UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

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  • #921
From G Dragon
Only fragments


Friday, November 8

Urfan Sharif gave the final part of his evidence today under further questioning from his barrister, Naeem Mian KC.
Sharif told the jury it was Batool’s idea to go to Pakistan as a family
to sort out schooling arrangements for their children.

Sharif had booked a one-way ticket as they did not know how long this would take.

After the flights were booked, Sharif and Batool discussed who should take the blame for Sara’s death to protect the child Batool said had injured Sara.

Batool researched the difference between murder and manslaughter and told Batool he should take the blame
as he would only get 3-5 years in prison,
of which he would serve half.
:rolleyes:

Sharif told the court he wrote the note left with Sara but though the writing was his,
the words were from Batool.

Sharif described the point at which they left Sara,
during which he, Batool and Malik hugged and kissed Sara.
Batool apologised to Sara multiple times and cried.

He did not tell his other children what had happened to Sara.

Prior to leaving the house, Sharif told the court he removed the Ring doorbell
so there was no evidence to contradict his story.

The court heard how
the video recorded for Sky was Batool’s idea,
after being contacted directly by two journalists.

The video was filmed by one of Sharif’s sisters and Batool wrote the script.

Sharif was asked why he had changed his mind following the confessions he first made to police.

He said that he had
become suspicious of Batool
while in Pakistan
and once he learnt the extent of Sara’s injuries,
he felt sure
one of his children was not capable of causing these.
He did not confess to Sara’s murder because:
“neither me nor (my child) was responsible”
and when pressed, he said Batool was responsible.


The trial continues on Monday (November 11) at 2pm when

Urfan Sharif’s cross-examination will begin.

 
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The reason I worded my post as" alluding to " is because urfan doesn't out right accuse a child he states bienash told him a child did this to Sara so he states he (urfan) fled to Pakistan so the child would not go to prison which I concluded from that statement that urfan Believed his son did it which is an underhanded way of accusing his son imo
I don't agree that Sharif accused his son. He was led to believe his son may have been responsible. I don't see this as any kind of accusation. He could have easily tried to implicate or blame his son...and he hasn't. Batool did though.
 
  • #923
As reported by Guildford Dragon News and others, In November 2022, Urfan left his children, the uk and Batool, and travelled on a one-way-ticket to Pakistan with "no intention of coming back" as a result of her abuse of himself-and which he had filmed as far back as 2016.
Thus the sole breadwinner left his job and his six children-two of whom were not Batool's children, in the care of Batool who he now describes, in various reports, his "very very crazy wife", "the true villain", "evil" and "that psycho sitting there."
And this in his own defence?
I would have thought that this would constitute a further offence?
 
  • #924
So how did Sara end up in a first floor bedroom on BBs lap ?



He said on entering he asked where Sara was as he couldn't find her and a child at the house pointed to a bedroom upstairs.
'I went in the room and I saw Sara on Beinash's lap next to the cot in the corner,' Sharif said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pmother-docks-video-dancing-murder-trial.html

'I asked Beinash what happened. She said that Sara and [another child] were running after each other,
Sara went downstairs, [another child] went after her she fell on the stairs she's being dramatic and
she's not getting up.
 
  • #925
The Crown Court at Central Criminal Court


Daily Courtroom List for Monday 11 November 2024


FINAL 1



Court 5 - sitting at 10:00 am




The Honourable Mr Justice Cavanagh







For Trial

CP Case****** *****45WK1011823***
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Direction under Section 45A of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999, DTA, INTERPRETER REQUIRED, PART HEARD





www.courtserve.net
 
  • #926
As above, Court is sitting at 10am on Monday.
Possibly admin matters in the morning ( without the Jury ) if the media are correct regarding their 2pm start time.
 
  • #927
From G Dragon
Only fragments


Friday, November 8

Urfan Sharif gave the final part of his evidence today under further questioning from his barrister, Naeem Mian KC.
Sharif told the jury it was Batool’s idea to go to Pakistan as a family

to sort out schooling arrangements for their children.

Sharif had booked a one-way ticket as they did not know how long this would take.

After the flights were booked, Sharif and Batool discussed who should take the blame for Sara’s death to protect the child Batool said had injured Sara.

Batool researched the difference between murder and manslaughter and told Batool he should take the blame
as he would only get 3-5 years in prison,
of which he would serve half.
:rolleyes:

Sharif told the court he wrote the note left with Sara but though the writing was his,
the words were from Batool.

Sharif described the point at which they left Sara,
during which he, Batool and Malik hugged and kissed Sara.
Batool apologised to Sara multiple times and cried.

He did not tell his other children what had happened to Sara.

Prior to leaving the house, Sharif told the court he removed the Ring doorbell
so there was no evidence to contradict his story.

The court heard how
the video recorded for Sky was Batool’s idea,
after being contacted directly by two journalists.

The video was filmed by one of Sharif’s sisters and Batool wrote the script.

Sharif was asked why he had changed his mind following the confessions he first made to police.

He said that he had
become suspicious of Batool
while in Pakistan
and once he learnt the extent of Sara’s injuries,
he felt sure
one of his children was not capable of causing these.
He did not confess to Sara’s murder because:
“neither me nor (my child) was responsible”
and when pressed, he said Batool was responsible.


The trial continues on Monday (November 11) at 2pm when

Urfan Sharif’s cross-examination will begin.

Eh no evidence to contradict his story !!! This man is certainly not intelligent is he Dotta
 
  • #928
I don't agree that Sharif accused his son. He was led to believe his son may have been responsible. I don't see this as any kind of accusation. He could have easily tried to implicate or blame his son...and he hasn't. Batool did though.
Let me explain my post clearly . I said alluded to . I didn't say urfan out right accused . Urfan alleges bienash told him a child chased Sara on the stairs and Sara fell he states bienash says the child will go to prison. They also told family in Pakistan a similar story .Urfan believes one of the children is responsible and capable of Sara's death and flees to Pakistan to save the child . He then conveniently changed his mind and now believes batool is guilty but she and urfan are pleading not guilty so if the jury believes both of there defences of not guilty ( we have not heard bienash's yet AFAiK but what if she also blames the son ) my understanding is by urfan introducing his son / child as a possible culprit into the narrative he is in a round about way allowing for accusation to be insinuated . That is all I meant . By inserting his child into the story he introduced it to the court room not bienash .

why not say Sara fell down the stairs by tripping or they don't know how she fell down she was just found at bottom I will tell you why because urfan was well aware of Sara's previous injuries and was trying to hid the true cause by saying she had a forceful fall down the stairs imo

It doesn't take a genius to work out from my posts I'm very angry at urfan as he was Sara's father and actually went to the bother of gaining sole custody and yet he didn't protect his daughter. I don't believe bienash was able to exert that much control over urfan and fasial. I know DV exists against men but these men don't come across as vulnerable victims in my view . I've no sympathy whatsoever for him and I won't be drawn in by his Web of lies . As far as I'm concerned anything that comes out of either of the defendants mouths cannot be trusted
 
  • #929
And what was the question with "never" answer?
(The hoods?/an iron?)

I'm slowly getting lost in all links.
Will find the post for you
 
  • #930
In the below from that article, he probably says "Never" when the truth is "No"
and "No" when the truth is "Yes"

*Defence barrister Naeem Mian, KC, asked him: 'Are you, Urfan Sharif, responsible for the death of Sara Sharif?' 'No,' Urfan replied.
'Did you, Urfan Sharif, bite Sara Sharif?' Mr Mian asked. 'Never,' Urfan replied.
'Did you, Urfan Sharif, burn Sara Sharif?' Mr Mian asked. 'No,' Urfan replied.
'Did you, Urfan Sharif, beat Sara Sharif with a cricket bat?' Mr Mian said. 'No,' Sharif replied.
Did you beat Sara with a white pole?' Mr Mian asked. 'No,' Urfan replied.*
Dotta this was the previous post on the no and never answers . It was on page 34 of thread
 
  • #931
Let me explain my post clearly . I said alluded to . I didn't say urfan out right accused . Urfan alleges bienash told him a child chased Sara on the stairs and Sara fell he states bienash says the child will go to prison. They also told family in Pakistan a similar story .Urfan believes one of the children is responsible and capable of Sara's death and flees to Pakistan to save the child . He then conveniently changed his mind and now believes batool is guilty but she and urfan are pleading not guilty so if the jury believes both of there defences of not guilty ( we have not heard bienash's yet AFAiK but what if she also blames the son ) my understanding is by urfan introducing his son / child as a possible culprit into the narrative he is in a round about way allowing for accusation to be insinuated . That is all I meant . By inserting his child into the story he introduced it to the court room not bienash .

why not say Sara fell down the stairs by tripping or they don't know how she fell down she was just found at bottom I will tell you why because urfan was well aware of Sara's previous injuries and was trying to hid the true cause by saying she had a forceful fall down the stairs imo

It doesn't take a genius to work out from my posts I'm very angry at urfan as he was Sara's father and actually went to the bother of gaining sole custody and yet he didn't protect his daughter. I don't believe bienash was able to exert that much control over urfan and fasial. I know DV exists against men but these men don't come across as vulnerable victims in my view . I've no sympathy whatsoever for him and I won't be drawn in by his Web of lies . As far as I'm concerned anything that comes out of either of the defendants mouths cannot be trusted
It's not that I don't understand..I just don't agree. If you are given a version of events concerning something that happened when you were not present, it's highly conceivable that when asked, you would offer that version of events when asked to explain what you understood to have happened. And you would state who it was that gave you that version of events. Which is what Urfan has done in court.

He has also stated that since finding out the full extent of Sara's injuries, he no longer believes that version of events and now believes Batool lied and is, in fact, the one responsible. It's clear to me.
 
  • #932
Dotta this was the previous post on the no and never answers . It was on page 34 of thread

Thanks!
It makes so much sense.
Bites.
Of course.
 
  • #933
It's not that I don't understand..I just don't agree. If you are given a version of events concerning something that happened when you were not present, it's highly conceivable that when asked, you would offer that version of events when asked to explain what you understood to have happened. And you would state who it was that gave you that version of events. Which is what Urfan has done in court.

He has also stated that since finding out the full extent of Sara's injuries, he no longer believes that version of events and now believes Batool lied and is, in fact, the one responsible. It's clear to me.
I just don't believe bienash acted alone and with the timeline of events over a 2 year period it happened without urfans knowledge. So at the very least he is guilty of allowing the death of his child . I believe he always knew the extent of Sara's injuries why else remove the ring doorbell .

I'm not arguing the toss with a fellow poster whom I'm sure is as wanting of justice for Sara as myself she is the victim here . Its the portrayal of victimhood by urfan that is peeing me off . Unfortunately I can't have sympathy for the man nor find it in my heart to have a belief that prehaps he is telling the truth .
Believe me when I say I take no sides in this trial and I don't think neither defendant is more or less guilty and when bienash takes the stand I will be calling out her transgressions just as forceful as I am with urfans .
I'm grateful for open debate on WS as it allows me to gain different perspectives and I fully respect all points of view . My stance in cases of crimes against children is usually no mercy and this one is no different. I will be heartbroken if any of the defendants escape justice as I want them to expierence the same existence they inflicted on Sara . One devoid of nurture and care. Imo urfan is a manipulator and a liar so I take what he states with a grain of salt .
 
  • #934
It's not that I don't understand..I just don't agree. If you are given a version of events concerning something that happened when you were not present, it's highly conceivable that when asked, you would offer that version of events when asked to explain what you understood to have happened. And you would state who it was that gave you that version of events. Which is what Urfan has done in court.

He has also stated that since finding out the full extent of Sara's injuries, he no longer believes that version of events and now believes Batool lied and is, in fact, the one responsible. It's clear to me.

IMO
This guy knew exactly
"the full extent of Sara's injuries"
(Quoting OP)

He lived there with his kids.

And, according to 3 pathologists,
the girl had brain damage inflicted on her more or less 48 hrs before death.

So,
Spinning a tale of Sara doing washing up in the kitchen on the day of her death is ridiculous IMO.

And getting to know about the injuries only while in Pakistan - even more.

JMO
 
  • #935
I just don't believe bienash acted alone and with the timeline of events over a 2 year period it happened without urfans knowledge. So at the very least he is guilty of allowing the death of his child . I believe he always knew the extent of Sara's injuries why else remove the ring doorbell .

I'm not arguing the toss with a fellow poster whom I'm sure is as wanting of justice for Sara as myself she is the victim here . Its the portrayal of victimhood by urfan that is peeing me off . Unfortunately I can't have sympathy for the man nor find it in my heart to have a belief that prehaps he is telling the truth .
Believe me when I say I take no sides in this trial and I don't think neither defendant is more or less guilty and when bienash takes the stand I will be calling out her transgressions just as forceful as I am with urfans .
I'm grateful for open debate on WS as it allows me to gain different perspectives and I fully respect all points of view . My stance in cases of crimes against children is usually no mercy and this one is no different. I will be heartbroken if any of the defendants escape justice as I want them to expierence the same existence they inflicted on Sara . One devoid of nurture and care. Imo urfan is a manipulator and a liar so I take what he states with a grain of salt .
I honestly don't think any of them will escape justice. Although I'm not sure about the uncle at all if honest...reserving judgement until more details come to light. At the moment, I see Batool as calculated, cruel and sadistic, with an intense dislike of Sara. She may have deliberately implicated Sharif's son to deflect blame from herself and to manipulate the situation, so Sharif believed the only option was for him to confess and protect his child. We'll see what she has to say.
 
  • #936
I honestly don't think any of them will escape justice. I'm not sure about the uncle at all if honest...reserving judgement until more details come to light. At the moment, I see Batool as calculated, cruel and sadistic, with an intense dislike of Sara. She may have deliberately implicated Sharif's son to deflect blame from herself and to manipulate the situation, so Sharif believed the only option was for him to confess and protect his child. We'll see what she has to say.
I'm not sure of uncle either . I'm sure bienash will portray herself as a victim much like urfan is doing and it will end up being a case of whose word do you believe. The medical experts testimonies in court seem to state regardless of the roles each defendant played . The injuries Sara suffered could not have gone un noticed by anybody living within the household in one of the previously posted articles urfan explained this as him thinking the injuries were inflicted in fights with the other children so he was aware of repeated injuries so why not bring her to A&E especially for the likes of the broken shoulder blades hardly an injury that would not have any outward sign plenty of siblings inflict injuries on each other through horseplay
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  • #937
Broken Shoulder Basics

This is just one of Sara's injuries if you scroll right to end it will show this injury can be caused by the impact of a baseball bat or hammer used with great force . It also states there would be multiple secondary injuries caused by the break . The body would look deformed and the person would not be able to move the arms and the pain would be extreme . Don't think there would be any hiding of that from anyone who came into contact with Sara
 
  • #938
I believe bathing the body is part of post mortem rituals for Muslims.

MOO
According to Islamic death rituals "washers" are adult relatives of the same gender; thus, U. had no right to wash the body of his dead daughter. I guess, he wanted to wash away possible biological (DNA) traces from Sara's body. JMOO
 
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  • #939
Timeline from this article - Sara Sharif at the centre of acrimonious custody battles

2013 – The couple’s daughter, Sara, is born.
2014 – Olga and Sharif have an acrimonious break-up.
2014 – Sara goes into foster care. Sharif meets Batool in the autumn of that year.
January 2015 – Sara is returned to Sharif’s care, subject to Olga leaving the house.
May 2015 – Batool moves in to live with Sharif, in Woking.
Olga makes allegations against Sharif about domestic abuse and child abuse.
Sara is placed back into Olga’s care.

2015 to 2017 – Sharif is permitted supervised contact with Sara.
2017 – Sharif and Olga’s divorce is finalised.
2019 – Sara makes allegations of abuse against Olga.
2019 – The family court awards Sharif custody of Sara.

BTW I have no doubt that U instigated the above to ensure that he had control of the children (they were his possessions afterall). The only fly in the ointment for me is the SS and CAFCAS report in respect of the custody battle. Whilst I have little faith in either agency, popular opinion is that a child is removed for a reason and that reasoning is sound.
Poor kid, what a rubbish start in life being shifted around like that. Followed by a terrible end.
 
  • #940
Yes I think the same . Imo Sara didn't die immediately she was in as you state a comatose state . And if she was brought to the emergency department she would have been intubated and placed on life support .
The version being told at the moment by urfan would not have been possible given the evidence presented to the court by various medical experts .
Which makes Sara's last days more tragic as she was not even afforded a medically assisted death whereby morphine and breathing aids could have gave her a more comfortable ,humane way of passing.
That's the key thing in this case, whomever inflicted the abuse, for whatever 'reason', it doesn't excuse the fact that not one of them sought medical help for Sara. Because they knew they were up the creek and needed to leave the country asap. We probably will never know if earlier medical help could have saved Sara, but to not even try shows their utter disregard for her imo.
 
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