TWA, I snipped your FABULOUS post (thank you so much for it, by the way) because I wanted to address the seruptitious recording of Casey with what I think is Appy Wells? I had never heard that tape before and I thank you for it, and have some questions on it, if anybody can answer. I'm afraid this may be slightly off topic for the thread, I'm sorry for that, but,...
1) When was this tape from? I know it must be sometime soon after one of the jail visitation videos where Casey told her parents she'd be willing to talk to Appy Wells, as he was the only one who'd listen to her, she says so directly to him in this tape.
2) Is there a part 3? I only see parts 1, 2 and 4.
3) In the recording, Casey expresses her concern about the Amber Alert not being activated, she says that her mother is very upset that there was none initiated, that they were told it did not meet the criteria, and they found out it did indeed (so Casey says) meet the criteria and she's outraged that it was never put out. My question is, why doesn't the officer explain to her why not? Is it because it would just fall on deaf ears? Is it a deliberate investigatory tactic to ignore the question? Is it because it's not his job to explain? I am just curious why she's permitted to go on complaining about the cops in front of a cop and he doesn't say anything to defend the reasoning, I'm sure it's for a smart and good reason, would love to know what it is. (Once I saw a book at a garage sale on FBI interrogation questioning tactics, darn it, should have picked that up!)
The whole thing with the cockroach was hilarious, by the way.
Thanks for any discussion on this recording.
I cannot locate the missing part of the tape. Yes, it was no accident that Mr. Wells was put in that car with Casey, she saw Yuri and Eric as enemies, and he as reasonable and polite to her, so if anyone would make her feel relaxed, he was a great candidate.
The thing with Casey is she fancies herself as one step ahead of LE, mentally. I laughed when she and Lee discussed that Josh Ducket ( all love to him , just using this as an example), had schooled them on how to manipulate LE and the press. She informed her folks during a visit that she will continue to talk badly about the police so that they will continue to pick and choose which visitation videos to release that don't reflect poorly on them.
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(One minute mark, she tells mom she has figured out what to say to keep things off the TV.)
So, yes, everything she did and said during that car ride and her time in the Sheriff's department with the detectives and Federal agents she saw as her opportunity to manipulate the way it would be reported. She knew that morning that Jose was going to surrender her to the department to be arrested, so even her planned attire of a sheer white blouse with a black bra tells you something. Much like the way she chose to twist her Caylee is missing t-shirt into a knot to accentuate her waist, although it distorted Caylee's little face, and certainly the number to call....what she said and wore was designed to manipulate how she wanted to be perceived.
I have to ask for help from our doctors and psychologists here, there is a name for it, but as for the ridiculous things she was asking the Federal Agent about the Amber alert, why the grand jury was not secreted well, etc.
there is a condition or mental state in which the person has an imagined attachment with the officer interviewing them. They are able to convince themselves they are talking as friendly conversation, that the other person is interested and receptive to their take on things and they are lulled into a false comfort, setting aside the reality that the federal agent, in this example, is indeed desirous of gaining an admission or confession from her, that their entire purpose and connection from her from start to finish is to facilitate a murder one prosecution and guilty verdict. The term escapes me, but you get what I am saying, the person is lulled into a false sense of safety amongst friends, lets their guard down and speaks as if they believe they are equals, friends or respected by one another. I believe it was a combination of that foolish thinking that seems to be something Cindy Jr. in stripper boots was suffering from. Her hubris that she was smarter than the lot of them , she belived...... based on what she purposely said that she knew was being recorded, the headlines would read....
Casey Anthony demands answers to why proper protocol was not followed and why the Sheriff's department failed in their duty to issue an Amber alert, and or
Casey Anthony accuses the county of corruption during an election cycle due to the release of secret grand jury convening information, we want answers.
It is spin.
This is the type of manipulation Cheney Mason hoped to effect when he proclaimed the defense had discovered over a hundred other names of people who had searched that area. Fortunately, the news cycle with that headline was brief, and even so, only adopted by few. The next day the headline was , that implication was misleading. The truth , Mr. Baez had to admit to Kathi, is that Suburban Drive is over a mile long and indeed a vast area that ninety nine percent of has zero connection with the actual remains sight and any inference to the contrary folks may have drawn was not intended by the defense, yada, yada, yada. So, in fairness to Casey, folks with far more education and experience who should know better than to insult folks intelligence, try to manipulate what is reported. Often.
This Federal officer was not in that room to question her without her attorney, she had indeed invoked in the car already. It would have been illegal for him to do so. He was there only having small talk with her, not to drill her, correct her, change her mind, educate her, nothing of the sort. He was there on the hope and the prayer that she may slip up and say something or that she may decide she wanted to waive her right to have her attorney there, and confess. That is it! I must find his interview with George for you. You will see how this federal agent sat through Cindy's hours of drivel, without correcting her, scolding her, or making her feel defensive at all. He let her talk, and talk, and talk. Not because he was weak or not aware of her lies, or misinformation, or blinders she had on. He was getting it on the record, letting her empty the bucket.... as it were. However, he was not in the least bit swayed by her warped interpretation of what Casey's half truths mean in a murder investigation. You get a glimpse into his wisdom when he tells George Anthony, your wife is very far detached from reality. She answered this written questionnaire with answers that are the utter and complete opposite of your answers, indeed he showed him. Look...she describes your daughter as honest, reliable, trustworthy and highly dependable. You on the other hand have detailed for us that your daughter lies and lies, she steals from the pair of you often, you believe and have believed for about two years she doesn't even work, you don't believe a word she says, she is a mess! (paraphrasing)
So, yes, to answer your question, it is by design that he let Casey talk. He knew it would be very demonstrative for the eventual jury to see that miss Anthony, having been arrested for the murder of her child, rather than sitting there an emotional wreck, crying in hysterics, asking for answers and details to help her understand how they know her daughter is dead, thoroughly a mess at the realization that police and federal officers are telling her the baby is dead ( regardless of who did it )......rather than any of that, she is talking completely with a flat affect, about inconsequential bull. The calmer she stayed and more she rambled on, the better for the case. It would not benefit his goal to argue with her about police procedures, it benefited him to let her continue on her path. He was Solomon like in his actions, in my view. She wasn't fooling him, she was only telling on herself. Much the way, Cindy Anthony impressed none of the federal officers or seasoned detectives with her long narrative examples of what kind of mother Casey was , because of the kind of mother SHE was. Do you recall how she literally recounted for them, how she packed a diaper bag with two sets of extra clothes, always. During potty training she always bathed Lee and Casey twice a day. She always unpacked the diaper bag as soon as they returned home, to empty the bottles and juice cups and wipe it out thoroughly for next time, etc. etc. In her mind, if she could illustrate how careful and loving she was...then HER daughter could not have done this. Indeed she said Casey and she are cut from the same cloth so Casey could no more have done this than she could of. Thy listened with manners that would make a minister's wife proud, but they were not fooled by her line of reasoning. You see what I mean? I liken it to letting a teenager go in to their long detailed account of where they were......you just let someone tell on themselves. Just know this federal agent has dealt with people far more clever than Cindy and Cindy Jr.
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(part five, the FBI agent explains to George that Cindy is NOT being realistic, she sees Casey through rose colored glasses)
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There was NO recognition on Caylee's part when the family mentioned Zanny.
( This is where the federal agent explains to George that his wife is not being realistic, that she sees Casey through rose colored glasses)
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Here Yuri tells Cindy she too has been changing her stories. Everything she ( Casey ) has told us has been a lie, we have proven it to be lies, he tells Cindy. She keeps interrupting him, she just does not, cannot hear him. Rather than listen to him with his specific examples, she does here what Casey does in the time at the Sheriff's department on the day of her arrest, she keeps changing the subject to complain about what she perceives as the wrong doing or lack of effort by LE. It is uncanny the similarity between mom and daughter. Yuri literally holds her hand and moves in closer to ask her to focus. She cannot.
It was the same for the federal agent with Casey, all he could do, and all he needed to do was let Casey have at it. Don't misunderstand his silence for weakness. He did the right thing. If he would have started questioning her, knowing she already demanded her attorney be present, he could have thrown the entire prosecution out the window.
I am not a lawyer, so I want to be sure to always mention that. This is just my understanding after carefully watching the LE officials in this case. I hope this helps.
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This is just a funny, for Joy Path. Don't worry friend, I am not impressed by pop claiming to be a former homicide detective. I was just being sarcastic. I equate him being a serious detective right up there with Dominic Casey being in any position to search for a missing child, on his very first, ever private investigation case. I do think he would fancy himself as searching his house high and low for clues, not that he would have been any more clever at it than the next guy.
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This is just a comic, please don't anyone get offended. Thank you so much Joy for being here, we value your expertise very, very much. I appreciate your education and training and look forward to your take on things!
Back to Malory, check out Lee's odd view on things. The politest thing I can say is naive and misguided, that is how I see Malory, by association, not nefarious (Malory). [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkR1xNAA3Q[/ame]
I do want to see Malory's depo, and Dominic's. I agree it may be a formality that the media has not specifically requested them, otherwise we would have them. If any of our members are friends with the local reporters, please help.
. AT THAT TIME as a tangential member of this circus, I wonder if Mallory would be trusted to "remove" stuff, destroy stuff, or even if she could have hidden anything on her person with LE present! 
