17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #10

[octobermoon]

Because Trayvon Martin can do no wrong and George Zimmerman is a racist who was out to kill an African American that night. *eyeroll* JMO O.

Trayvon is dead. George Zimmerman killed him. We will never know Trayvon's side of the story. GZ made sure he would never speak again.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Trayvon is dead. George Zimmerman killed him. We will never know Trayvon's side of the story. GZ made sure he would never speak again.

But if it were self defense???
I mean it is tue TM can not tell his side of the story.

But if the evidence shows self defense, then what?

Will it ever be believed? Or will GZ always be the "racist murderer"?

 

[annalia]

Trayvon is dead. George Zimmerman killed him. We will never know Trayvon's side of the story. GZ made sure he would never speak again.

my bolding

Sadly, no we won't.

And GZ's had a lot of time now to perfect his story, tweak it to his advantage, that's very troubling, in my opinion.

JMHO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I love it how TM's past is not irrelevent (sp) in any way, shape, or form, But GZ's past is because he had 3 run ins with the police way back in 2005, which was 7 years ago and since then has not been in anymore trouble.

I just love how the double standard applies to this case.

With all due respect...that fateful night, Trayvon was just going back home after going to the store..what happened in school has nothing to do with GZ 'stalking' this child..he was told not to do that..Dispatcher asked if he was following him, Yep, GZ answered, Dispatcher tells him, we don't need you to do that..I wonder why GZ didn't inform the dispatcher that he was armed!

I believe, GZ's call into 911 tells his mentality and that Trayvon was targeted due to his skin color and clothing..

His telling the 911 dispatcher that he looks suspicious, on drugs or something..rash of burglaries and these **sholes always get away...then if the racial slur is evident, it will show that GZ targeted this kid, in a sterotype racial profiling...He appears to be a wannabe cop walking around his neighborhodd in a vigilante justice type attitude..Had he stayed in his vehicle, Trayvon would still be living and breathing...

lease: Justice for Trayvon...

 

[mercuriod]

Here's what sticks out for me in this police report...

page 3
According to the police report, Trayvon was face down, hands underneath his body, no pulse...the police turned him over and attemped resusitation efforts...pronounced dead at 1930 hours...by paramedic Brady..


page7

Z shot the suspect and was still armed..LE removed gun from the inside of waistband, removed the kel tek 9mm PF9 semi automatic handgun and holster.While I was in close contact with Z, I noticed his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass as if he'd been lying on his back on the ground. Z was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head...

Z was placed in the back of my police vehicle and given first aid by SFD..While SFD was attending to Z I overheard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one helped me". At no point did I question Z about the incident that had taken place. Once Z was cleared by SFD, he was transported to the SPD...
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....olicreport.pdf


Since Trayvon was found with his hands underneath his body, that would mean to me, that he was not in a defensive position. It appears he died right as the bullet struck him..and GZ was straddled on his back with his hands in his back..he didn't even try to render aid..I believe he meant to murder this unarmed teen..

GZ words will get him arrested...besides the alleged racial slur, he during that call stated, these *******s always get away...Trayvon was not going to get away...

GZ was treated at the scene and released, so his 'injuries' did not require being in the hospital...but now it's turned into a broken nose and needed stitches in the back of his head..I say hogwash..dude is just trying to make it appear, Trayvon was the agressor..He should have stayed in his vehicle and not persue Trayvon...I am very happy the Mayor of Sanford released that video..it's clear he did not have a broken nose..

Justice for Trayvon Martin

BBM - How is it "clear" from that grainy video that he did not have a broken nose, they did not zoom in on his face, to have a broken nose you nose does not necessarily have to be flattened or turned upside down, or crooked and the swelling can appear several hours after the injury, so how can you state as a fact that it is "clear" he did not have a broken nose?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I'm interested to know why Wolfinger felt the need to race to the crime scene that evening in order to make the call not to charge Zimmerman. Why the seemingly personal interest?

GZ's father, Robert Zimmerman is a retired judge...do they know each other? Hmmmmmm, always food for thought!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

BBM - How is it "clear" from that grainy video that he did not have a broken nose, they did not zoom in on his face, to have a broken nose you nose does not necessarily have to be flattened or turned upside down, or crooked and the swelling can appear several hours after the injury, so how can you state as a fact that it is "clear" he did not have a broken nose?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...ry?id=16033712

Video at link which the narrator points out the alleged injuries..there is no blood on his shirt, had his nose been truly broken, he'd be full of blood..also he never asked to go to the hospital after he was treated at the scene and released to SPD..

Very clear video with the narrator pointing out this alleged broken nose..this was only 30 minutes after Trayvon was found murdered...HTH

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpps/news/tr...ivil-rights-cases-dpgapx-20120330-fc_18921706

Martin Family Lawyer Known for Civil Rights Cases

Snipped:

When Benjamin Crump got his first call from Trayvon Martin's father last month, the attorney counseled patience.

It had only been two days since a neighborhood watch volunteer had fatally shot the 17-year-old, and surely an arrest was imminent, thought Crump, who has pursued several civil rights cases against law enforcement agencies.

Also snipped:

But thanks largely to Crump's efforts, the case has stirred marches and rallies around the nation, merited comment from President Barack Obama, led to the resignation of the Sanford police chief and brought scrutiny from the U.S. Department of Justice into this Orlando suburb of 55,000 residents.


* BBM -
My question, how did TM's father know he would need an attorney that has experience with cases against law enforcement 2 days after the shooting?
Was this a "the cops don't care" case from day 2, before the cops had a chance to investigate?
I don't know, that just seems odd to me.

And also, having a "civil rights" attorney so soon may have turned this into a "racial" case right off the bat. If the attorney's efforts got all the marches and protests going, was this a preplanned "national" civil rights case from the get go?

I'm not saying they do not have the right to an attorney, it just seems like from very early, they were determined to MAKE this a racial, civil rights deal from the start.

 

[Isabelle]

yet, GZ past has everything to do with what happened on 2/26/12.

Yes, same for Trayon from why I have been reading. Only difference here, Trayvon was a lot younger, so we won't hear as much.

 

[octobermoon]

But if it were self defense???
I mean it is tue TM can not tell his side of the story.

But if the evidence shows self defense, then what?

Will it ever be believed? Or will GZ always be the "racist murderer"?

Trayvon was walking down the street. George Zimmerman called the cops to report a kid looking like he was up to no good. George then followed/stalked a kid. Self defense? Who was the one who needed self defense. The kid with no car, no gun, or the man with both? The man who was told by dispatch he didn't need to follow a kid? But he did. Trayvon was walking down the street. Not a crime. JMO MOO IMO......................

 

[iluvmua]

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpps/news/tr...ivil-rights-cases-dpgapx-20120330-fc_18921706

Martin Family Lawyer Known for Civil Rights Cases

Snipped:

When Benjamin Crump got his first call from Trayvon Martin's father last month, the attorney counseled patience.

It had only been two days since a neighborhood watch volunteer had fatally shot the 17-year-old, and surely an arrest was imminent, thought Crump, who has pursued several civil rights cases against law enforcement agencies.

Also snipped:

But thanks largely to Crump's efforts, the case has stirred marches and rallies around the nation, merited comment from President Barack Obama, led to the resignation of the Sanford police chief and brought scrutiny from the U.S. Department of Justice into this Orlando suburb of 55,000 residents.


* BBM -
My question, how did TM's father know he would need an attorney that has experience with cases against law enforcement 2 days after the shooting?
Was this a "the cops don't care" case from day 2, before the cops had a chance to investigate?
I don't know, that just seems odd to me.

And also, having a "civil rights" attorney so soon may have turned this into a "racial" case right off the bat. If the attorney's efforts got all the marches and protests going, was this a preplanned "national" civil rights case from the get go?

I'm not saying they do not have the right to an attorney, it just seems like from very early, they were determined to MAKE this a racial, civil rights deal from the start.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.wesh.com/r/30800977/detail.html

Brother: Medical Records Will Prove Zimmerman's Story

SANFORD, Florida (CNN) -- George Zimmerman's brother said medical records will prove that his brother was attacked and his nose was broken by Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the teen.


"We're confident the medical records are going to explain all of George's medical history," Zimmerman Jr. said. "His nose looks swollen in that video. I'm his brother."


*I've seen it mentioned here at WS that GZ never went to the Dr.
If they have medical records, he saw a Dr.
JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Trayvon was walking down the street. George Zimmerman called the cops to report a kid looking like he was up to no good. George then followed/stalked a kid. Self defense? Who was the one who needed self defense. The kid with no car, no gun, or the man with both? The man who was told by dispatch he didn't need to follow a kid? But he did. Trayvon was walking down the street. Not a crime. JMO MOO IMO......................

If TM attacked GZ and GZ shot him to get him to stop, it's self defense.

 

[Isabelle]

But if it were self defense???
I mean it is tue TM can not tell his side of the story.

But if the evidence shows self defense, then what?

Will it ever be believed? Or will GZ always be the "racist murderer"?

The majority may never be convinced otherwise.

 

[mercuriod]

With all due respect...that fateful night, Trayvon was just going back home after going to the store..what happened in school has nothing to do with GZ 'stalking' this child..he was told not to do that..Dispatcher asked if he was following him, Yep, GZ answered, Dispatcher tells him, we don't need you to do that..I wonder why GZ didn't inform the dispatcher that he was armed!

I believe, GZ's call into 911 tells his mentality and that Trayvon was targeted due to his skin color and clothing..

His telling the 911 dispatcher that he looks suspicious, on drugs or something..rash of burglaries and these **sholes always get away...then if the racial slur is evident, it will show that GZ targeted this kid, in a sterotype racial profiling...He appears to be a wannabe cop walking around his neighborhodd in a vigilante justice type attitude..Had he stayed in his vehicle, Trayvon would still be living and breathing...

lease: Justice for Trayvon...

Again, since no one KNOWS for sure exactly what Trayvon was doing that night, just what his parents (neither of whom were anywhere near him that night) have said he was doing. For all "we" know Trayvon could have been peering in windows, ducking behind bushes when he saw Zimmerman looking at him, etc which could have been why Zimmerman thought he looked suspicious.

 

[SuziQ]

I know this is not the case, but if it came out that TM had a history with hanging out with gang members, you don't think that would be relevant in any way?

No. TM was not armed or doing anything illegal that night, Even if he was, GZ is not a judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The majority may never be convinced otherwise.

Well, thank goodness our system is not ran by the majority.
Thank goodness the evidence WILL matter.

 

[Isabelle]

http://www.wesh.com/r/30800977/detail.html

Brother: Medical Records Will Prove Zimmerman's Story

SANFORD, Florida (CNN) -- George Zimmerman's brother said medical records will prove that his brother was attacked and his nose was broken by Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the teen.


"We're confident the medical records are going to explain all of George's medical history," Zimmerman Jr. said. "His nose looks swollen in that video. I'm his brother."


*I've seen it mentioned here at WS that GZ never went to the Dr.
If they have medical records, he saw a Dr.
JMO

GZ lawyer said during interview that they had no records. Now whether that means he went to doc and they just haven't gotten them, or he never went at all, I don't know. You'd think there is a photo somewhere showing GZ's injuries clearly, even a cell phone shot!

 

[iluvmua]

I was under the impression that the Martin Family lawyer was just an ordinary run of the mill lawyer. not someone who has been known for civil rights cases.

You learn something new everyday.

 

[SuziQ]

I love it how TM's past is not irrelevent (sp) in any way, shape, or form, But GZ's past is because he had 3 run ins with the police way back in 2005, which was 7 years ago and since then has not been in anymore trouble.

I just love how the double standard applies to this case.

Simple. One is the shooter and the other one is dead.