17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

[tehcloser]

How did TM see that gun with that big old coat Zimmerman had on?

ummmm, because he had it out and pointed at him?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm all for his family and friends wanting to defend him because I am sure they know he is not all there... but they really are not helping! They should just say they are waiting for the investigation to be finished. We want answers just like everyone else. There's no reason to keep giving out different versions, even if they do not intend to. Some people get excited and nervous on television and they say all kinds of crazy things. They need a spokesperson... not his father or friends.

 

[HiHater]

I wonder how he was transported to and from the scene when he met up with PD to reenact the events of the previous night.

He still lived in the townhouse at that point, didn't he?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

A police detective told the father of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin that his son initiated two confrontations with the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ayvons-death/2012/03/28/gIQA6MKhhS_story.html

From your link:

Tracy Martin said police asked him to identify his son from a crime-scene photograph. He said that authorities have yet to provide him with the autopsy report and that he was unable to view any injuries his son may have suffered in the fatal struggle.


So, even if the congresswoman is close to TM's parents, how would she know about a broken nose.
The family has not even seen the autopsy report.

And, the father did not see any injuries. I'm assuming his father saw his nose.

JMO

 

[wishuwerehere]

Premeditation is more than you're making it out to be. It implies that the crime has been planned and thought out beforehand to increase chances of success and minimize chances of discovery. Second degree murder would be more fitting in that scenario.

Well, if you use Zimmerman's 911 calls it can be established that he had a thought process beginning to emerge that implied he saw Trayvon as someone that he was not and he was not going to "let him get away this time." That's premeditation. It shows calculation and intent. It doesn't matter if it was formed only 5 minutes before the killing.

jmo

 

[SuziQ]

OMG..I just saw that video.. There isn't any sign, none whatsoever, of his head being bashed against the sidewalk...His rear needs to go to jail.... NOW...JMHO...

BBM. I'd like to know how his head was bashed against a sidewalk when the final incident happened on the grass. And I mistaken about it ending on the grass?

 

[m00c0w]

Well, if you use Zimmerman's 911 calls it can be established that he had a thought process beginning to emerge that implied he saw Trayvon as someone that he was not and he was not going to "let him get away this time." That's premeditation. It shows calculation and intent. It doesn't matter if it was formed only 5 minutes before the killing.

jmo

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the requirement, though. Not merely "it can be established."

 

[Emeralgem]

Another insult to the general public's intelligence.

What unarmed 17 year old boy would see a gun, and then issue a death threat to the person possessing that gun? It's bull cr&p!

It's NONSENSE!

I'll give you an AMEN....

 

[Kimberlyd125]

the 911 calls and the affidavit from TM's girlfriend do not disprove her statements, IMO. She is a US Congresswoman and a longtime Miami politician, so it is entirely possible she does have the yet unreleased autopsy report.

I fail to see why you repeatedly call her a liar?

I don't think I EVER called her a liar.
I said she misspoke. And when someone asked why she would lie, I said I don't know she lied yesterday.

I never called her a liar once, and certainly not repeatedly.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Updated: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 10:50 PM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 9:32 PM EDT
ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Film director Spike Lee apologized to a Sanford couple on Twitter late Wednesday night. Lee came under fire for tweeting the McClains’ address as the address of George Zimmerman.

On Twitter, Spike Lee (@SPIKELEE) wrote: “I Deeply Apologize To The McClain Family For Retweeting Their Address. It Was A Mistake. Please Leave The McClain's In Peace. Justice In Court”


Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman#ixzz1qTHbsrfh

So, he's going to pay for their hotel stay right? Also, if I were them, I'd want a lifetime supply of movie tickets for my entire family to all Quentin Tarantino films (they are friends). OMG which reminds me???? Quentin Tarantino's film "Django Unchained" is supposed to be released Christmas Day this year!! I've read the screenplay and that may not be a good thing if things don't calm down!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

According to the law, premeditation can be formed in an instant. That is murder in the first degree.

GZ had a choice even once the gun was out. He chose to pull the trigger and that choice is arguable in court for premeditation.

Proving premeditation is an entirely different ballgame.

Premeditation can be as quick as a second - like CHOOSING to pull the trigger on a gun aimed at someone.

They did arrest and question him. they also questioned witnesses.If There's proof of a vast,vast police conspiracy I'd love to see it. I don't think the investigation was botched at all, people just don't like the outcome.

GZ was detained - never arrested.

Another insult to the general public's intelligence.

What unarmed 17 year old boy would see a gun, and then issue a death threat to the person possessing that gun? It's bull cr&p!

It's NONSENSE!

EXACTLY!!! TM didn't see the gun - at first. And now, if GZ had the gun in the small of his back - well then - how did it get pulled since TM was supposedly sitting/straddling on top of GZ slamming his head into the concrete? GZ had to have gotten up at some point to pull the gun!!!



Now, I need some help here. I've been seeing this footage for the past day or so - saw it again tonight in the background during NG. It was credited to WKMG - so I"m assuming that's a local TV station.

It is footage of the scene - that night! In one, if I'm seeing it correctly you can see Trayvon laying in the grass - covered up. Not all of him - but part.

I've gone to that station's site but didn't sit there and go through all their videos - NG was playing it and I've seen it on other channels as well.

Have any of you noticed this footage or know where to get a link from?



TIA


JMHO

 

[tehcloser]

Tracy Martin said police asked him to identify his son from a crime-scene photograph. He said that authorities have yet to provide him with the autopsy report and that he was unable to view any injuries his son may have suffered in the fatal struggle.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ayvons-death/2012/03/28/gIQA6MKhhS_story.html

ETA: “We didn’t see the body until it got back to Fort Lauderdale and he was cleaned up and dressed up for the funeral,” Martin said.

 

[HiHater]

Why would a crime scene photo be used to identify the body? Don't families usually go to the morgue to make the identification?

I smell a cover up...:moo::twocents:

 

[m00c0w]

He still lived in the townhouse at that point, didn't he?

I took it that it might have been a little more formal than him just meeting them over there.

 

[Yoda]

I am learning that if people want to believe GZ acted in self defense nothing is going to change that belief. This case has veered into Twilight Zone Territory IMO. I still have seen no evidence that Trayvon did anything wrong the night he was murdered I still feel he is the only victim between him and GZ but maybe we will see images of GZ injuries

I respectfully disagree. I thought GZ acted in self defense, but with the video and his father's statement released tonight about the gun and it sounding like GZ had it drawn, I am leaning more toward murder (not sure the correct legal term). I am still going to wait until LE releases their information to make a decision because to decide before hand wouldn't be right.

 

[CHICANA]

Now on The ED show on MSNBC are saying the videos disprove the police and GZ statements that he was attacked....OMG arrest GZ now His head was never bashed and he was not almost beaten to death!!! IMHO

Who really shot Trayvon ?
In the video I didn't see ANY blood on GZ.
It's been stated that TM was shot at close range, why isn't TM's blood on GZ ? Are we sure this video is really Zimmerman ?

 

[LolaMoon08]

GZ had a choice even once the gun was out. He chose to pull the trigger and that choice is arguable in court for premeditation.



Premeditation can be as quick as a second - like CHOOSING to pull the trigger on a gun aimed at someone.



GZ was detained - never arrested.



EXACTLY!!! TM didn't see the gun - at first. And now, if GZ had the gun in the small of his back - well then - how did it get pulled since TM was supposedly sitting/straddling on top of GZ slamming his head into the concrete? GZ had to have gotten up at some point to pull the gun!!!



Now, I need some help here. I've been seeing this footage for the past day or so - saw it again tonight in the background during NG. It was credited to WKMG - so I"m assuming that's a local TV station.

It is footage of the scene - that night! In one, if I'm seeing it correctly you can see Trayvon laying in the grass - covered up. Not all of him - but part.

I've gone to that station's site but didn't sit there and go through all their videos - NG was playing it and I've seen it on other channels as well.

Have any of you noticed this footage or know where to get a link from?



TIA


JMHO

Have you gotten a chance to watch the released video yet?

 

[wishuwerehere]

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the requirement, though. Not merely "it can be established."

You must establish fact beyond a reasonable doubt for a jury to decide.

If you can prove intent from the 911 calls together with proof that it was indeed Trayvon pleading for his life, and Zimmerman shot him anyway, well a jury might go there. However, a prosecutor with this case probably won't. No one wants to lose and it's harder to prove premeditation. Even though that may be exactly what happened in this case.

jmo

 

[Lovejac]

A police detective told the father of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin that his son initiated two confrontations with the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ayvons-death/2012/03/28/gIQA6MKhhS_story.html

And again, WOW! This has proven to be quite a newsworthy day!

Good night, friends. I am volunteering for my twins kindergarten Easter egg hunt tomorrow, and I neded all the rest I can get!

 

[gitana1]

Well no. I saw it on tv. It was during the counsel meeting.
HLN has replayed that segment about a million and one times since I saw it yesterday.

She stated, as fact, that GZ saw TM, chased him down, tackled him, and shot him.

She is the only person who has said that. IMO she is misinformed. The 911 tapes do not back up her statements.

Today, she is supposed to know what's on an unreleased autopsy report.

IMO this lady just talks without being informed.

None of the 911 tapes catch the moment of confrontation. Zimmermans' call ended before and the neighbors' calls began after the initial confrontation. That leaves us with what Zimmerman and his supporters say and what Trayvon's girlfriend said. I don't believe what Zimmerman said. The girlfriend stated Zimmerman approached, Trayvon asked why he was being followed, Zimmerman asked what Trayvon was doing there and there was the sound of an impact as well as the sound of the earbud clattering and then the phone going dead, which indicated to her that something jarred that earbud from Trayvon's head.

So, I can't see where the congresswoman lied. It's what she believes and it depends on who you believe. Based on Zimmerman's conduct that night and his history, with various, different sources - police officer, ex-girlfriend and neighbors - accusing him of violent or aggressive behavior, as opposed to Trayvon who has no criminal record, is reported to have been a quiet kid and who indicated he was scared of the strange man following him, it is logical that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon and when Trayvon tried to fight back, shot him dead.

If it's because it's such a racist city and county, why was it the city that filed to press charges, and the state attorney that denied it?

You are right, not the city attorney, the state's attorney. Who represents the same county and the same judicial district. http://sa18.state.fl.us/ He does not handle cases for the entire state of Florida. He handles cases for the same judicial district that gave Justin Collison probation, not jail time and who dismissed the charges of two, white security guards who shot to death an unarmed, black teenager.

As for the Sanford P.D., the statements of the police on the scene as well as Chief Lee show that they did not agree with the investigator who wanted to charge Zimmerman. They are backing Zimmerman, not Chris Serino.