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No kidding, sheesh MOM, the defense attorney, the one who went before the court and told the judge that the family little resources, that GZ was indigent, didn't need to do his job and verify how much was in his own client's account before going to court, an account he was well aware of prior...

It has nothing to do with the prosecution not knowing, they knew there was a website, it has everything to do with the amount in the account. That wasn't up to the prosecution find out and disclose. JMHO

I think they will get away with this. The brother didn't testify, so they'll all just play dumb. Doesn't answer how they wouldn't know if they were spending money for expenses, but since the brother didn't testify they'll still get away with it. Even if nothing comes of it, it gives...

Beginning @ around 6:55, GZ's wife is questioned about the website and asked if she knew how much was in the account, she says she didn't know. She is asked who would know how much is in it and she said her brother in law, GZ's brother. She was then asked if her brother in law was there so he...

That's kind of a moot point, GZ's brother was running the website so he must have had the info. JMHO

His brother was running the website, GZ wouldn't have had to ask, JR was actively running the site. There's no way that the family didn't know how much was in there. If FT merged his site with that site and knew how much was in there, there's no way that the family didn't know. JMHO

Just blame it all on Jr, and they can't prove otherwise? JMHO

There are really no excuses to be made here, they all knew about the website including the attorney. It was his own brother running it, would they really expect everyone to believe that he never told anyone what was in it? They all knew prior to the bond hearing that he may get out on bail...

I don't know, but I doubt it. He also said this in the article, He has his tracks covered it seems, kind of reminds me of when he said, Gee I didn't know that the family didn't want to hear the apology at the bond hearing. ( paraphrasing with a little sarcasm thrown in ) I really don't...

I think you would probably win that bet. I don't begrudge any defendant their right to have a defense fund, but there are obviously political agendas in this case, people with their own self interests who want a certain outcome that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with justice in the...

Oh no, I understood what you meant, you were perfectly clear :-) I never thought it would be automatic or that a jury can just take something like that upon themselves. I was just wondering about the possiblity of lesser charges, with all of the discussion about proving second degree, it made...

Thanks, also did some googling and see that there are cases where there are several lesser charges included. So I suppose that it isn't necessarily all or nothing ( second degree or acquittal ) if this case does go to trial. JMHO

If the case makes it all the way to trial, could the jury be given the option of considering lesser charges, like manslaughter? For example, in the CA case the jurors could have considered a lesser charge? JMHO

WHat was GZ possibly under the influence of that night, we'll never know because he wasn't tested for anything. JMHO

BBM That could be. And it could be that she just didn't like someones opinion that was strong but not threatening, the fact that they didn't call LE probably says they weren't in fear of any actual threat. JFTR, Not saying that it makes it ok that anyone sent her an email. It's very...

Besides those things have already been done, digging into school records, suspensions, facebook, twitter, photos, checking to see if he had a juvenile record, even his parents and needing to know if his parents met some kind of proper standard of parenting, as if that had relevance to what...

Not sure what he's thinking but the look on his face kind of says, I can't believe you're saying that. JMHO

Any word on the hearing to unseal the records that was supposed to take place this morning?

BBM And that has nothing whatsoever to do with my point, nothing to do with an article chronicling their lives. I think I made my points pretty clear, and I fully stand behind what I said, so probably need to move on because it can get to be like :banghead: JMHO

Sometimes it's hard to figure out what the argument is about, other than it gets to be just for the sake of arguing. If it happened in 2008, it would still be on his credit report so I guess that means it still counts. He wasn't a college kid, he was an adult who was going to college. My ds...