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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Apologies if this one has already been posted. Many of us on this thread have been attempting to understand what the family structure, etc. might be at the Fowler home. This article has a lot of information that will help...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    From the first hearing coverage: Isaiah’s defense counsel said the family had requested the media and public not be allowed in the courtroom in future proceedings – a request Martin denied without prejudice. “I see no impairment to the child’s right to a fair trial,” he said...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    There is something worth reading here, too. http://johnkennedyinvestigations.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/visiting-the-leila-fowler-crime-scene/
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    BBM Don't forget the witness who said she saw BF covered in blood at the end of her driveway around noon. Something does not add up. One more piece of the timeline that would be interesting would be what time the rest of the family left the house. Any ideas?
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    The SacBee says "a special allegation for use of a dangerous weapon" and that is what I have read elsewhere. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/15/5422278/leila-fowler-calaveras-county.html While this special allegation seems like it would be useful in other types of crime, ie kidnapping or...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    About the knife. It seems odd that someone charged with murder would also be charged with using a weapon to commit the murder, unless the weapon was something extraordinary. A knife does not seem all that unusual, to me unless it was a sword or machete. I don't recall reading any specifics...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    No expert, here... But, IIRC part of the definition of capital murder is eligibility for a death sentence. I think the capital enhancement exists for the purpose of justifying the death penalty. It would be shocking if any prosecutor would even think about that for a 12 yo, regardless what he...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Maybe they should have the water tested for hallucinogenics? It is common for witnesses to have recollections that conflict with each other. But, this guy is self conflicting. And, they still have not explained exactly why the other one recanted her "sighting" of the perp.
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    You could be right. I have been thinking that, too. There have been so many other cases where the neighbors, friends, and family of some heinous killer have said that the guy was quiet, kind, or respectful and nobody saw it coming. We may never know, but it will be interesting if the facts...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Do we know about the "signs?" I have seen plenty of speculation, and done plenty myself. But, if there are facts I have missed them? I just do not recall the specifics. IMO We would expect there to be a long progression of some type of behavior problems, but it seems possibly, although...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    I was giving this some thought, also. What we get from the 911 call is IF's side of what happened, but we get it second and third hand, with much confusion. There are some inconsistencies, but they may or may not be material. LE has information and evidence that the defense will need to see...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    I have not seen anything to indicate that the second witness was unreliable. It could turn out that she was mistaken or inaccurate about the time, but we have no reason to doubt that she did see BF covered in blood at the end of her driveway around 12 noon. Until we are informed otherwise...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    I wonder if certain items and or areas being 'too clean' would be a factor. Example: No fingerprints on the bathroom counter. Normally, you would expect to find some, but if there were none... It would not point to any particular person, but would support a coverup theory. Or, something...
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    I am wondering where BF is during the 911 call. We do not hear him in the background. There are many assumptions that he is driving the car, but does anyone know for a fact.
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    I have begun to think that the neighbor may have seen the 12 YO going off somewhere to hide evidence.
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    From the article: "a donor had stepped forward to cover burial costs for the Fowler family" http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130513/A_NEWS/305130307
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    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

    Please have a little more compassion for the parents. Try to resist faulting them so quickly. For all we know, they are fine people who are doing everything possible to love and nurture their kids. They have not been charged or implicated in any sort of wrongdoing. On the substance, I am...

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