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Would this mean he was possibly offered a plea by the state or something, in exchange for telling the truth?
2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2
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Would this mean he was possibly offered a plea by the state or something, in exchange for telling the truth?
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:twocents: Emphasis by me because I believe that's a KEY point in the reality check that so many folks :maddening: have/had missed :maddening: when Caylee was discovered! Way too many good hearted folks:innocent: have no idea of the destructive process that decomposition leaves upon the human body and will assume that they are going to discover the victim "funeral home ready" or presented as some TVland interpretation!:banghead:
:crazy: Hopefully this link works:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1354&pictureid=11931
If not, it's a CLEANED up, BLEACHED/processed skull of a Caucasian female 2-3 y/o, of course enlarged to show details BUT in reality is only ~ 6.75" tall. A skull or any bone left within a sandy/silt/mud/dirt environment will begin to "weather" by staining after the "oily" condition dissipates, turning into that ecru color that one associates with the classroom skeletons. Remember also that the longest recovered bone IIRC was Caylee's right tibia @ 166 mm which factors out to about SIX (6) INCHES! :truce: IMHO as an average human being who frequently takes walks in the wooded area near my home, missing items of THAT size intermingled with woodland/swampland/trashland debris......not too hard to do; finally answering that "gut" feeling by checking out ANOTHER bag in the morass.....WAY TO GO RK! :rocker:
BTW: ALL my PERSONAL opinion, only!!!!!!!
Excellent post! Thank you!
I feel so sorry for the meter reader. He had to pee, then to kinda kick the trash bag to the side, and a skull falls out...he still had to pee. I am female, so the idea is even worse. We dont go into the woods to pee unless we really really need to go.
thank you joypath for the info on the size of the bones. I wonder if searchers are given this kind of info? I am sure I would have been looking for bones much larger than that. I would have been looking for the color of the last known thing a missing person was wearing. Like a baby, I would assume the skull would be maybe 3"? even tiny tiny bones could be under a leaf.
Has there been a trial date set? I miss court tv.
thank you joypath for the info on the size of the bones. I wonder if searchers are given this kind of info? I am sure I would have been looking for bones much larger than that. I would have been looking for the color of the last known thing a missing person was wearing. Like a baby, I would assume the skull would be maybe 3"? even tiny tiny bones could be under a leaf.
Has there been a trial date set? I miss court tv.
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Thank you JoyPath....I get so angry all over again when I read what those animals did to Caylee's remains...and the creature they refer to as her mother...:maddening:
How in the world does this family sleep at night?
Dispicable, depraved actions to allegedly do this to their own....There is a special place in HE77 for these people...JMHO
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I feel so sorry for the meter reader. He had to pee, then to kinda kick the trash bag to the side, and a skull falls out...he still had to pee. I am female, so the idea is even worse. We dont go into the woods to pee unless we really really need to go.
thank you joypath for the info on the size of the bones. I wonder if searchers are given this kind of info? I am sure I would have been looking for bones much larger than that. I would have been looking for the color of the last known thing a missing person was wearing. Like a baby, I would assume the skull would be maybe 3"? even tiny tiny bones could be under a leaf.
Has there been a trial date set? I miss court tv.
:twocents:Just to address the underlined material:
Please remember EACH search is unique, EACH search team/agency have differing protocols per se BUT I have presented & attended seminars to/with specialists in search & recovery on just the types of forensic material you question. USUALLY the protocol is "STOP & question if ANYTHING looks out of the ordinary to the surrounding NATURAL area, DO NOT TOUCH, call for a "supervisor/team-leader/(whatever titled individual), DO NOT ENTER THE AREA/DISTURB the SCENE!". The LE of record :rocker: will then take over and the volunteer/professional searcher :rocker: continues as needed.
Regarding COLOR of the clothing (and might I add SHAPE/TEXTURE): some searchers ASSUME that clothing survives INTACT the exposure to the elements, as noted from this case, which is a falsehood. Therefore, the hypothesis of :great:"out of place goes in LE's face":great: should be followed! (my little training slogan, PRN!):floorlaugh:
Regarding BONES: unlike some life experiences, here SIZE does matter! Additionally, the searchers are reminded that ANYTHING resembling the structure or color of bone (tricky to define but I usually say that I'd rather ID a twig/rock than miss an ossified piece of a victim:innocent
is to be assumed to be human until designated otherwise by some scientific specialist. Again, without being too graphic, the conditions of skeletonized human hard tissue can be varied in color , shape, and distortion from trauma (pre, peri or anti mortem) by environmental, human or animal vector:banghead:. Yes, bones are frequently found UNDER leaves, in fact UNDER many things and IN many things. One of the "fortunate" issues in this case is the absence of animal lairs/dens that would have required specialized searching techniques!IIRC
waitasec: and the memory is old & fading!:waitasec Pending trial date: jury selection May 2011, trial date: HHJP plans on May 16, 2011~:truce: BTW: just my very humble opinions :innocent:
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Would this mean he was possibly offered a plea by the state or something, in exchange for telling the truth?
I'm thinking it's more he got immunity instead. He's not being charged with a crime right now, so I don't think he could do a plea. But immunity - and help the people that didn't pay him go down - yeah, he would totally agree to that. But we'll see what happens.
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I feel so sorry for the meter reader. He had to pee, then to kinda kick the trash bag to the side, and a skull falls out...he still had to pee. I am female, so the idea is even worse. We dont go into the woods to pee unless we really really need to go.
thank you joypath for the info on the size of the bones. I wonder if searchers are given this kind of info? I am sure I would have been looking for bones much larger than that. I would have been looking for the color of the last known thing a missing person was wearing. Like a baby, I would assume the skull would be maybe 3"? even tiny tiny bones could be under a leaf.
Has there been a trial date set? I miss court tv.
BBM
orb4me, Court TV is still around... they have just renamed it truTV. Look for it in your channel lineup... if previously got Court TV, you most likely can get truTV.
http://www.trutv.com/newname.html
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:twocents: Emphasis by me because I believe that's a KEY point in the reality check that so many folks :maddening: have/had missed :maddening: when Caylee was discovered! Way too many good hearted folks:innocent: have no idea of the destructive process that decomposition leaves upon the human body and will assume that they are going to discover the victim "funeral home ready" or presented as some TVland interpretation!:banghead:
:crazy: Hopefully this link works:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1354&pictureid=11931
If not, it's a CLEANED up, BLEACHED/processed skull of a Caucasian female 2-3 y/o, of course enlarged to show details BUT in reality is only ~ 6.75" tall. A skull or any bone left within a sandy/silt/mud/dirt environment will begin to "weather" by staining after the "oily" condition dissipates, turning into that ecru color that one associates with the classroom skeletons. Remember also that the longest recovered bone IIRC was Caylee's right tibia @ 166 mm which factors out to about SIX (6) INCHES! :truce: IMHO as an average human being who frequently takes walks in the wooded area near my home, missing items of THAT size intermingled with woodland/swampland/trashland debris......not too hard to do; finally answering that "gut" feeling by checking out ANOTHER bag in the morass.....WAY TO GO RK! :rocker:
BTW: ALL my PERSONAL opinion, only!!!!!!!
Thanks for all your posts. I find them very informative. I think you would make a great witness for the prosecution because you have a way of making us (or at least me) visualize exactly what you're saying in layman's terms so that I can understand. I had no idea the biggest bone was 6 inches and how small her skull was. It truly is amazing that her body was found at all.
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BBM-The same way they can make blood money off their very own grandchild. The same way they can fly all over the place on their 'sitings' tour (set up, no doubt, in a swanky hotel, limo, meals, etc). But most of all the same reason they could dine at the Ritz with a media guy and some lawyers while CSIs were on their hands and knees digging through dirt to find every little bone, tooth, hair, etc of Cayee's. Even though they didn't confirm it was her at that time, we all knew it was. Any normal grandparent would have gone straight to the site just to be with their beloved family member or to find out any information they could. After all, that's what they had been saying for months, they just wanted to know the truth. Yea right, they wanted to hide the truth as much as possible.
A normal person would never be able to understand how they continually spit on Caylee's grave (if she even has one) then turn around and put on some poor, grieving grandparents act on every station that will have them. They are just like Casey in many ways. They love the attention, they love the money without having to work for it, they love the idea of making even more money off of the (cough) Foundation that I have yet to figure out the purpose or why they need money.
Plain and simply, I think they are are missing a conscience. They saw a chance to make easy money and they went for it, it didn't matter how and under what circumstances.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=70492546
Do we have the above transcript of DC's interview of January 7, 2009...I just realized BC was also present for this interview...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
Do we have the above transcript of DC's interview of January 7, 2009...I just realized BC was also present for this interview...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
In Dominic Casey's interview, he is asked about this and he says he was told by a psychic and he tells her name, etc. He informed Cindy of this and Cindy told him to look.
Lee tells prosecutors he was "pissed" that they were looking because as far as he was concerned they were looking for a live KC.
FWIW, I don't think KC told anyone anything about Caylee's death. She is not going to - she is a sociopath and she is not going to tell Cindy anything and when would she have done this. We saw all the videos. There is nothing there. Also, if you believe that KC killed the baby, then we have reasons for that, and imo, ONE IS Jealousy and hatred for Cindy that she showed more attention to Caylee. What would be the point of going through this if she admits it to Cindy. She wants her to suffer and said as much to Mila (inmate) or Robyn.
There is no evidence that Cindy knew about this from KC at all. I don't see it but as pure speculation.
I guess I just disagree.
Thanks.
IMO, KC has admitted nothing to anyone
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Oh man... I have been scoffing at the whole "the psychic told me to look there" claims, but I only just now realized how beautiful it is. He has given that story under oath. So that's what DC is going to have to go with on the stand. So the SA will reveal to the jury the nature of DC's relationship to KC and the defense, ask him how it is he found himself in that exact spot searching for a black trashbag full of Caylee with pavers, and get his answer on the record, in front of the jury "my psychic friend told me". Juries are really not stupid. They can do simple math. They will read that as "my psycho client told me", no 2 ways about it.
And the absolute beauty is by claiming he found out from a telephone call from a psychic, it takes any and all of that whole messy "is he covered by any Attorney Client Privilege?" debate off the table and out of the appeals court. There is certainly no privacy with a telephone psychic! And at that point it does not matter if he was really told by CA, or JB or whoever. The jury will hear "I got a 1-800 call from Miss Cleo telling me exactly where Caylee was, and how she was disposed of" They will see that direct link KC --> DC.
I don't think so. He never found her. He looked where the pavers were. But he never found Caylee.
Who do you think told him - Cindy? And KC told Cindy? Why would KC tell this to Cindy and when? She is on tape - all of her conversations? Through her attorney? JB. she did this to have Cindy suffer. If you want someone to suffer, you keep them guessing. And also sociopaths don't think you know anything if you didn't see them do it.
I don't know why it is such a big revelation that the body was where it was. It is a place KC knows, she hung out there and needed to get rid of it fast. She is not the swiftest person in the world. Where else is she going to put the body. Also, she left her car at Amscott, why not leave the body in back of the school she went to where it is overgrown and swampy; where the body could be passed over.
You have a psychic watching the show and who knows there is a swampy area not far from the house and behind the grammar school. Where else is she going to point them to. They always say - I see water, etc. No big revelation.
The whole idea is to not find the body and keep everyone ESPECIALLY CINDY guessing. She told them nothing imo.
DC would like nothing better than to have found her body. Then he and the psychic could be all over the place when this trial is over. As it stands, he found nothing.
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OK, I have a question. Did anyone ask Kronk in his LE interviews whether he ever called the ANTHONYS' "tip line"? Didn't the 911 operator back in August 2008 advise him to call the "tip line"? What if he called the As' tip line instead of LE's tip line? It has never made sense to me, if he called the tip line in August 2008, why his tip did not appear in the tips released from the tip line in October 2008.
Maybe DC was going through the tip line calls (there must have been hundreds) and in Nov. 2008 had finally gotten as far as the mid-August calls, and thought "hey there's a skull floating in the swamp by the A house" was a better tip than any he had heard up to that point.
Maybe DC was going through the tip line calls (there must have been hundreds) and in Nov. 2008 had finally gotten as far as the mid-August calls, and thought "hey there's a skull floating in the swamp by the A house" was a better tip than any he had heard up to that point.
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The whole point is a paid (or at least contracted) agent of the defendant was in close proximity to where the remains were found, with his poking stick, specifically seeking something in a black trash bag possibly near pavers.
But by claiming the psychic told him it is magic for a jury. regardless of anybodies personal beliefs on the whole subject of psychics, juries do not buy into them. As soon as someone says "psychic tip" the jury will be free to look at the relationships and will quickly form their own mappings of the connections. At that point it does not matter if KC directly told BC, or if he overheard a conversation between her and JB, or if she told Lee who told CA who told him. As soon as he steps on the stand as says "psychic" the state is not going to have to prove any chain of how that information got to DC, all they will have to do is sit there and smirk. The jury will see that DC had numerous direct and chained connections to the defendant, that he was in those and only those woods with his poking stick and his faithful videotaping sidekick, and his only given reason for being there is the supernatural. They will come to the only real conclusion possible. That DC was in those woods because he was told by one of the principles to be in those woods, and they will surmise who and where that information originated with.
Remember unlike the prosecution and the defense, juries are not there to argue facts. They are their to draw conclusions. They are free to connect the blank spaces.
Actually, he does call the tip line two days after telling a man named Alex and a man named Chris that he thought he saw the top of a skull. So DC could have listened to it. But he also gives the name and number of the psychic and we know that JA and Yuri checked that out.
But DC also says the psychic says look for pavers, and DC says he was taken far aback when he actually found pavers.
Personally, I don't know why because when I was growing up I remember seeing pavers put in areas in fields or heavily overgrown areas. It is not that uncommon.
I just don't think it is that far fetched that a psychic would tell them to look behind the school where there is water.
But AZ, DC could have listened to the tip line. I would hope he listened to the tip line at some point - but then again, he sounds like such a sleaze, I am not sure. He does implicate Amy, Ricardto and Tony in heroin addiction and we have absolutely no proof of that except what Lee says DC told him and Lee asked for no proof. Naturally, Amy is not his sister.
Actually, he did mention seeing a skull August 11th. according to the OCSO's supplemental report
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html
page 9 -10
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I think KC told JB. During the time KC was out on bond JB had her collecting DNA for Caylee, CA and KC. DC worked for JB and was told that if he found Caylee not to report it to LE. JMO but I think JB is the one who told him that. Then DC starts working for the A's. He and CA became friends, so it's possible that DC told CA what he had heard. Remember about the time of DC's search CA appeared heavily sedated in the interview. Shortly after Caylee was found JB was on Geraldo complaining that the guards listened in on his conversations with KC.
DC or JB is not going to keep a body from LE if it is found. JB is capable of not paying his child support and a host of other things, but he is not going to put himself in harm's way by hiding a body and a being an accomplice. It really isn't necessary to have these theories implicating practically all who is involved with the Anthony family.
There is enough evidence here to convict KC without it.