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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    That small % of men (it's not that small by the way - it's at least 6% - 1 in 16 (citation at end of post). So those 1 in 16 men have non-rapist friends who don't know their friends are rapists - and you could easily be one of those. Do you have more than 15 male acquaintances? Now men who hate...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Yeah... but most people's idea of 'action' seems to be about prison/sentencing/parole. Honestly I think if we want to prevent rape we have to look at the way we raise boys, the way women are portrayed in film and advertising, the way men talk to each other about women when women aren't...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    The way I read your statement "I don't know the facts of the case so I don't know if that's true or not, but why is that assumption allowed when if anyone (wrongly) assumed the same about Jill" was that hypothetically, if we knew Gosford man to have beating up his girlfriend, and...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Wow, Australia has the tenth lowest murder rate in the world, a quarter of the United States. I guess we oughtta feel pretty lucky. List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Australian offender/victim relationship stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/victim-offender.aspx Below are some american stats - higher % of stranger-murders (and also higher murder rate overall) which might explain the more wary attitude of some US posters on here "Statistics...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Seriously? Because beating up your girlfriend is a violent crime, and wearing sexy clothing and going drinking without your husband are not crimes?
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    What happened to Jill was very unusual. 1 in 4 Australian women are sexually assaulted at some point in their life, and it's almost always by someone they know - a work colleague, a friend's boyfriend, a 'normal guy'. I know of *numerous* women who've had guys give them a lift home, and then...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Whenever I have told about some minor sexual harassment that has happened to me, my male friends are always more shocked. My female friends are angry, but not shocked. They have a hundred of their own stories to tell. Most men have no idea how much low-level rapey behaviour we endure on a...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    I find this a really interesting difference between different personality types. I asked my partner whether, if something like this happened to me, and the killer filmed, and the police gave him the option to watch the footage before it was destroyed, would he? He said yes, because those were...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    You know, I'm gonna have to stand up in favour of adult shops. They're usually brightly lit and run by friendly people. Sleazy guys will go anywhere to buy *advertiser censored* but most of the profit is in expensive toys for women, and they won't go in unless it feels really sanitary and safe. Once when I...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    "Police will allege that he eventually told them the story, admitting he grabbed Jill Meagher and took her to a side street where he sexually assaulted her." (from the John Silvester article) he (allegedly) assaulted her in the alley - he didn't drive her somewhere else to assault her...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    I know I already posted this but it's really worth watching "ABC Radio host Jon Faine holds back tears as he talks on- air about the death of his colleague Jill Meagher" http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2284592568/ABC-Presenters-onair-tribute-to-Jill It's true and heartfelt and ... this is...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    What we can do To keep the focus away from 'what women can do to keep themselves safe' and on "what (good) men can do to make women feel safe' here is a very good, very useful blog post on that...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    I've spoken to men who are offended when women (strangers) don't trust them. Maybe they are both walking down a street at night and the woman crosses the road to avoid him. Or they're alone in a train carriage and she changes carriages. They have been upset that women were insinuating they...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    ABC Presenter's on-air tribute to Jill http://m.video.news.com.au/2284592568/ABC-Presenters-onair-tribute-to-Jill heartbreaking
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    'Trial by social media' worry in Meagher case "If we go back to this case, identification will be crucial, so if this person's picture is plastered everywhere it becomes a problem which is why we see the traditional media, particularly in Victoria, blotting his face so he's not recognisable."...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    I think people were suspicious of TM - apart from the statistical probability 0 because they were so horrified by the idea of accidentally consoling Jill's murderer - most people are more worried about looking like a sucker than they are of being too cynical. I certainly think it goes to show...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    meanwhile, in Philadelphia, a man who killed his long-term sexual abuser is about to be executed, even though the jury didn't know about the sexual abuse (defendant didn't mention it out of shame), and says if they did know they wouldn't have wanted the death penalty. The prosecuting lawyers DID...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    @AhronYoung Police say there will be no news conference tonight https://twitter.com/AhronYoung I'd best get some sleep then I guess. Thank you to web sleuths, having this forum has really helped. I've been pretty freaked out by it all. And having a place I could obsess (partner not so...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    Andrew Jaffrey ‏@AndrewJaffrey Police in Melbourne are now searching a field for a body after a 6 hour interview with a POI tonight. https://jp.twitter.com/AndrewJaffrey can't take long to search a field I guess...

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