2008.08.21 Shirley P (Cindy's mom) Interview

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I agree she is a likable person. BUT this is about your great grand daughter who is misssing. Could be dead-dont hear much concern -no crying-no begging the police to find her-she talkks about everything-CAYLEE and where she is does not seem to be that much of a concern for her.

I don't think that's quite fair. Shirley was questioned 'on the record' about the family dynamics. We don't know what was said off the record or that Shirley didn't ask those things or that she didn't cry then or at another time. She stated that she cried every night. I have no reason to believe she lied.
 
I don't think that's quite fair. Shirley was questioned 'on the record' about the family dynamics. We don't know what was said off the record or that Shirley didn't ask those things or that she didn't cry then or at another time. She stated that she cried every night. I have no reason to believe she lied.

I agree ... I am sure that many of the people involved in this case have "cried" a little bit every night ... many, for very different reasons than what you or I would cry about!
 
I don't think that's quite fair. Shirley was questioned 'on the record' about the family dynamics. We don't know what was said off the record or that Shirley didn't ask those things or that she didn't cry then or at another time. She stated that she cried every night. I have no reason to believe she lied.

and <getting upset> was also noted in her statement to LE. It says that in the docs. Thinking about Shirley just makes me despise KC that much more, if that's even possible!
 
Yeah, ya know, this bugs me! If she actually has money maybe some things weren't lies... could be she was lied to. Really, if she has money (why in a locker at the HRH?! odd!!) it changes some of my opinions. I'd love to know if LE followed up- I sure hope so!

OLG: You were correct. JWG remembered. The text exchange was with 'doorknob' (Donov)

http://http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3430536&postcount=119

He works in a fitness club. Maybe HRH?

JWG ...You rock! Thank you kindly for the info!
 
While reading KC's text messages, I remember one exchange with a male friend who worked at afitness center. He had just 'taken' something and was a bit 'under the influnce'. They discussed this during texts and talked of KC joining the center. I cannot remember his name (but perhaps someone will) or I would link. Maybe he worked fitness at HRH?

It's in the Resource links that JWG posted recently, something called Redline?? Im:doorknob


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3430536#post3430536 Post 119, dated March 9th
 
It's in the Resource links that JWG posted recently, something called Redline?? Im:doorknob


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3430536#post3430536 Post 119, dated March 9th

There is a fitness supplement called RedLine.

http://http://pharma-help.com/vpx-redline



'Exceeding recommended serving will not improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects. Discontinue use and call a health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath, or other similar symptoms.'

Could this be what he is refering to?

KC talks of maybe joining his club. Could this be where she has the locker SP refers to?
 
LisaNY wrote
I thought they treated her kind, and SP seems to make everyone around her comfortable. I also feel sorry that she has been dragged through this mess. She definitely does not deserve it.

ITA, kudos to LE for their kindness to SP.
 
There is a fitness supplement called RedLine.

http://http://pharma-help.com/vpx-redline



'Exceeding recommended serving will not improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects. Discontinue use and call a health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath, or other similar symptoms.'

Could this be what he is refering to?

KC talks of maybe joining his club. Could this be where she has the locker SP refers to?

Paintr, I don't think it is HRH, someone posted his myspace here recently, & I believe the Fitness place he worked was in dowtown Orlando. I'll try to find it.
 
If the job at Universal was a lie, don't you think that the locker was too?? The way I read it, she STOLE the check (SP's) to pay for the cell phone because her job was supposed to buy them, then they had to buy their own & universal was going to reimburse them ...CA said she would pay her mom back then SP asked .. well where is KC's money (she should have been reimbursed by then) CA said it's in her locker at the HRH -- SP said that was the lie that KC told CA anyway but she wasn't buying it.

Did I read that part incorrectly? I am not getting where there is a load of money in a locker ... I know she lies with grains of truths, and she said she had $15000 somewhere, but with all her lies, it is hard to pick out the truth.
 
Paintr, I don't think it is HRH, someone posted his myspace here recently, & I believe the Fitness place he worked was in dowtown Orlando. I'll try to find it.

Thank you kindly,reeseeva. Donov is on the Pros ammended witness list.
 
I'm definitely on 'TEAM SP' so this isn't a bash but it seems to me she intentionally played the 'hard of hearing' act on them when her purpose was to protect CA!..She was 'dumb as a fox' with the same intention on a few other occasions..I may be off-base (?) but did LE come away with the same impression? Wish I knew!

I agree. I love this lady but I think she is very afraid of upsetting her daughter Cindy.It seemed like she said "accident" and then realized she probably should not have so she tried to wiggle out of it. Yuri Melich kind of laughs at her as if to say, "Okay, you're going to play dumb on that. You don't want to talk, that's fine." But the exchange really made me feel that Cindy had mentioned a possible accident occurring on or around June 17, 2008, which led to the death of Caylee.
 
My first thought was that maybe there was more than one incident--maybe both stories are true. Maybe Casey once used a tracking number on a birthday check to steal money, and also lifted a check out of grandma's wallet while poor Shirley was there for Caylee's party.

I mean, with someone like Casey, there are so many deceptions that it's hard to count them sometimes.

Also, when people steal the way Casey did, sometimes it takes a while for all their little tricks to come to light. That's how thieves operate. They always seem to take the "lag time" into account... they count on being far away by the time their deception is uncovered. I bet there are still more thefts or other deceptions that haven't even come to light yet.

Perhaps KC took a check farther back in the check book rather than the next one thinking it wouldn't be noticed...and maybe it wasn't right away...until the statement came in. That could have been over a month if she took it towards the end of a statement cycle or maybe didn't cash it right away...just held onto it til she "needed" it.
 
This is simple, but for most of us, it's impossible to comprehend. IF we have had any kind of affection and love from parents, a parent, a caregiver, then we feel gratitude and love for those people and we honor them with respectful actions as adults.
Since we aren't usually narcissistic sociopaths, we can't understand how Casey coudl do most of the things she did or how her parents seemingly " overlooked" them.

Let's look at this with Shirley's words in mind- Did Casey hate Cindy more than she loved Caylee? OBVIOUSLY, but Caylee was also Casey's pawn, the Ace in the hole for Casey for almost 3 years.
IF Casey could have delayed Caylee's speech or made her deaf or mute, then she might have used her trump card successfully for a few more years. Caylee was disposed of when she stopped being a compliant pawn, starting to cry over situations that were unpleasant to a child, to talk, etc.

How Casey got away with sleeping around, stealing, not working, lying about every day, drugging, drinking- it's hard to imagine, yet so simple once Caylee entered the world and was placed in CINDY'S arms.
Remember the early statement from Casey to Cindy about how Cindy held Caylee first?
This set the stage for the entire life of Caylee Marie Anthony.
Cindy transferred the love and protective feelings she had for Casey at one time in their lives onto liittle precious, innocent Caylee. Caylee was Cindy and George's chance to " get it right" with a child, albeit a granddaughter.

Casey isn't stupid, not when it comes to using what works.
What worked was threatening to take Caylee away from the Anthony household if George and Cindy didn't give into whatever Casey wanted, whatever it was. They weren't to question, or berate, or even LOOK at Casey closely, not if they wanted Caylee in their lives.
Casey stole, lied, slept around, took drugs, drank, possibly had photos on the Internet that were pornographic in nature, lied about working for at least 2 years, lied about a babysitter for at least 2 years, and from the looks of things, the Anthonys believed the lies. OR did they?
It doesn't matter what they believed about Casey's life, what they KNEW was that Caylee was the precious family member, and they would not risk having her taken out of their lives to who knows where with who knows whom with Casey.


I am absolutely, positively certain that Casey kept bags packed and keys ready to roll in that house. All she had to do was pick up Caylee and say " OK, you don't believe me or support me, WE are gone. She's mine and I'm taking her".

When that happened, the Anthonys relented because the benefits of having Caylee in their lives, and them in hers, outweighed the " problem child" that Casey had become. And there are probably short instances of fighting between parents and Casey where Casey DID leave with Caylee prior to the day she was murdered. As soon as they gave in, Casey returned with THEIR Caylee.

Casey knows how to use people to get what she wants, and she used Caylee every day of the child's life once a bond formed between grandparents and baby.

The extreme anger Casey must have felt when she left after her big fight with Cindy must have been building for so long. As well as resentment that a little snot nosed brat could get the love from her parents that she couldn't any longer. Casey traded in things and appearances. Not love. She didn't understand true love, obviously.


I agree...and I think this goes a long way in explaining the nightmare CA was dealing with.

She had a husband that seemingly couldn't hold a job, but was gambling away what CA was making, a daughter who wouldn't take on the responsibility of working to support her daughter while she herself was holding down a full time job.

What could CA have done differently? I honestly think she was trying to fix things...she was going to counseling, pushing KC to take more responsibility for Caylee, but was also caught in the middle of pushing too hard and not pushing enough due to KC's reported tirades. We saw how KC could be during the phone call right after her arrest. CA didn't have the money to fight KC for custody...nor probably any real legal basis for being able to get custody, so where did that leave her? I agree that KC used Caylee as a pawn and I think it all came down to the fact that CA loved her granddaughter and was between a rock and a hard place as to how fix the problem.
 
I really like her. She appears to be very honest, and so heavy hearted, over all the trouble that Casey has caused. She really tried her best to give the detectives everything that she could to help find Caylee, and deal with this horrible mess that Casey has forced everyone around her to be in. What a sweet, and very likable person she is. I love all Grandparents. They're so cute and very wise.

As far as Casey goes, and this may come off as harsh or mean to some of you, but I just have to say it. So please forgive me if I offend anyone or seem angry. I'm trying really hard not to let this person, so-called mother named Casey upset me like she has. But, this whole thing is so hard to believe has actually happened. But it did. I mean, how shi&*% & pathetic of a human being, do you actually have to be, to steal from your poor Grandma & Grandpa, who are barely getting by? And why? To pay for her chit chat meaningless bulls@#^ (lies, lies & more lies) on her Grandparents month to month checks. She(Casey) is a piece of work, that's for sure.

Thanks for letting me vent. I know this isn't probably the place to do that. But thanks for hearing me anyways.

:(
 
I agree she is a likable person. BUT this is about your great grand daughter who is misssing. Could be dead-dont hear much concern -no crying-no begging the police to find her-she talkks about everything-CAYLEE and where she is does not seem to be that much of a concern for her.

That is because she already knew that Casey killed Caylee and she was just answering the questions that were asked of her. She knew the police were just doing their job and she knew crying and carrying on about finding Caylee wasn't going to help. Answering the police questions WOULD help.

IMO, she was trying to tell the Dectectives, without coming out straight and saying it, that Casey killed Caylee did it . She admits to her belief that Casey killed Caylee by stating to police that "Casey hates Cindy more than she loved Caylee." Sounds like she was resigned and had accepted that Caylee was no longer with us and she wanted the police to know by saying "Casey I love you but do not like you" was telling them that she did not care what they did to her bratty granddaughter.

I think she was MORE concerned that Caylee's murderer be brought to justice. She she had to say it in a way that would keep her in a "good light" with her daughter Cindy.
 
SP was very informative and very honest and forthcoming with her answers! Such a drastic difference from CA! I cannot understand how KC (her child living under her own roof) was able to run up $45,000 of debt in CA name... although I believe it. Once again, KC was not prosecuted or held accountable for her actions - instead it was most likely "swept under the rug by CA, and denied as being a big problem." I see this as a big problem. I see it as a sign of hostility, resentment and perpetration against her mother CA. (The bills had to be coming in...creditors had to be calling...CA knew she didn't run up the debt)....my question is why not prosecute KC, get custody of Caylee and start family counseling? I guess hindsight is 20/20.


I'm just not sure she could get custody of Caylee...at least not permenantly. So, if she turned KC in for theft and KC did some time, she would most likely be able to get custody back for Caylee even if CA was given temporary custody if KC was incarcerated. Now, I can imagine CA thinking KC would never allow her to be around Caylee again if she did that. Also, CA was obviously pushing KC to be more responsible...how would KC ever find a good job with and arrest record for theft? Again, I think she was damned if she did, and damned if she didn't. I think the fact that CA was seeking counseling proved that she knew she had a problem in KC, but just couldn't figure out how to go about correcting it.
 
That is my thought on George. I can't help it, been feeling it since "day one".

Could be that KC stumbled up *advertiser censored* sites he visited. Could explain why she told others GA was cheating on CA. Maybe not another woman...but many see *advertiser censored* as cheating. Could she have had that hanging over GA's head?
 

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