2-15-2013 Dr Phil Show

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Anyone know if the show brought in the record book/kindle sales jose was hoping for?


I forgot to check the kindle sales but after looking at your post - I thought okay - curiosity + cat = I'll take the bite...

So I checked out amazon and thought WOW! A couple of days ago he was at 39,000 and now he's at 1,118! Impressive in kind of a Grrr way.

So then I check novelrank to have a look at the actual number of books sold over the last two days - sure hope you are sitting down for this!!

Eight! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: Yup - 8! A landslide! :silly:

Ranking at amazon is such a crock!!

Okay will have a peek at kindle...
 
I forgot to check the kindle sales but after looking at your post - I thought okay - curiosity + cat = I'll take the bite...

So I checked out amazon and thought WOW! A couple of days ago he was at 39,000 and now he's at 1,118! Impressive in kind of a Grrr way.

So then I check novelrank to have a look at the actual number of books sold over the last two days - sure hope you are sitting down for this!!

Eight! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: Yup - 8! A landslide! :silly:

Ranking at amazon is such a crock!!

Okay will have a peek at kindle...

Wouldn't Dr. Phil have to buy a truckload of books (not sure how many are in his audience). I would think those purchases would effect his numbers. No doubt JB wouldn't give them to Dr. P for free! :what:

MOO

Mel
 
Is JBaez a hypocrite?

He wanted the jury to consider fca not seeing a gynecologist before the age of 19 as circumstancial evidence, but not the decomposition evidence in the trunk, the 31 days, the duct tape, the plastic bags, the canvas laundry bag, the borrowing of the shovel, all her lies, etc. Hypocrite.


JBaez says a person's testimony is evidence, unless it makes fca look guilty... Then it's speculating, or that they had an ulterior motive... Hypocrite.

It's junk science, unless he needs it for his resume, then it's forensic evidence. Hypocrite.

We need to respect the jury's verdict, unless they need to stall, protecting fca from any future responsibility, asking for the verdict to be overturned on appeal. Hypocrite.

JBaez says you can't base your decision on her guilt with emotion, yet they were the ones who relied on emotion to reach the NG verdict. Hypocrite.

Says the prosecution threw everything at the wall hoping something would stick. We all know who actually did this. Hypocrite.

Calls others media hounds, looking for their 15 minutes. If that's not the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrite.

JBaez claims innocent until proven guilty, and how unfair we, and the media were, by judging her, etc. Yet, it was perfectly ok for him to do it to GA, without any evidence to back it up... At least our reasoning was based on evidence. Hypocrite.

The list goes forever, and the show was basically just another repeat of his spin and hypocrisy, imo... Dr. P did have some really good moments, and there was much less hair pulling and frustration compared to most of his other appearances...

All jmo.
 
Again thanks to all who bit the bullet and watched. I for one could not. Didnt think anything new would come out of jb mouth. Do question if ga atty could sue jb for the ongoing declamation of ga?
 
Wouldn't Dr. Phil have to buy a truckload of books (not sure how many are in his audience). I would think those purchases would effect his numbers. No doubt JB wouldn't give them to Dr. P for free! :what:

MOO

Mel

Not sure - but if he did I guess they came from his "private collection" - also known as the ones he had stacked up in garage that were buybacks to bring up his numbers and have already counted as sales on amazon.

Do you think Dr. Phil would have to buy them? I don't think he would...
 
Is JBaez a hypocrite?

He wanted the jury to consider fca not seeing a gynecologist before the age of 19 as circumstancial evidence, but not the decomposition evidence in the trunk, the 31 days, the duct tape, the plastic bags, the canvas laundry bag, the borrowing of the shovel, all her lies, etc. Hypocrite.


JBaez says a person's testimony is evidence, unless it makes fca look guilty... Then it's speculating, or that they had an ulterior motive... Hypocrite.

It's junk science, unless he needs it for his resume, then it's forensic evidence. Hypocrite.

We need to respect the jury's verdict, unless they need to stall, protecting fca from any future responsibility, asking for the verdict to be overturned on appeal. Hypocrite.

JBaez says you can't base your decision on her guilt with emotion, yet they were the ones who relied on emotion to reach the NG verdict. Hypocrite.

Says the prosecution threw everything at the wall hoping something would stick. We all know who actually did this. Hypocrite.

Calls others media hounds, looking for their 15 minutes. If that's not the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrite.

JBaez claims innocent until proven guilty, and how unfair we, and the media were, by judging her, etc. Yet, it was perfectly ok for him to do it to GA, without any evidence to back it up... At least our reasoning was based on evidence. Hypocrite.

The list goes forever, and the show was basically just another repeat of his spin and hypocrisy, imo... Dr. P did have some really good moments, and there was much less hair pulling and frustration compared to most of his other appearances...

All jmo.

Agreed.
He thinks he is notorious because he represented Casey.
He just doesn't get it that he is notorious because of his own obnoxious, sleazy behavior. He is just as much a criminal as his clients.
 
DP:
Joining me is Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez. I say attorney. He is not now. He was at the time of the trial. He says throughout the trial he never hid the fact that Casey Anthony lied to authorities and even her own mother about where Caylee was for 31 days. Jose admits Casey has a history of lying, so why would he believe the molestation claim when she lies about so many things in her life. Lets go over some of the lies that Jose does not dispute. Okay.
Caylee being okay when in fact she was missing. She was lying about that.
Having a nanny. She was lying about that.
Being pregnant. She lied about that.
Working at Universal Studios. She lied about that.
Zanny the nanny kidnapping Caylee. She lied about that.
Jesse Grund being Caylee's father. She lied about that.
Eric Baker being Caylee's father. She lied about that.
This is kind of like when her lips were moving she was lying, and you know that.

JB:
Absolutely

DP:
But we'll believe this one because it gives us ammo to go after George. It just seemed like... I understand that you not only have the right, you have the duty to zealously represent your client. I mean, I get that if nobody else does.

JB:
If there was some proof, if there was some issue to disprove something like that, our I knew it was false, I had the duty to step forward and not, and not present this type of evidence. I could not find something to disprove it, and unfortunately, unless she had told me "look, I lied. This is not the situation", I couldn't, I had to defend her, and it's to the contrary, like I said, we started to find things that supported it, and I understand people's hesitation. I had a lot of hesitation before doing this, a lot, but there were people lying in this case everywhere, do what was true and what wasn't true, it was for the jury to decide. So long as I had a good faith basis and ghats what I held to and threats what we came forward with.

DP:
She even had a lit of imaginary friends. Here's a look at her imaginary friends.

(snipped, he showed the chart from trial with all the 12 friends with fca in the middle)

DP:
I mean it just goes on and on.

JB:
It's fascinating, isn't it?

DP:
But out of this, we're gonna pluck out that her father was, I mean you did have doubts.

JB:
Heres the thing..

DP:
You had a right to believe it but you did have doubts.

JB:
Here's what you're not telling everyone is that these lies were for years before Caylee died, so this was the world she lived in, where she had an imaginary boyfriend, imaginary friends, an imaginary nanny. Someone by the name if Juliette Lewis. Cindy Anthony testified that one day her and Casey went to Universal Studios and sat in the parking lot waiting for Juliette to come off work for an hour and a half. That's the length of a movie waiting for someone that you know doesn't exist. This is a, this is a girl who got up every day for two years, put on clothes, got her daughter dressed and went to a job that didn't exist, so theres something more going on here than just making up lutes to get off a murder charge.

DP:
So you did have doubts. You mean

JB:
I had doubts everywhere in this case, everywhere in this case.

DP:
Did you ever feel bad about standing up in court and accusing this man of molesting his daughter?

JB:
No, I did not, and I say that because, you know, everyone, I, everyone has the right to a defense and if this is something she's saying, and there's no, there's a good faith basis for outing it forward, it's a requirement that the prosecution brought into this court. I presented this at trial because the prosecution decided to make post death behavior a relevant fact. The fact that she went to a bar is not relevant. The fact that she behaved a certain way is not relevant unless it's consciousness of guilt. That was all made relevant by the prosecution and the sexual abuse was brought in to explain that behavior, which means if you're the type of person that goes through this type of horror on a daily basis, well then, and you can act like nothing's wrong, it's very understandable to act like nothings wrong when a tragedy happens in your life and complimenting.

DP:
Well we're gonna talk about that. So what really hastened to Caylee? Does Jose know the truth, how this child came to her end? We'll talk about that when we come back.
 
I need to take a break from this but will continue later. Please forgive errors. Autocorrect changes some words and I dont always catch it.
 
I keep forgetting to mention in regards to Baez harping about Casey never going to a Gynecologist before she was 19yrs old

SO WHAT? It doesn't have to be a OB/GYN many family doctors to routine check ups, Pap Smears and issue birth control pills

Casey could have seen a Family Physician and not necessarily an OB/GYN before 19yrs but he failed to mention that...so it made it sound like she never received any medical attention

Only when I was pregnant did I seek out a OB/GYN, my Family Physcian referred us to specialists only when needed.

If Cindy believed Casey was not sexually active then she may not have thought to bring Casey to an OB/GYN
When Cindy did find out Casey was pregnant Casey did go see one.

The blame is on Casey, she was an adult, and according to her Lawyers she is intelligent... she chose to become sexually active and she chose to not to seek out an OB/GYN when she found out she was pregnant...It took Cindy finding out to get her to go.

Heck she had friends she could have spoken with but she lied and hid the truth/the pregnancy from everyone...
 
I never took my dd to a gynecologist. I never even thought of doing so. His emphasis on that always struck me as a red herring.
 
Just want to say my dd is 21 on birth control (planned parenthood) been there twice. STILL NO PAP OR GYN CHECK! I still cant get over that.
 
I recorded it - I will do the cheap upload (ie with my digital camera - as the real upload method I normally do, is just to much work for him!)

Here are 3 audience member shots while it is uploading (again, just snaps of the tv!) and the faces tell the story to me - JMHO!

Giving direct links as to not put their faces here for eternity! Not their fault they got this show! LOL
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/ws silly/007_zps5825d002.jpg (loved her - she looked totally disgusted!)
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/ws silly/004_zpscabe3a03.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/ws silly/008_zps9cbe2340.jpg
Wonder if they cautioned the audience not to BOO.
 
Not sure - but if he did I guess they came from his "private collection" - also known as the ones he had stacked up in garage that were buybacks to bring up his numbers and have already counted as sales on amazon.

Do you think Dr. Phil would have to buy them? I don't think he would...

I absolutely think Dr. Phil paid for those books. Look at how much he paid the Anthony's. No way do I think JB gave him the books for free in lieu of an interview. Just my opinion of course.

Mel
 
Just want to say my dd is 21 on birth control (planned parenthood) been there twice. STILL NO PAP OR GYN CHECK! I still cant get over that.

Wow - really? I'm gonna be 50 this year, so my memory is not as clear as it was 20 years ago. However, I do remember mom taking me to the GYN when I was 17 or so. Not for birth control, but for an exam (which I thought everyone did). I've had one every year since - thank goodness. Because in 2008 they found a cancerous tumour which resulted in a 10 hour surgery because the tumour spread to my intestines. I ended up with a total HYS and loss of quite a bit of my intestines.

I'm a pretty big advocate for annual exams. I mark my calendar for March of every year. So far so good!

In any case, I wouldn't put a teen on BC without an exam. But that's just my opinion - others would disagree.

Best,

Mel
 
DP:
Joining me is Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez. I say attorney. He is not now. He was at the time of the trial. He says throughout the trial he never hid the fact that Casey Anthony lied to authorities and even her own mother about where Caylee was for 31 days. Jose admits Casey has a history of lying, so why would he believe the molestation claim when she lies about so many things in her life. Lets go over some of the lies that Jose does not dispute. Okay.
Caylee being okay when in fact she was missing. She was lying about that.
Having a nanny. She was lying about that.
Being pregnant. She lied about that.
Working at Universal Studios. She lied about that.
Zanny the nanny kidnapping Caylee. She lied about that.
Jesse Grund being Caylee's father. She lied about that.
Eric Baker being Caylee's father. She lied about that.
This is kind of like when her lips were moving she was lying, and you know that.

JB:
Absolutely

DP:
But we'll believe this one because it gives us ammo to go after George. It just seemed like... I understand that you not only have the right, you have the duty to zealously represent your client. I mean, I get that if nobody else does.

JB:
If there was some proof, if there was some issue to disprove something like that, our I knew it was false, I had the duty to step forward and not, and not present this type of evidence. I could not find something to disprove it, and unfortunately, unless she had told me "look, I lied. This is not the situation", I couldn't, I had to defend her, and it's to the contrary, like I said, we started to find things that supported it, and I understand people's hesitation. I had a lot of hesitation before doing this, a lot, but there were people lying in this case everywhere, do what was true and what wasn't true, it was for the jury to decide. So long as I had a good faith basis and ghats what I held to and threats what we came forward with.

DP:
She even had a lit of imaginary friends. Here's a look at her imaginary friends.

(snipped, he showed the chart from trial with all the 12 friends with fca in the middle)

DP:
I mean it just goes on and on.

JB:
It's fascinating, isn't it?

DP:
But out of this, we're gonna pluck out that her father was, I mean you did have doubts.

JB:
Heres the thing..

DP:
You had a right to believe it but you did have doubts.

JB:
Here's what you're not telling everyone is that these lies were for years before Caylee died, so this was the world she lived in, where she had an imaginary boyfriend, imaginary friends, an imaginary nanny. Someone by the name if Juliette Lewis. Cindy Anthony testified that one day her and Casey went to Universal Studios and sat in the parking lot waiting for Juliette to come off work for an hour and a half. That's the length of a movie waiting for someone that you know doesn't exist. This is a, this is a girl who got up every day for two years, put on clothes, got her daughter dressed and went to a job that didn't exist, so theres something more going on here than just making up lutes to get off a murder charge.

DP:
So you did have doubts. You mean

JB:
I had doubts everywhere in this case, everywhere in this case.

DP:
Did you ever feel bad about standing up in court and accusing this man of molesting his daughter?

JB:
No, I did not, and I say that because, you know, everyone, I, everyone has the right to a defense and if this is something she's saying, and there's no, there's a good faith basis for outing it forward, it's a requirement that the prosecution brought into this court. I presented this at trial because the prosecution decided to make post death behavior a relevant fact. The fact that she went to a bar is not relevant. The fact that she behaved a certain way is not relevant unless it's consciousness of guilt. That was all made relevant by the prosecution and the sexual abuse was brought in to explain that behavior, which means if you're the type of person that goes through this type of horror on a daily basis, well then, and you can act like nothing's wrong, it's very understandable to act like nothings wrong when a tragedy happens in your life and complimenting.

DP:
Well we're gonna talk about that. So what really hastened to Caylee? Does Jose know the truth, how this child came to her end? We'll talk about that when we come back.
"Good faith basis" my a$$!!!!!!!
Basicallly what he's saying is that we pulled out all the stoppers.
Poor Caylee...I hope Baez doesn't have one moment of "inner" peace. You can do your job...and whoopee, you got the person responsible for her death off scott-free...but resting your own personal self-worth on that...well, IMO, he shouldn't have a decent night's sleep for the rest of his life for doing that.
 
JB:
Yes. I should hope so. Ummm

DP:
Why are you no longer representing her?

JB:
(deep sigh)

DP:
Well I ask that because frankly, you know as well as I do, sometimes those you do the best job for, are the ones that wind up being the less grateful.

JB:
I couldn't agree with you more. I was..I had a unique opportunity to teach at Harvard Law School, after the case was over. While I was there teaching, the videos came out of Casey, and the media just swarmed again, and here I was at a turning point in my life, where I was starting to move on, and the circus wanted ti come to town again and it was just something I, I said, my job is over. I did the best I could and it was time to move on and not get involved with all the extra curricular things that go along representing someone in that position.

DP:
Are you still practicing law?

JB:
Yes. I am. (laughs)

DP:
so you're actively representing clients and

JB:
absolutely. and that biggest problem too. You know, my current clients want my focus. They want my entire, undivided attention. They really don't want someone out there, uhh, engaging with things that have nothing to do with the current case.

DP:
Has this helped your law carer, or has it tainted your law career?

JB:
It's ..I think it's certainly helped. You know with all the good and bad things that were said. I think one thing was for certain. People got to see someone who's committed to their client and who fought as a defense lawyer should and I dont think any one who's ever in a situation like that would demand less from their attorney.

DP:
Did she agree to you writing the book?

JB:
She signed a waver allowing me to do so and to discuss it and yes.

DP:
Okay. Now based on reports, George and Casey have reconciled, which leads me to why I invited Jose here today. In his opening statement, he made an explosive accusation, claiming that Casey's father, George Anthony, had been sexually molesting her since she was a young girl. Now the question that I have, did he knowingly misrepresent facts or present scenarios to the court that he knew to be untrue? Take a look at this and then we'll talk about it.

Video of the opening statement played. Video of the Anthony's on Dr. Phil played. Dr Phil asks Cindy if she knows that George never molested Casey. Cindy: absolutely. Video of George testifying with Jeff Ashton asking about it. They had the notes on tv dating it was John Ashton.
Video of George and Cindy on Dr. Phil.

DP:
Okay. You went after George in a big way. You say in your book that you had five prongs of the defense, correct?

JB:
Correct.

DP:
He was number two or three as I recall.

JB:
One if the things that I did want to put out there was some of the details of what she said, and these inherit details that kind of gave us the impression that wait a second. This might not be a lie. Granted, she's got a string history of lying and lying and deception is one of the key symptoms of someone who's been sexually abused. I didn't just come right out and accept it. I had her examined by mental health professionals, multiple mental health professionals, and they all came back with the same conclusion., that she shows classic signs of someone who's been sexually abused.
I'm sorry, wasn't it one of his own mental health professionals who had a really hard time believing her?
 
I absolutely think Dr. Phil paid for those books. Look at how much he paid the Anthony's. No way do I think JB gave him the books for free in lieu of an interview. Just my opinion of course.

Mel

Agree, Melanie ~ and I'll go you one better: I believe Dr Phil paid way, way above list price for each of those books!! But, of course, he didn't actually pay for JB's interview. That might be considered a bit too tacky. :banghead:
 
I'm sorry, wasn't it one of his own mental health professionals who had a really hard time believing her?
It was Danziger that was deeply disturbed about disclosing sexual abuse claims that were unsubstantiated and he was the doctor appointed by the court to evaluate her in July/august 2008

The 2 doctors were Dr. William Weitz and Dr. Jeffrey Danziger , they both said they found no mental illness

She told Weitz she "thinks" she was raped at a party in October or November and that's how Caylee was conceived, that she thinks her drink was spiked because she blacked out

Then she said that George sexually abused her for years and told the doctors she suspected him of being Caylee's father


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...z-and-cheney-mason-casey-anthony-caylee-marie

Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby, a legal analyst for WESH-Channel 2, said (snipped)

"The problem is, in making their determinations, they have to — by default — testify what was told to them," Hornsby said.

Hornsby said defendants commonly feed lies to mental-health experts to try to convince them they suffer from a mental problem or, in some instances, try to legitimize or make the story more believable by telling the expert.

"That's a very common tactic for defendants," he said.

William Sheaffer, WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst, agreed, but said he was dubious of anything Anthony says.

"The purpose of calling these guys was to put her story forward without the state having to cross-examine," Anthony, he said. "You can't believe anything that comes out of this woman's mouth."
 
Wow - really? I'm gonna be 50 this year, so my memory is not as clear as it was 20 years ago. However, I do remember mom taking me to the GYN when I was 17 or so. Not for birth control, but for an exam (which I thought everyone did). I've had one every year since - thank goodness. Because in 2008 they found a cancerous tumour which resulted in a 10 hour surgery because the tumour spread to my intestines. I ended up with a total HYS and loss of quite a bit of my intestines.

I'm a pretty big advocate for annual exams. I mark my calendar for March of every year. So far so good!

In any case, I wouldn't put a teen on BC without an exam. But that's just my opinion - others would disagree.

Best,

Mel

Hugs Melanie

I am an advocate of annual exams as well.
Yet, I didn't have an OB/GYN until I was pregnant.
My family physician did the exams, pap smears, birth control..she said if anything comes up that is unusual she would then refer us to a GYNE or other specialist.

It's Baez's harping about Casey never going to a GYNE because she was sexually abused that is, as Dr Phil said, Flimsy.

Just because it wasn't a GYNE doesn't mean Cindy never took Casey to the family doctor for annual exams, check ups, well visits etc....
 
My guess is he has very little work due to his behavior in court and he's trying to clean up his image.
At the outset of the trial he knows that EVERY thing Casey has told him up to that point has been lies, yet he decides to use the most damaging lie of all, because he knows that George cannot disprove it. He's trying to backtrack now and make out that he blamed George reluctantly - he just had to since his client told him it was true! We know what the Psychiatrists said about her and it was nothing like his version. Please... if someone interviews this creep again do a bit of research so you can show him for what he is. A liar.
I'm at a loss to know why these shows keep having him on but are clueless as to his lies. The audience knows a lot more than the host!~
 

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