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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    I did a google on the step dad for "seattle" and some scientology website shows up. I can't access it on this computer as it is blocked. I'm sorry this is not directly on point with the topic of solving JG's case, but if we could confirm or deny the legitimacy of the picture and the kids, it...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    Mjak - Thanks for your post above. If you're right on this, then likely this could be a fraud. If it is a fraud, it could be as i stated earlier, a woman that wanted to associate herself with the case. What better way to do that than to say that her son is in the picture? I feel confident...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    May be someone that wanted to interject herself into this case. Again, i want to see proof her son existed and was taken. I can't find any reference at all on the web.
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    In reading the posts you posted, i'm not sure this was a message exchange between the parties. It seems to be topics relating to the individuals named, rather than a typical message chain, though I admit thats what it looks like. That being said, if I'm right (and I'm open to the idea that...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    Look, and let me say i'm as frusterated as I've ever been in terms of this case, this will however, sort itself out. Probably within a day or so, we will have further information as to whether Ms. Holm's son truely existed and if so, was he kidnaped never to be seen again. I'm not ready to...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    I'll hate to see everyone go. William was a real contributor and I'll miss his insight. I do think he has a great deal and i"ll look forward to the big news in this case as he mentioned recently. Look, all Noreen has to say about her take on the pics, is identify the other two missing kids...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

    I tend to agree. I'm not convinced that it was a single perp that got him into the car and somehow incapacitated a nearly 13 year old boy. And then also was able to drive off by himself, with this nearly 13 year old kid. But those are semantics and we can work through the scenarios of this...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

    I agree totally. This will / needs to come to a head immediately. Either we know who they are and they are not missing...or....we do not know who they are. She is in total contridiction from the investigators who say they have identified the kids and spoken to one of them (now a 40 year old...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

    Ok this is totally bizarre. Go to Noreen's website and read her letter of today. In it, she says they have talked to the two parents of the boys in the photo (Johnny being the third), and that they are in fact missing / abducted. Unless I read it wrong, what in the world is going on??? If...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

    Great news to have some "official" confirmation of things. Question: Does this also cover the photo of the single boy? In other words, was he also in the photo of the 3 boys? Or are we still trying to figure out if he's Johnny?
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    link between Johnny G, other Iowa boys, and Jacob W?

    I just did a google search for Sam Soda, Iowa, and one shows up complete with his name address and phone number. I also did a search on Zoominfo and he appears there with a reference to being on the Des Moines Planning and Zoning Commission as recently as the early 2000's. I've no idea if...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    Doc, I agree with you on the above. I also want us to be clear and narrow things down as it relates to the pictures. It looks like we can now discount the picture of the 3 boys. Thats great. I don't think from careful reading of various articles and information, that any LE or former LE in...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    The pictures were not proven to be a hoax. Only the one with the three boys were thought by one investigator in Florida, so be part of a case he investigated in the late 1970's. We have no such similar information about the one showing "Johnny" alone wearing sweats, or in the second picture...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    I hear you (no pun intended!). It might not be meaningful at all, or it could be. According to what i've read (again, this is coming only from the aforementioned parties), there were several calls that week, during the night. I still say 30 seconds seems a bit long for a wrong number. Try it...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    I think for the most part, this thread is on task, in terms of focusing on the perp. And you are right, we seem to have a child abductor that has been walking around since 1981 (although i'm open to the idea that he may have served time for other charges as thess guys have a habit of getting...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    I don't necessarily buy into "rings" either and I have pretty much decided the Federal gov't is not behind this. I will not rule out that the perp(s) of this crime may have worked for the gov't as their day job. It seems to be fact that on at least one occassion, he did have another lady...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    As we all know, most of these things tend to involve either family members or someone who was/is known by the victim. Not always, every day we see stories of violence that were random acts, but the percentage is very high. I don't think, as shocking as it may be, that any of us on here would...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What if no ring / No conspiracy?

    Good points Doc and Franklin. I think as we stay focused on the intent of this forum, we may need to, from time to time, mention other aspects of this "case" but we can do that without going off topic. For instance, if he is still alive (which we have no evidence of), that does not...
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    link between Johnny G, other Iowa boys, and Jacob W?

    William, do you have any kind of a "gut" feeling on this? or what it could be? Maybe he's going to come forward and name names?
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    link between Johnny G, other Iowa boys, and Jacob W?

    I'll always defer to those who know better than me, but i'm still having trouble convincing myself that the boy in the pics is him. The eyebrows, forehead and hairline don't seem the same to me as the pic i'm comparing it to. Granted, under the circumstances of the pics, i don't expect a great...

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