10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[Abby Normal]

This case has me screaming mad. There is a baby that is missing. The Mom has lied & lied about close to everything since the beginning. What time she laid baby down ./ cell phones missing / then she was black out drunk no memory of nothing / one COA after another COA.

Then when LE starts coming down they lawyer up & shut up. Have the parents or family EVER went searching for her? Like others here they'd have me sedated & in a straight jacket if it were my baby that vanished.

I hope LE does there job & really starts to put pressure on them. Someone needs to do something quick. I sincerely can't imagine parents hiding behind a lawyer & not doing everything they can to find the baby. If it were my Grandbaby I'd be on my lawn every morning begging the media to help. If it was my Grandbaby the parents would have to be in hiding from me. Not from LE or the media questions.....I'd want my own answers & by golly no LIES!

This is ridiculous & baby Lisa needs found ASAP! LE would have me locked up because I'd demand answers from anyone who would listen to me. DB would ask to be put into jail for her own protection from lieing!!!

BBM

Preface: This is not a challenge, I'm seriously rechecking my facts

What all has she lied about? As far as I know the only thing that has been proven that she lied about was the timeline, and we don't have confirmation if her story just changed to media or if it also changed to LE.

Otherwise- there have been TONS of inconsistencies, but there have been TONS with every person in this case (and things that can't be altered- such as step-brothers/half-brothers mistakes) which makes me assume we must at least hold open the possibility of poor journalism until we get more info from LE on whether of not she has been consistent with them, you know?

But then, I am thinking, I am probably forgetting some instances of proven lying for you to have said she has lied about nearly everything.

I looked at your examples but was she caught lying about either? Phones- I thought we knew from the beginning that they were missing? Being drunk- I thought she only came out once and said she had been drinking, not that she denied it and then came clean? I'm just trying to make sure I didn't miss anything.

 

[natsound]

I like this idea..people tend to read into things a bit much..I'd be real happy to hear the kids got to be kids.

I will say I'm a little surprised nobody followed? No media or anything?

I am too. I find the KC media isn't very aggressive. There are many interviews I wish we would have seen by now.

 

[~n/t~]

May just be me, but this seems to have been done under the cover of darkness and with drama.

It is my own personal opinion that the exodus was planned by a flamboyant P.I. and maybe JT.

My opinion and I am sticking to it.

If they did it in the day time, people would say the same thing. This family just keeps getting bashed over and over.

What drama? I saw a family getting into a car. I must've missed the drama.

 

[gliving]

This chauffeuring Bill Stanton is doing just proves to me he was not hired to find Lisa. I can not wait till it comes out who hired him and the job description.

Bill is former LE and now, in addition to being a private investigator, he's a personal bodyguard.

From reading some of the comments on the internet toward the family, I think it's a good idea he's with them.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Thanks for the compliment I have to say it wasn't "ME" that helped in my recovery it was all the wonderful people and something much greater than myself. I'm shocked that so many people are defending her actions that night. I'm not in any way saying that she is a bad person, because I'm not a bad person, I'm just saying that on that particular night, when her husband was not at home, to drink until she was blackout drunk was a very bad decision and certainly led to the outcome.

BBM
Don't sell yourself short. While support and the higher power contribute greatly to recovery, ultimately no one can help you recover or "make" you recover unless "you" do the work of recovery. So you deserve many kudos!:rocker:

 

[justamommy]

If they did it in the day time, people would say the same thing. This family just keeps getting bashed over and over.

What drama? I saw a family getting into a car. I must've missed the drama.

BBM Was thinking the same thing...maybe they were hoping media was asleep.

 

[Donjeta]

I looked at your examples but was she caught lying about either? Phones- I thought we knew from the beginning that they were missing? Being drunk- I thought she only came out once and said she had been drinking, not that she denied it and then came clean? I'm just trying to make sure I didn't miss anything.

If there was a call made from one of their phones that night I'd say they were caught lying about not being able to make or receive phone calls, and if she lied about that she probably didn't really think LE was lying to her either when she was told there was a call made.

That, or the abductor paid their phone bill.

 

[Tipstaff]

No drama here, just an observation in missing children cases that parents get up on TV and initially put out information regarding their missing child and there seems to be a gut check by long time sleuthers where one believes them or one doesn't.

The follow up appearances on TV seems to cement the initial feeling or leads one in another direction. LE interviews, spokespersons, demeanor of principals all feed into the initial perceptions.

Hard but not impossible to redirect the initial gut response one gets.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Bill is former LE and now, in addition to being a private investigator, he's a personal bodyguard.

From reading some of the comments on the internet toward the family, I think it's a good idea he's with them.

But according to his own lips he was not hired for the family he was hired to find Lisa.

 

[annalia]

Katshep-I was saying the bold part was rude to say- if anyone came to my door looking to help me find my baby would be welcomed-the more eyes looking-the better chance in finding her-if I am innocent!!JMO

But would you let a total stranger, who was there with another male, into your hoime if they came unannounced, 9;30 at night? If you had other children in your home?

If you knew you were innocent but also knew that many people thought you were guilty, would you let an unknown person into your home at night?

 

[linajoy]

This chauffeuring Bill Stanton is doing just proves to me he was not hired to find Lisa. I can not wait till it comes out who hired him and the job description.

I think it's obvious who BS works for, his initials are JT. IMO!!

 

[mentalsolstice]

This is exactly the kind of post that makes me sympathize strongly with the family. Are you seriously picking apart how DB behaved as the boys walked in home having come home from school? Seriously? You're making a judgement on her, saying she can't be bothered, saying she doesn't pay attention to her boys, based on that one screenshot. That's unbelievable.

I must be a crap mom because my 7yo walks a few feet ahead of me on a regular basis. She's not always clung to my side.

A thank you isn't enough. I've never known a little kid who didn't want to run ahead of his/her parents. And to judge DB simply because she was caught looking down in a screenshot....

 

[cachmo]

This chauffeuring Bill Stanton is doing just proves to me he was not hired to find Lisa. I can not wait till it comes out who hired him and the job description.

Dr.Fessel I always look forward to your post. IMO I think that the media wouldve already picked this benefactor out. What do you think?

 

[SmoothOperator]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... ng.01.html
-------Nancy Grace--Oct.27/2011---

GRACE: Gil, you have been in a similar spot, as baby Lisa`s parents, and you travel. We`re showing a shot of your son when he went missing, at an age-progression right now to 23. You traveled all the way to help the parents. What happened when you got to baby Lisa`s home?*

ABEYTA: Let me -- first of all, I`m not hearing you real well, but let me respond to you and what I wanted to say to make sure that I say it. The advantage I have, over all of you coming up with possibilities, and mother and father and all this kind of stuff, I`m a victim.*

I went through exactly what they went through for a long time. I`m not guilty, I`m still here talking to you. And I came purposely to talk to the victims, to see exactly what kind of condition they`re in, so that we can help them. Not to hurt them.*

And what I saw, and I only met with them for about a half hour, was I saw that they were in very, very bad condition. Incapable, I say incapable of being able to respond intelligently to what`s going on.*

Also the fact that they were -- that they brought in people that just forced themselves into a private eye, an attorney, and they told them not to talk, not to do anything. They are scared, like scared rabbits in a cage. They don`t know what to do. They don`t -- what`s going to happen, if the pressure continues, they`re going to beat up so bad, someone is going to commit suicide.*

At that from Mr. Abeyta, NG turned off his mic. Nancy G does not want to hear any defense from anybody, you are supposed to only agree with her.

I am very very upset as well as outraged about this! Mr. Abeyta is speaking honest truth here and does no one care to see the truth for what it really is??!? Or is everyone just like NG and only want to hear what will further fuel the hatred and disgust at the parents!?! Mr. Abeytas meeting with the parents was even twisted into a negative in the media and public.. What about the real and honest truth here that Mr. Abeyta is telling.. He has met with them and he sees what's happening and that these parents are scared(and not just of the damn jail that some keep harping) they are NOT OK TO A POINT THIS MAN, MR. ABEYTA IS EVEN WORRIED ABOUT SUICIDE!! that they have been thrust into this bs with BS and the circus and that things are NOT ok!!*

IMO it's quite likely still that these parents are not guilty of harming their child!! I totally agree with Nancy A's post upthread and she could not be more spot on with her words.. I honestly believe it has become about hating the parents and no one can even see the forest for the trees at this point.. It's so overrun with vehement hatred and anger.. And where exactly does that get us, or more importantly where does that help baby Lisa? IMO it doesn't.. Hating them isn't going to help anything.. Some may say it doesn't matter but I disagree and I do believe that we, even here at WS do play a role in the public and media and that we are a chunk of that public pressure that's being spoken of.. The negative hatred and even bashing of parents that are not in any way, shape or form proven to be guilty of harming their baby.. I don't see it being of any help toward finding Lisa and cannot help but put myself in these parents shoes that my being innocent and terrified and having the lynch mob mentality right outside my doorstep.. Terrified and having put my trust in someone I believed would help me find my baby.. I know that I personally wouldn't stand for what's happening, but then again I'm not in their shoes and am only on the outside looking in.. And these ppl are not me and may not have the same strengths to draw upon or the same support system in place that I do.. Mr. Abeyta is attempting to get the real truth of what's going on out there to the media and people like NG cut his mic because it's not what's gonna get her the ratings of over exaggerating, blowing out of proportion, and harping on the negatives bashing these parents over the head.. That's what the public wants and Mr. Abeyta doesn't give a flying flip about that BS he's attempting to get the truth out there..

I'm appalled and disgusted with this exact attitude that NG is encouraging.. And it doesn't do a damn bit of good for Lisa whatsoever!!!

 

[KCMommie]

I continue to see people state that LE has not released anything of evidential value.

What part of a statement starting around October 7, 2011, "The parents are NOT co-operating" do people not understand?
LE does not make statements like this without darn good reason.

Not only do they not continue to co-operate with answering questions "Only the parents can answer" as quoted from KCPD, they appear to have no interest in helping to locate their daughter.

I don't buy the idea that this is atty, or network induced exodus.. it's just another excuse. Why, I don't know. Nonetheless, Lisa, a helpless little girl is out there and the very people that may have the ability to find Lisa are too busy creating more drama and deflecting from that very fact.

I think it's a diversion alright, but I think it's a diversion instigated by the parents since day one.

 

[belimom]

Commotion, locomotion, confusion and babel will keep that nasty truth away.

Agreed. I actually had tears when I started reading this thread last night. I just had this terribly sad feeling that this case is going to go unsolved and those that are responsible for Lisa's disappearance will go scot free.

I pray this is not true, but this latest news is just really and truly... unbelievable. I do understand the need for a break if your child is missing, I do understand wanting to protect your other two children, I do understand wanting to get away from media camped in the yard/on the streets. But a baby is missing - and her family seems to be running from further questioning - questions that may have come up since the last time they were questioned.

I do hope this case is solved.

 

[Donjeta]

Dr.Fessel I always look forward to your post. IMO I think that the media wouldve already picked this benefactor out. What do you think?

Didn't a woman on one of the morning shows say she had talked to the benefactor? Or did I dream that?

 

[Abby Normal]

If there was a call made from one of their phones that night I'd say they were caught lying about not being able to make or receive phone calls, and if she lied about that she probably didn't really think LE was lying to her either when she was told there was a call made.

That, or the abductor paid their phone bill.

Or mistaken. Or the borrowed phone could call and when she said that they were restricted she was talking about their phones because LE showed her pings from HER phone. We could be comparing words about X to facts about Y.

When you're getting snippets it's not always as clear as it seems.

I'm checking to see if there are more confirmed and not presumed cases of lying.

There are certainly MANY MANY red flags, no doubt. Hesitant to make assumptions when media has been so half hazard with everyone and everything involved.

 

[KCMommie]

Didn't a woman on one of the morning shows say she had talked to the benefactor? Or did I dream that?

She did. I can't remember her name, but I had seen it too! However, this does not prove that it is not a media affiliated "benefactor". Half truths have been so prevalent in this case.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Dr.Fessel I always look forward to your post. IMO I think that the media wouldve already picked this benefactor out. What do you think?

I think the media has figured out who she is and her connection comes through Bill Stanton and the cousin. I think they are just waiting to figure out what is going on.