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All things I have been thinking as well... You just said it better.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=34473769&nid=148&title=spanish-fork-parents-mark-20-years-since-teen-disappeared&s_cid=queue-7 There has to be way to make those involved talk...

Hmm... Ok I read the whole post. I might be sliding down off the fence. If true, there are definitely some huge red flags there.

I am definitely on the fence here :fence: and I waver between JT isn't involved at all to he is involved in both JN and CB murders. I do not know enough about either to make the call because I have missed some of the conversations here. I am trying to catch up but these threads get long. :gaah...

SBM Can you please explain why you feel this way? I am trying to catch up here and wonder what I might have missed.

TKL, thank you so much for sharing the letter with all of us and congrats to the nameless one on the JV cheer! It does seem that your children are in a much more loving and stable environment so in that way, yes Beverly is a hero for your family.

I wouldn't consider that MSM. And sadly, many MSM sites are taking their news from tabloid sources. I have seen almost direct copy-paste from TMZ to CNN.

We don't know that they were told that by the cops. That hasn't come from a reliable source. ETA: You all know that I am entitled to my opinion as well, right? And I am entitled to post that opinion here.[modsnip]

SBM I didn't assume anything and I certainly never said she isn't surrounded by people who care about her. I don't assume NG is the only person she cares about as I would assume her daddy is far at the top of the list. But why not have ALL the people in her life surrounding her in this...

I think this is really unfair. We do not know the relationship that they all had. We do not know the relationship between NG and WH and we don't know the relationship between NG and BK. He cared about her enough to perform CPR when she was found unresponsive and he seems to really care about...

I have been here a while (at least 5 years) so I get it. My problem on this thread is that the assumption of speculation isn't there. People are posting things as fact and there is question as to whether it is opinion or not. I have seen tabloid articles posted as "updates" and then talked about...

No, we do not know that. Please point me to the reputable news source that said "she was under water long enough for her brain to swell".

With all due respect, most of what is said here isn't speculation. Your statement is so I am just jumping off of it but most things being said here are not speculation. For example, if I say, "It is likely BK was in the water for more than 15 minutes and IMO, she will not recover", that is...

Thanks but this is my exact point. We know absolutely nothing. We don't know how long she was in the water. We don't know what led up to it. We don't know her condition. What we have been told has been tabloid fodder from unreliable sources.

I don't mean to offend anyone. I am just tired of the conjecture about BK's status. Without having some official release from the hospital, the family, anyone, we don't know BK's status and to sit here and speculate in such a negative manner is wrong IMO. With that, I am taking a break.

My problem is that many here are now assuming that this is exactly what is going on with BK at this very moment and the truth is we don't know. I appreciate KZ's knowledge of what MIGHT happen or what MIGHT be the situation but the truth is we don't know. Like I said, for all we know BK could...

KZ, while I appreciate your medical expertise, especially on other threads, I wonder how you seem to have such intimate knowledge of THIS particular patient? Have you examined BK? Have you seen the medical records? Do you know first-hand that what you are putting out there as "fact" really is...

This whole thread has been that way. I come here hoping to hear positive news. I am usually disappointed.

I find this statement a bit harsh given the circumstances. We have no idea what the nature of the relationship was between any of these people. Whether he was a father to BK or not was not entirely up to him. Was WH a good and willing co-parent or did the Houston family deny him access on occasion?