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One article I read said SA thought the glass would support Chloe. I don't know if SA actually made that statement in the interview, but it made me think that's why he might have loosened his grip. He figured Chloe would place one hand on the glass for support so he wouldn't have to hold her so...

SA said in his interview Chloe couldn't reach the lower windows, that's why he put her on rail. Now I know what he meant, in order for Chloe to bang on the lower windows, she would have to go under the railing which isn't allowed, so he decided he would lean over the rail, holding her around the...

Thanks for posting it!

There is a good photo of the table and chairs area and railing/windows with an imposed graphic of Chloe looking out of the bottom windows (like she should have been doing) on the RC blog site, Freedom of The Seas Fatality on page 14. It's the first photo I've seen which clearly depicts the area...

If the windows are an arms length close to the railing, how does SA not know it's open?

@oviedo...Winkleman already refuted that eyewitness account of the incident by saying the way the railing is curved, it may have appeared that Chloe was on the window. My question about the windows was how do passengers open and close the windows without going past the railing, and is that...

SA does the same thing in the chair photo with her sitting up tall, she is resting on his left arm while he holds her leg with the same arm.

Your great post made me realize I was picturing in my mind SA was holding Chloe by her waist (as he said in the interview) on his hip as he attempted to tap on the glass with his other arm. I never thought about SA holding her with one arm around her waist in front of him like we see in the...

Yep, that's the photo of them, thx for posting it, I couldn't find it again. I thought the same as you regarding the other photos, he doesn't seem to know how to handle a toddler properly. I wonder if he ever had kids of his own. Anyway, I agree, he does look younger and a bit slimmer in the...

I saw a photo of them on an outdoor chair, it appeared Chloe was sitting on his arm (while he was using the arm rest) instead of his lap, causing her head to be above his. I thought Chloe could have easily lost her balance seated on his arm with no support. Additionally, his belly protrudes, so...

Yes, and I think Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen moved out of Cielo Drive because they were afraid of Manson. I was in Hollywood in April 2007, and when I mentioned this to someone who makes a living based on Hollywood tragedy he disagreed with me, but I think it's more than likely. I was...

Solace - If there was regular abuse of this child, I wonder where it occurred, in her bedroom on the same floor as Burke? I don't believe there was regular sexual abuse; I think there was regular "corporal" punishment for wetting her underwear on a daily basis. Linda Hoffman said she heard...

Marie Osmond has a book out, she admits she was sexual molested at a young age, she didn't tell anyone about it because she was threatened, she doesn't say who did it. Her life as a child sounds similar to JBR, she said she started work at 3 yrs. old, had to be conscious of her looks, she was...

Didn't a neighbor hear a scream and scratching sounds coming from the basement at about 12:00 a.m. on 12/26, but the Ramsey's claim they didn't hear anything upstairs? Did the neighbors report hearing screaming later on before the police arrived? The screaming at 12:00 a.m. could have been JBR...

Hello Solace, I think she would cover for JR, wouldn't her entire life be destroyed with JR in jail. Could Patsy deal with the stress of her cancer, dead daughter, jailed husband, Burke, the media, financial problems? Look at poor Beth Holloway Twitty, she lost her husband because her daughter...

I meant if JBR's death was accidental, like Burke slamming her on the head with a flashlight or baseball bat, and they were trying to cover it up from the getgo, it doesn't make sense that they would put Colorado through all that expense to hide an unfortunate accident, so something worse must...

There could have been another person known to the Ramsey's in the house Christmas night, either before or after they arrived home from the White's. Many women claim to have been abused by a "funny" uncle, grandparents, friends of family etc. when they were young. PR could have written the RN...

That's easy, I think PR wrote the note, but not with 100% certainly. We all know there was a killer in Boulder around the time of JBR's death due to Sussanah Chase's murder. Could the two deaths be caused by the same predator, maybe someone known to the Ramsey's? JR admitted several people...

Thanks for the great welcome! I have been a member for a while, but haven't been accessing the site the past year or so due to family issues taking up so much of my time. The issues have been resolved now, so I have more time to enjoy this site. To answer some of your questions, I guess I...