 weeks before her death.

He concluded that it had likely been caused “within the setting of neck compression” of which “the most common cause of these types of fractures is manual strangulation”.'

Sara Sharif ‘suffered broken bone in her neck weeks before death’

Jurors were told that the fracture of the hyoid bone in her neck was likely to have occurred between six to 12 weeks before she was died

www.independent.co.uk

Hence the signs of starvation if she couldn't swallow properly for at least six weeks before her death. Urfan's suggestion that Sara was in the kitchen washing up a couple of hours before she died and Batool's video showing Sara happily dancing a couple of days before her death can't possibly be true.

 

[FlamingLily]

I don't know, but the bone specialist who gave evidence said that injury happened 6-12 weeks before Sara's death, so as with other injuries, she would have been suffering any effects for a long time.

'On Thursday, bone specialist Professor Anthony Freemont showed the court a number of X-ray images of her injuries, including fractures in her left hand and one in the u-shaped hyoid bone in her neck.

He told the court that according to his analysis and the stage of healing around the bone, the injury to her upper throat had likely occured between six to 12 weeks before her death.

He concluded that it had likely been caused “within the setting of neck compression” of which “the most common cause of these types of fractures is manual strangulation”.'

Sara Sharif ‘suffered broken bone in her neck weeks before death’

Jurors were told that the fracture of the hyoid bone in her neck was likely to have occurred between six to 12 weeks before she was died

www.independent.co.uk

I feel sickened that a "fresh gash" of significant force was inflicted on an incapacitated child's head. What was enraging them? Her laboured breathing? Her soiled nappy (many abuse cases seem to include rage over children's bowel movements) ? It makes less and less sense the longer you think about it.

 

[su5ie]

I don't know, but the bone specialist who gave evidence said that injury happened 6-12 weeks before Sara's death, so as with other injuries, she would have been suffering any effects for a long time.

'On Thursday, bone specialist Professor Anthony Freemont showed the court a number of X-ray images of her injuries, including fractures in her left hand and one in the u-shaped hyoid bone in her neck.

He told the court that according to his analysis and the stage of healing around the bone, the injury to her upper throat had likely occured between six to 12 weeks before her death.

He concluded that it had likely been caused “within the setting of neck compression” of which “the most common cause of these types of fractures is manual strangulation”.'

Sara Sharif ‘suffered broken bone in her neck weeks before death’

Jurors were told that the fracture of the hyoid bone in her neck was likely to have occurred between six to 12 weeks before she was died

www.independent.co.uk

This is exactly why I looked it up Sara would have had great difficulty speaking and movement of tongue would have caused a lot of pain so even if urfan only greeted Sara with a hello or a good night she would have at the very least sounded raspy and presented with symptoms similar to severe laryngitis and surely any caring and loving father like the one he is portraying would have brought Sara to a gp for an antibiotic seen as he is saying he was unaware of any of Sara's injuries or abuses . They paid a visit to a gp prior to going to Pakistan so I'm assuming they had a family doctor .

I wonder have the police investigated pharmacy's on the route of urfans journeys in his taxi work and probed if large amounts of medical supplies were bought such as bandages or pain relief or burn treatment as it would incriminate urfan knowing about previous injuries. They were able to give evidence of batool buying tape ? Didn't she purchase the tape in two places amazon and another shop .or was it all purchased on amazon ?

 

[FlamingLily]

Hence the signs of starvation if she couldn't swallow properly for at least six weeks before her death. Urfan's suggestion that Sara was in the kitchen washing up a couple of hours before she died and Batool's video showing Sara happily dancing a couple of days before her death can't possibly be true.

Exactly. Her map of serious injuries is the worst the one expert had ever seen. And he will have seen thousands of horrendous cases. Infact if she could walk or move she wouldn't have needed nappies. One expert said her leg burns were exacerbated by her waste stinging and infecting them. Which means she was in nappies for weeks My heart is broken

Hence the signs of starvation if she couldn't swallow properly for at least six weeks before her death. Urfan's suggestion that Sara was in the kitchen washing up a couple of hours before she died and Batool's video showing Sara happily dancing a couple of days before her death can't possibly be true.

 

[su5ie]

Hence the signs of starvation if she couldn't swallow properly for at least six weeks before her death. Urfan's suggestion that Sara was in the kitchen washing up a couple of hours before she died and Batool's video showing Sara happily dancing a couple of days before her death can't possibly be true.

By trying to portray the perfect loving father he is actually incriminating himself more . He is not the sharpest tool in the box is he ?

Urfan states he was working long hours daily I recall but could be wrong 14 hour days I wonder was malik doing some of the hours ? As in the country I live it's known that sometimes brothers would do shifts in the taxi but under the one licence

 

[su5ie]

Exactly. Her map of serious injuries is the worst the one expert had ever seen. And he will have seen thousands of horrendous cases. Infact if she could walk or move she wouldn't have needed nappies. One expert said her leg burns were exacerbated by her waste stinging and infecting them. Which means she was in nappies for weeks My heart is broken

Exactly did dotting dad not question why his 10 year old daughter was wearing nappies. And if Sara required a nappy she was obviously incapacitated enough to not use a toliet independently. Hardly dancing around and doing dishes

As you state the pain of soiling on the burns would have been excruciating as any women who has had a natural birth will attest to .the pain of urine hitting a vaginal tear or scratch Will have you jumping off the toliet seat in pain . Doctors will often recommend peeing in a shallow filled bath to dilute the urine and minimise pain .

God the individual injuries Sara suffered are bad enough thinking about as stand alone ones let alone many injuries grouped together. It be akin to us being involved in a serious car crash with no medical help .just awful

 

[FlamingLily]

By trying to portray the perfect loving father he is actually incriminating himself more . He is not the sharpest tool in the box is he ?

Urfan states he was working long hours daily I recall but could be wrong 14 hour days I wonder was malik doing some of the hours ? As in the country I live it's known that sometimes brothers would do shifts in the taxi but under the one licence

Also, it emerged in testimony that he was based at home and responded to calls or watsapps from clients sporadically. Which is why I thought it was ridiculous that he described Beinash as "shocked" to see him at home when he caught her in the act of having bound Sarah's hands in tape. Surely she was used to U coming and going?

 

[FlamingLily]

Exactly did dotting dad not question why his 10 year old daughter was wearing nappies. And if Sara required a nappy she was obviously incapacitated enough to not use a toliet independently.

Anyone find U's resuscitation story odd? His accounts of it differed in the twice he described it and kept referring to his two CPR courses as if defending his style of assistance. Was it reckless? She already had multiple broken ribs in various stages of healing. Compressions on broken little ribs! Was he deflecting or covering up something there?

 

[Moll]

Anyone find U's resuscitation story odd? His accounts of it differed in the twice he described it and kept referring to his two CPR courses as if defending his style of assistance. Was it reckless? She already had multiple broken ribs in various stages of healing. Compressions on broken little ribs! Was he deflecting or covering up something there?

I just didn't believe it.

 

[su5ie]

Anyone find U's resuscitation story odd? His accounts of it differed in the twice he described it and kept referring to his two CPR courses as if defending his style of assistance. Was it reckless? She already had multiple broken ribs in various stages of healing. Compressions on broken little ribs! Was he deflecting or covering up something there?

Narcissistic people like to brag and by urfan stating I did TWO cpr courses he is trying to sound superior. One would normally state I learned cpr so I knew what to do no need to say how many times .
Some people do safeguarding and cpr courses yearly as part of their job but if asked did they do a course in those they would just replied yes they would not reem off how many times

Urfan is also trying to get across he knows what he's doing so tried his utmost to save Sara but his need to sound brilliant comes through in the statement

 

[Dotta]

IMO
It all started with Sara being a step child.

I am aware that there are many happy "patchwork families" all over the world
but
unfortunately, not everyone is fit/suited to be a step parent.
Jealousy and resentment often play part.

This case is almost a carbon copy of Arthur LH (stepmother) and Logan M's (stepfather) ones.
These boys were trapped at home because of Covid.
Here, the child was trapped in the house because of unsupervised "homeschooling".

The children were isolated.

In these cases,
other bio children were treated more or less well.

I think
a parent must be always watchful
when starting a new relationship and bringing children into it.
Must be very careful.

Think of Maddie Soto case, for example.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

Another thought that crossed my mind regarding this post is how clear urfan was thinking

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I hope the prosecution questions urfan more on this . What evidence was he trying to hide that would show up on ring doorbell footage ???

 

[irnbru]

I think U keeps falling back on what aided him last time a wife accused him of violence and there was a question of whether a child was being cared for properly- accuse the wife, emphasise that he has done things to improve his ability to parent, paint himself as a victim.

He can only be innocent if someone else is guilty and he knew nothing and so he needs to build a picture of someone who genuinely cared about being a good father and worked very hard out of the house a lot to support his family, and failed to protect Sara due to ignorance and being manipulated. I'm as without knowledge as all of us as to who actually committed which acts of abuse and the defendants are all going to keep it that way. U's game plan is apparently: Admit a tiny bit- I slapped her, I didn't protect her from B enough. Cover up the extent of his own violence- I didn't know about any of that, only B can have done it. Present self as good one- I worked hard, I did courses, I was the one to try to save her. Seek sympathy for self- I was also abused and I am a victim too. If B's own defence is vastly different in approach I'd be surprised.