GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

[LegallyBrunette]

In my view, the alleged perp's partner is a victim in this too!

And his children.

 

[Brunswick_Kiwi]

Just a further comment. At an 18th male birthday party last night, it was reported that many were discussing this case at some point with appropriate dismay and sadness for Jill. Even our young men can see the gravity and tragedy of this offence. My opinion only.

"Even our young men". Seriously? Do you actually think young men are generally not capable of feeling the same sorrow and empathy as the rest of society?

There have been some scary and untrue generalisations about men in this thread, and in the media about this whole case.

 

[Cobo]

"Even our young men". Seriously? Do you actually think young men are generally not capable of feeling the same sorrow and empathy as the rest of society?

There have been some scary and untrue generalisations about men in this thread, and in the media about this whole case.

Well said ..... I haven't heard any out pouring of grief for the Gosford man murdered by his girlfriend last night

 

[The Unfortunate Ms M]

An equal amount of guys were there who were all very sombre about the case and most of them discussed how if they saw a female walking home alone in future, they would offer to escort.

What happened to Jill was very unusual. 1 in 4 Australian women are sexually assaulted at some point in their life, and it's almost always by someone they know - a work colleague, a friend's boyfriend, a 'normal guy'.

I know of *numerous* women who've had guys give them a lift home, and then claimed they "owed" them, and followed them to their doors.

So if a man offers to walk me home he's asking me to be alone with him.

I'd rather be totally alone than alone with a guy I don't know well enough to trust.

This emphasis on stranger danger hides the real threat to women, which is men we know

Edit: and isn't what happened with the Dutch girl, and maybe happened with Jill, was that a normal looking guy convinced them they were in danger and offered to accompany them home?

 

[GutFeeling!]

:welcome: Cobo

 

[aust amateur slueth]

And his children.

I feel very sorry for his children, they are also innocent victims who will suffer for the rest of their lives.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well said ..... I haven't heard any out pouring of grief for the Gosford man murdered by his girlfriend last night

You just KNOW what the defence will be. Give me strength:banghead:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/almost-the-same-name-means-strife-for-man-20120928-26r3f.html

Cretins in our midst. Did they think he forwarded his landline to St Kilda police station or the cells?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Well said ..... I haven't heard any out pouring of grief for the Gosford man murdered by his girlfriend last night

domestic violence ending in death is an awful tragedy but is it really comparable to the murder of a random stranger who was innocently walking home?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

You just KNOW what the defence will be. Give me strength:banghead:

It doesn't sound like that has washed with the police.

 

[Brunswick_Kiwi]

domestic violence ending in death is an awful tragedy but is it really comparable to the murder of a random stranger who was innocently walking home?

I think murder is comparable to murder, yes.

The trend of the thread continues with the assumption that this man was not innocent, and therefore was asking for it. I don't know the facts of the case so I don't know if that's true or not, but why is that assumption allowed when if anyone (wrongly) assumed the same about Jill there would be hell to pay?

 

[BreakingNews]

His defence will have the option of asking that the trial be held in a different jurisdiction (not Victoria) if it is perceived that public feeling is so high as to jeopardise a fair trial. From memory this happened with Bradley John Murdoch, trial for murder of Peter Falconio. The trial was eventually held in Darwin.
http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/dpp/docs/cases/falconio/falconio_mt_031113.pdf
13 November 2003
The Territory is about to face a media block out should the case for the extradition of the man wanted for the suspected murder of Peter Falconio prove successful in the Adelaide Magistrates Court this morning. Lawyers of Forty- five year old Bradley John Murdoch, will oppose the extradition by challenging the validity of the warrant, which alleges Murdoch murdered Falconio and lawfully detained his girlfriend Joanna Lees, back in July of 2001. Detectives from the Northern Territory have flown to Adelaide for the hearing, they expect to return to Darwin tomorrow with Murdoch in their custody. Now interstate papers have already been restricted into the Territory and what you will hear from now on will be severely curtailed due to strict contempt laws in place to protect the right to a fair trial and the impartial hearing and also to maintain the authority of the courts.

LB, wasn't Murdoch arrested in S.A. and taken back to NT for trial because it was the NT that the offence happened in. No other reason.

 

[BreakingNews]

domestic violence ending in death is an awful tragedy but is it really comparable to the murder of a random stranger who was innocently walking home?

Murder is tragic, whatever the circumstances. Baden-Clay is in prison accused of murdering his beautiful wife. Believe me, there was an outpouring of grief over this 'alleged' murder.

Anyone got any stats on number of random murders vs murderers known to victims?

 

[The Unfortunate Ms M]

I think murder is comparable to murder, yes.

The trend of the thread continues with the assumption that this man was not innocent, and therefore was asking for it. I don't know the facts of the case so I don't know if that's true or not, but why is that assumption allowed when if anyone (wrongly) assumed the same about Jill there would be hell to pay?

Seriously? Because beating up your girlfriend is a violent crime, and wearing sexy clothing and going drinking without your husband are not crimes?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I think murder is comparable to murder, yes.

The trend of the thread continues with the assumption that this man was not innocent, and therefore was asking for it. I don't know the facts of the case so I don't know if that's true or not, but why is that assumption allowed when if anyone (wrongly) assumed the same about Jill there would be hell to pay?

WTF where has anyone said he was not innocent or he was asking for it?

you're assuming the lack of grief is based solely on gender, but IMO it is the circumstances that have resonated with people so strongly, how easily it could have been any one of us.

Look how quick some people were to wrongly assume that Jills husband had harmed her.

 

[The Unfortunate Ms M]

Australian offender/victim relationship stats:
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/victim-offender.aspx

Below are some american stats - higher % of stranger-murders (and also higher murder rate overall) which might explain the more wary attitude of some US posters on here



"Statistics have shown that nearly half of all murder victims actually knew their murderer. In fact, 20 percent of murders involve family members. So even though we hear the horror stories of serial killers, or random unsolved murders, your chances are much higher of being killed by someone you know, maybe even someone you love. 1 in 4 female murder victims are killed by their husband or boyfriend."

 

[catswhiskers]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...an-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6n6-1226485743514

'Mr Lay said while social media had been very helpful during the investigation, it also posed difficulties.

"It is disappointing and when you see the hatred that's incited by some of these sites,'' he said. "It is very much the antithesis of what we saw yesterday with 30,000 people taking to the streets saying 'let's try and make this a safer and fairer community''

That's a good article and worth a read from beginning to end. As a pretty passive (as in I tend to browse rather than contribute much) fb user myself, I have been horrified with some of the comments and threats have have been posted in the past week - some of the language and very graphic threats are revolting. Something horrible I have noted is that many of these comments are made by people who have one of their young children's images as their profile pic - disturbing and very incongruous with the way they are speaking.

In my experience some people tend to be much braver and more assertive when communicating via keyboard than they ever would in real life.

Lay refers to a page that fb are refusing to remove, which surprises me as I feel they are usually pretty good at acting upon reported pages promptly. That said I have just done a quick search and found 14 pages listed, all of which have AB's full name in the title - some have only a handful of followers, while one (which I assume is the one that should be removed - I reported it as inappropriate myself days ago) has over 44 K . They almost all feature unmasked photos too, which I also thought would be grounds for removal.

All in my own rambling opinion...

 

[Brunswick_Kiwi]

WTF where has anyone said he was not innocent or he was asking for it?

you're assuming the lack of grief is based solely on gender, but IMO it is the circumstances that have resonated with people so strongly, how easily it could have been any one of us.

Look how quick some people were to wrongly assume that Jills husband had harmed her.

See the post right before yours where he is accused of beating up his girlfriend. This is the only info I can find:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-stabbed-to-death-in-gosford-20121001-26u86.html

Has someone posted proof that he was beating her up? If not, he's been assumed to be asking for it.

The only time I saw Tom Meagher suspected was after the bag was found, and the search of the apartment began. At least that was evidence based, even if completely incorrect.

 

[Brunswick_Kiwi]

Australian offender/victim relationship stats:
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/victim-offender.aspx

Below are some american stats - higher % of stranger-murders (and also higher murder rate overall) which might explain the more wary attitude of some US posters on here



"Statistics have shown that nearly half of all murder victims actually knew their murderer. In fact, 20 percent of murders involve family members. So even though we hear the horror stories of serial killers, or random unsolved murders, your chances are much higher of being killed by someone you know, maybe even someone you love. 1 in 4 female murder victims are killed by their husband or boyfriend."

Great. Now a link to prove your claim that he was beating her up and deserved to be stabbed?

 

[The Unfortunate Ms M]

Wow, Australia has the tenth lowest murder rate in the world, a quarter of the United States. I guess we oughtta feel pretty lucky.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia