17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #33

[HiHater]

I thought the website that Zimmerman's first two lawyers put together and set up for Zimmerman Sr to run was set up for a defense fund. I also thought that I remembered reading on Zimmerman's website that he did himself that the donations were to be for living expenses and such since neither he nor his wife can work to support themselves now. Wasn't there also a part on Zimmerman's own website that HE would be the one dealing directly with the donations so that people who wanted to donate could be sure that the money was going to him?

I'm going to say MOO because now that the website has been taken down and I do not have a screenshot or cached version of it I can not post a link.

I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in light of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.

Sincerely,
George Zimmerman

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...:/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[Reader]

If I were O'Mara, I'd drag Zimmerman's a$$ all the way back to the courtroom tomorrow so he could be there to answer any questions the judge might have. O'Mara can play stupid about this all he wants but there's been plenty of interviews and articles that have stated otherwise. He knows exactly what he's doing and will probably glide right through it. Just as I said a day or 2 ago, it's going to take Zimmerman no time to go rogue on this lawyer too. If he doesn't like the way things are going for him, he will take the matter into his own hands which there again is the reason why Trayvon is lying dead at Zimmerman's hand tonight.


~jmo~

I'm not convinced that O'Mara didn't know - or didn't want to know. IYKWIM

Yep, you are both probably right about MOM and I did say earlier I thought he was being sly about this...but then I started thinking he would be crazy to go before the judge himself and lie about not knowing about the money.

And I did mean withdraw in court tomorrow after he told the judge and let him deal with GZ...hopefully remand him back to jail and increase the bond. I don't really know what the judge could do but will be very interesting to see what happens tomorrow..

 

[mercuriod]

I'm confident the donations came in after the bond hearing.

Not according to his bestest friend Francis B. Taaffe, Francis was on NG telling the world that there was more than enough to cover any bail the night before the bond hearing.

 

[luvlife]

Is the GZ meeting at 9am eastern time. TIA

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Just caught another evasive answer from the bond hearing from GZ's wife. She said they don't own their house. She was asked who does and she said "our landlord." By coincidence (??), if you look it up on the Seminole Tax Appraisers website, the "landlord" shares the last name of Zimmerman. Don't want to get in trouble, but she also has an insurance business in Orlando. (Could this be the Aunt or Godmother??). Hmmm. And she does still hold a cosmetologist license (not for hair, she is a facialist), curiously still under her maiden name. Hmmm. I guess no one asked during the hearing, but I would think that is pertinent information as it gives her the ability to make a living, even if she is in school. Lies by omission seem to run in the family, IMHO.

Well isn't that interesting. I wonder if the rent check is exactly the amount a house payment would be.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

OMara knew all about the website and there was no reason for him not to know the amount of money in the account when he went into that hearing.

George should have gave him the password and he should have checked it. If George refused to give him the password he should have told the judge that. It is that simple.

 

[Karmady]

and so ...?

he's been there, done that, and won't be inclined to make more of it than it is with respect to the culpability of the defendant. He may chew O'mara a new one...or not...idk. But I can see that he is prepared to take one for the team if he has to. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wonder if OMara really knows this time how much money was in the account or is he just taking Zimmerman's word for it?

At the very least I think the Judge is going to have to do OMara's job for him and find out exactly how much money Zimmerman has.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That would greatly depend on what psychological perspective or approach they used.

A humanist would have a greatly different opinion than a psychoanalyst, who would have a greatly different opinion than one who practiced from a biological psychology perspective.

Whatever you say. Take up your debate with Robert Hare and his ilk, who were my main sources.

 

[m00c0w]

OMara knew all about the website and there was no reason for him not to know the amount of money in the account when he went into that hearing.

George should have gave him the password and he should have checked it. If George refused to give him the password he should have told the judge that. It is that simple.

Unless there were multiple accounts and Zimmerman did not divulge all of them. Or the money came in after the bond hearing.

 

[lauriej]

I thought the website that Zimmerman's first two lawyers put together and set up for Zimmerman Sr to run was set up for a defense fund. I also thought that I remembered reading on Zimmerman's website that he did himself that the donations were to be for living expenses and such since neither he nor his wife can work to support themselves now. Wasn't there also a part on Zimmerman's own website that HE would be the one dealing directly with the donations so that people who wanted to donate could be sure that the money was going to him?

I'm going to say MOO because now that the website has been taken down and I do not have a screenshot or cached version of it I can not post a link.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...se-money-for-legal-costs-lawyers-confirm?lite
George Zimmerman takes to Web to raise money for legal costs, lawyers confirm

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It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or “Legal Fund”. I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.

I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.

 

[lauriej]

Is the GZ meeting at 9am eastern time. TIA

--florida is EST, the hearing is at 9 a.m. EST

 

[m00c0w]

Whatever you say. Take up your debate with Robert Hare and his ilk, who were my main sources.

:waitasec:

It's very possible that experts in the realm of the same perspective all share the same opinion. However, an individual that practices from the biological perspective may believe it's something present naturally before birth, while an individual that practices from the psychoanalytic method may believe it stems from childhood experiences.

Psychology is one field where most things are not cut-and-dried, and for most viewpoints (at least revolving around pathology), you will have an equally authoritative but opposite viewpoint. And many people in the middle. I'm not contesting your sources. I'm saying that because one scientist and peers in the same area he researches in say it's one way doesn't necessarily mean that it's accepted in the general field of psychology.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

well understanding the background of Trayvon is an important piece of the puzzle. He is the victim-yes but this is a unique situation in that the defense is claiming self defense so what character issues Travon may or may not have had may be relevant. So while I agree it does not merit much discussion it is reasonable to mention. Give it the amount of weight that you personally think it deserves.
Does that help?

It was a rhetorical question, but now that you ask: insofar as I am aware, despite all the desperate digging to find it, no one and I mean absolutely no one has unearthed one wafer thin piece of evidence to indicate that Trayvon had any violent tendencies or any violent episodes in his past that make GZ's story of TM jumping him from behind anywhere near credible.

And with the number of people I've seen just here on "victim-friendly" websleuths attempting to smear him, much less the public at large, I'm inclined to believe no evidence of that exists, because nothing of the sort ever happened.

That sort of background would have relevance to this case.

Marijuana residue in a baggie in a backpack, or school suspensions for nonviolent offenses, have none. So IMO none of that is "reasonable" to mention in light of the circumstances of Trayvon's death.

JMO MOO etc.

 

[Reader]

Unless there were multiple accounts and Zimmerman did not divulge all of them. Or the money came in after the bond hearing.

According to a link/post above, FT said the bond was covered the day before the hearing.

But that's a thought about the multiple accounts...I was sitting here thinking how do we know how many there were/are? Every person in the family could have set one up for George's benefit. Plus his political supporters like the NRA could be taking in money for him. George has got himself a new business and doesn't even have to work....

 

[HiHater]

Unless there were multiple accounts and Zimmerman did not divulge all of them. Or the money came in after the bond hearing.

The website was taken down immediately after the bond hearing IIRC.

What it boils down to, for me and IMO, is that GZ lied to O'Mara, or O'Mara lied to the public.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

:waitasec:

It's very possible that experts in the realm of the same perspective all share the same opinion. However, an individual that practices from the biological perspective may believe it's something present naturally before birth, while an individual that practices from the psychoanalytic method may believe it stems from childhood experiences.

Psychology is one field where most things are not cut-and-dried, and for most viewpoints (at least revolving around pathology), you will have an equally authoritative but opposite viewpoint. And many people in the middle. I'm not contesting your sources. I'm saying that because one scientist and peers in the same area he researches in say it's one way doesn't necessarily mean that it's accepted in the general field of psychology.

Great. Please find a reputable source who stakes his/her claim that psychopaths are made, not born.

I didn't find any in my research, but that doesn't mean you won't.

 

[m00c0w]

Great. Please find a reputable source who stakes his/her claim that psychopaths are made, not born.

I didn't find any in my research, but that doesn't mean you won't.

I'll see what I can do.

And, if you don't mind me asking, why were you seemingly contradicting a remark about sociopathy with research you conducted on psychopathy?

 

[m00c0w]

Great. Please find a reputable source who stakes his/her claim that psychopaths are made, not born.

I didn't find any in my research, but that doesn't mean you won't.

“You’re not born a psychopath but the foundation is there,” Hare says. “We’re all born with temperaments that can be shaped by the environment.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3026707...d-psychopath-experts-seek-clues/#.T5o7WMRYskI

lol. It doesn't even look like Hare fully believes psychopaths are "born that way".

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'll see what I can do.

And, if you don't mind me asking, why were you seemingly contradicting a remark about sociopathy with research you conducted on psychopathy?

The sources I read, including Hare, say sociopathy = psychopathy but the terms have been conflated in popular media.