2009.11.06 Forensic Entomology Report Released #2

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The other thing that really kills me is the paper towels that were used to wipe up the fluid from decomposition. I remember when my daughter was young, and how much it broke my heart to wipe blood off her face from a bloody nose. How cold and callous do you have to be to clean that mess up from your daughter's rotting remains?
 
Good points...and another wrong assumption I made was that the chloroform could have been from cleaning products...I just read on the other evidence thread that there was a syringe with chloroform found! I guess I really just wanted to not believe she could be THAT heinous...I'm stunned...she's even more evil than I thought...
BBM

I haven't got to the chloroform evidence yet.

I think it is pretty clear why the charge was for first degree murder. Making or ordering chloroform in advance takes an accident off of the table.
 
Hello WS :)

Diptera Phoridae


When this family is found on decomposing animal carrion, their presence indicates that decomposition is well advanced. Phorid flies, including Megaselia scalaris, have a preference for attractant compounds associated with carrion of a week or two, to months, or even years old. One species of this is known as the coffin fly because of its ability to find buried remains. Coffin fly larvae migrate down to as much as six feet underground and access bodies, even if enclosed in a wooden coffin where it will enter the coffin and continue to produce generation after generation as long as the moisture content is high enough. This group is also responsible for colonizing bodies in mausoleums causing major nuisance if high enough populations are produced. As indicated by this behavior, the coffin fly group is very tenacious at accessing bodies in an enclosed and tight confinement. Unlike other carrion groups which have trouble penetrating bodies enclosed by barriers, this fly is very small(gnat like) and can gain access through the tiniest openings. Thus, a decomposing body in a car trunk is readily accessible to these species.
Since the majority of these specimens were recovered from paper toweling in the plastic garbage bag in the trunk of the car, an addition source for attracting these flies would have been fluids on the paper towels themselves. Given the association of towels with the car, it seems most likely that the paper toweling was used in an attempt to clean the decompositional fluids purged from the remains in the trunk of the car during very hot temps in mid June. From June 17th to June 20 temp maximums were over 90 degrees with trunk temp well in excess of that. This would lead to body fluid purging in a very short period of time of no more than three to four days from the time death occurred. The trunk of the car would exclude many of the early occurring carrion insects for an initial period and unless cleaned during darkness, blow flies could access once the car trunk was opened. This seems a likely source of the blow fly leg found in conjunction with paper toweling found in sample number 6a.
Given (1) the time line when Caylee Anthony was last seen (June 16th 2008) (2) the impounding of the car on June 30, 2008 and (3) the abandonment of the car at Amscot on the 27th of June 2008, it is likely the remains were removed from the car between June 19th and 27. This interpretation is supported by the degree day accumulation needed to initiate purging of fluids with hot temps driving the decomposition. This 35 to 40 ADD was achieved on June 19, and decomp fluids(including purge fluid) would have been present thereafter. In addition I traveled to the OC Florida crime lab to inspect the car(specifically the car trunk) in mid Dec 2008. Even after nearly six months of time passing, and with the trunk carpet liner removed, strong decompositional odor was still present.
The presence of large numbers of Phorids implies that the decomposing tissue in the trunk was accessible(not in a sealed container). If the decomposing tissue were a human body, given the high temp it would likely have preceded to the bloat stage during this interval(June 19th through 27), and considerable loss of fluids would have resulted. Because evidence of large amounts of decompositional grease(as decomposition) was not observed in the trunk, the most likely interpretation is that the body was removed after purging occurred but before decomposition preceded to post-bloat. These conditions imply that the remains were removed earlier in this earlier interval(June 19-22) rather than later(June 23-27).
Therefore, the presence of large numbers of larvae, puparia and some adults of Diptera: Phoridae, Meguselia scalaris a species of scuttle fly/coffin fly recovered from the trunk of the Pontiac Sunbird and from inside the white plastic trash bag with blue handles indicates the presence of sufficient decompositional material to attract significant numbers of this species. The presence of leg from Diptera: Calliphoridae(blow fly) species supports this finding. The phorid flies are attracted to remains which have passed into more advanced decomposition than when the calliphoridae, the first insect group attracted to decomposition are known to arrive. Due to the hot temps prevailing over the period from June 16, 2008 through July 31, 2008 decomposition would have progressed very quickly where four or more could be sufficient for decomposition to be exhibiting advanced purging of fluids with tissue break down. The car was found abandoned on June 27, 2008, at Amscot store and impounded on June 30, 2008. Thus any decomposing carrion would have most likely been removed between June 20 and June 27, 2008.

The recovery of fewer than 100 calliphorid specimens, despite extensive search, suggests that lower populations of these initial insect colonizers occurred(initial colonizers are the first to find and use a freshly dead body). Given that weather was favorable and would not prevent initial colonization, some other factor must have delayed access of these colonizers to the body. The recovery of some body parts within a plastic bag, might suggest that the entire body was wholly or partially within the bag initially. Similarly, if eggs or larvae had been manually washed off or if submersion of remains had occurred during an early portion of the period at the recovery site, initial blow fly colonization could be delayed, but this likely would not result in reduced numbers as seen here.
In a separate report I discussed entomological evidence associated with a trash bag and trunk of a 1998 white Pontiac Sunfire(owned by mother of missing child) on July 16, 2008. The observation of reduced numbers of initial colonizers is consistent with the suggestion that the body was initially stored in a location that excluded initial colonizers. Specifically the colonization pattern observed could be caused by the remains initially being in a car trunk which could exclude blow flies for a few days. Once the remains were fully exposed the calliphorids would have been less likely to conduct extensive colonization due to the change in biochemical composition of the remains, thus the remains would have been attractive to insects which prefer older decomposing remains. The phorids would have been there from the earlier colonization of the remains while in the trunk. Thus, evidence from the remains is consistent with the body having initially been stored in the trunk of the car and deposited after some decmposition had occurred.



I think Casey(maybe)tried using the shovel to lift Caylee's body.

:cow:
 
Am I reading this incorrectly?: Two hairs, one is long and blondish, one is dark and curved? Are these KC and Caylee's hairs?
Or are these the animal hairs?
 
Thank you guys for your insight...I cant read this, bugs are the one thing I cant handle...just from this thread alone I am nauseated and itching like mad...but for caylee I am reading it anyways.
 
:eek: Oh...MY... God!

Is this not the frosting on the cake? Coffin Flies...and the development of the flies from the PAPER TOWELS!

Even if we didn't have most of the existing evidence, that is more than incriminating (IMO) against KC, THIS evidence seals the deal for me. All roads lead to KC for the timeline of the "bugs" and their development. She was the one that was solely in possession of the car up until the car was abandoned at the Amscot.

Other than saying that it is "junk science" the defense can't refute the decomp fluids in the trunk of the car. According to this report, in December the car still reeked of decomp with the liner removed.

For some reason I never knew that cadaver dogs had hit on the trunk. I knew that they had it in the backyard.

Wow....just wow. I'd love to hear the Anthonys' response to this. Actually...no I wouldn't.

KC is headed for a DP sentence, forget LWOP...I can't imagine any mother (or father) on a jury that could hear and see the details that I just read and not think that anyone who would do this to their own child isn't deserving of death.

I know that many are opposed to the death penalty, but I'm sure that they would THINK it.

I am once again so saddened to hear about how that precious baby was discarded and left to rot in the elements. It's heartbreaking.


I WAS one of those opposed to the death penalty. Not EVEN my brother & SIL's murder
swayed my mind.
I am just so sickened by reading this and I have to agree that this was far worse than the autopsy report. IDK, some people just seem to scream to be executed.:sick:
 
As far as I'm concerned, the reports released today contain the smoking gun that the SA needs to get the DP. There is no reasonable doubt no matter how many dream team members will try to argue it. She is pure evil.
 
If I recall correctly, ???? they did find a hair with root in the car that was decomposed, limiting testing options, but had a 'death band' ... and it was a mitochondrial match...Caylee, Casey, or Cindy...2 are alive, one is dead...anyone know if this could be the hair? Or was it somewhere else in the trunk? I've been away too long...my memory is slipping...

Yes, you're right about the "death band" hair, but experts were amazed that they only found one in the entire trunk. Made it look a little post-facto vacuumed, if you catch my drift.
 
Hello WS :)

Thank you Angel Who Cares for this link.

The information was potentially very important because of the scientific opinion, Kealing said. He highlighted that a scientist believed that the child's remains had been dumped in June or July 2008 because of the insect colonization in the skeletonized remains.

"That would contradict the claims of Casey's defense team that someone else put the remains in the woods after Casey was locked up," Kealing said.


So the evidence shows that Caylee was in the trunk of her mother's car long enough that the first insects that are attracted to fresh dead bodies did not have access, then it proves that Caylee was then put at the remains sight only a few days after her death. That means that Caylee was dead, in her mother's car when Casey was known to be driving it around. No one else had access enough to her car to have been the one who put Caylee in the car, and the body was already at the remains site when Casey was arrested.

What will the defense team say about this? I wonder?

ETA: In Lee's statement to LE he says that Casey told him she was doing a "stake out" for several days outside of "Zanny's" apt. waiting to see if they came back with Caylee. Combine that with the evidence that proves Caylee's body was in the trunk at that time and...

...jmo...
 
Hello WS :)

In my other post I said that I thought maybe Casey used the shovel to lift Caylee's body. I had read WSers who had that theory long before this evidence was available but after reading the actual process a decomposing body goes through, my mind went straight to that shovel and the idea that to pick Caylee up(by the time Casey was ready to put her at the remains site)she was too(sorry)gooshy to handle.

I don't think the shovel worked well, though-and so she returned the shovel quickly to the neighbor and decided to keep Caylee in the trunk a while longer. Maybe this is why she got the canvas bag. She might have rolled the gooshy bag into the heartier bag by laying the canvas bag next to the garbage bag.

I saw in the docs that the "tip" or "end"(I forget the wording)of the shovel was tested. I did not see what or if anything was found. Anyone read this too and know what I speak of?

TIA.

...jmo...
 
What in God's name does KC say to her attorneys when they confront her with this??
"Getting you for a lawyer was a waste, a complete waste actually'. Then she'll give a pout and bat her eyelashes and start talking about football.
 
No wonder KC won't make eye contact with her parents in court is all I can think. I hope Caylee didn't suffer but the syringe and duct tape suggests she did.
Wow! Imagine what evidence they're saving for trial! Kudos to LE for sitting silent as the defense blows smoke about the lack of evidence and justification for the DP.
 
"Getting you for a lawyer was a waste, a complete waste actually'. Then she'll give a pout and bat her eyelashes and start talking about football.

You're absolutely right. In true sociopathic style, KC really believes she's smarter than everyone else and will get away with this. She's sticking to her same story no matter what evidence is revealed. I wonder what the A's are thinking right about now. Defensiveness and denial will probably take over because the pain would probably be too great to bear.
 
I bet KC has convinced herself that all her lies are the truth and so has her parents. KC is pure evil is all I can say and about as evil as they come IMO.
 
An aside....after reading these reports I do have to feel for GA and CA in that they are now confronted with this nauseating picture of their Caylee. Is is any wonder that none of them went looking? They would have been faced with what we are merely reading about. I DO not support their actions but this report has to be hard for them to stomach.
 
An aside....after reading these reports I do have to feel for GA and CA in that they are now confronted with this nauseating picture of their Caylee. Is is any wonder that none of them went looking? They would have been faced with what we are merely reading about. I DO not support their actions but this report has to be hard for them to stomach.

I have my doubts that Cindy or George will assign any association to what these reports say to their daughter's behavior, other than what efforts she must have undertaken to hide what she found in her trunk. Now I wonder why Casey left the garbage bag in there.
 

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