2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

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notthatsmart said:
Who is RK's current girlfriend? I mean to say that he said "we" were sitting in the air conditioning when officer Cain pulled up. I am surprised they didn't depose her while they were investigating Cain. If she was sitting in the car, she probably saw everything happen.

What is her name? Does anyone know? Is it just myth that she works at Orange county Jail?

Or is there a thread that answers this question? Please point me in the right direction.
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NTS you are too funny. I think we're goin need a bigger bus!
 
notthatsmart said:
Who is RK's current girlfriend? I mean to say that he said "we" were sitting in the air conditioning when officer Cain pulled up. I am surprised they didn't depose her while they were investigating Cain. If she was sitting in the car, she probably saw everything happen.

What is her name? Does anyone know? Is it just myth that she works at Orange county Jail?

Or is there a thread that answers this question? Please point me in the right direction.
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nts, I think the "we" (IIRC) was RK and a co-worker. Don't know the g-friends name...to my knowledge it hasn't been published. (but I may be wrong on that, I've never seen it though :crazy:) Last but not least, to my knowledge anyway..at least up until this point (how is that for a disclaimer? lol) it's just a rumor that the gf worked at the jail. NOTE~ this is just what my tired old brain can remember, but I just wanted to answer your question the best I could. :) If I'm wrong, someone will surely correct me...:yes:
 
Well I guess I don't know for sure who the other person is that was sitting in the car with him. I was just suggesting that there is another witness to what went down on Aug 13th.

I would like to know who Rk's current girlfriend is because I would like to see if she works at the jail. I am looking into all possibilities of this daisy chain that is implied in the motion.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
 
notthatsmart said:
Well I guess I don't know for sure who the other person is that was sitting in the car with him. I was just suggesting that there is another witness to what went down on Aug 13th.

I would like to know who Rk's current girlfriend is because I would like to see if she works at the jail. I am looking into all possibilities of this daisy chain that is implied in the motion.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
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To my knowledge there has never been any name proven to be RK's GF. IIRC...the person sitting in the car with him was a coworker who has been interviewed by LE.
 
sleutherontheside said:
To my knowledge there has never been any name proven to be RK's GF. IIRC...the person sitting in the car with him was a coworker who has been interviewed by LE.
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From what I remember, it was RK's co-workers that were with him that day-He pointed out the skull to them, they played with the snake, etc....That may be who he is talking about sitting in the truck with him.
 
notthatsmart said:
Well I guess I don't know for sure who the other person is that was sitting in the car with him. I was just suggesting that there is another witness to what went down on Aug 13th.

I would like to know who Rk's current girlfriend is because I would like to see if she works at the jail. I am looking into all possibilities of this daisy chain that is implied in the motion.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
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Thanks for the link, NTS. I was surprised to see RK did, in fact, walk in with the deputy to try and point out what he had seen and the officer pretty much belittled him according to RK. You can see, too, by his statement that he was using some of his basic bounty hunter/LE instincts. KC's remark to Lee, "I feel she's close to home" pretty much sums it up. RK was not the only one looking in that area I would assume because of that very statement. Even Tim Miller thought she might be there. So everything leads back to KC. JMO
 
LambChop said:
Thanks for the link, NTS. I was surprised to see RK did, in fact, walk in with the deputy to try and point out what he had seen and the officer pretty much belittled him according to RK. You can see, too, by his statement that he was using some of his basic bounty hunter/LE instincts. KC's remark to Lee, "I feel she's close to home" pretty much sums it up. RK was not the only one looking in that area I would assume because of that very statement. Even Tim Miller thought she might be there. So everything leads back to KC. JMO
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Bolds by me....In fact, LP said he was drawn into the case initially (if we are to believe he was not motivated by fame) because he felt KC knew something and would tell them.
If LP had a hunch, RK had a hunch and TM had a hunch, Gail St. John, KeithW, etc... strangers to this family...then why should it be out of the realm of possibility that CA, GA or LA had the same hunch? Perhaps later confirmed to the A's/DC by JB.
 
Just Jayla said:
Bolds by me....In fact, LP said he was drawn into the case initially (if we are to believe he was not motivated by fame) because he felt KC knew something and would tell them.
If LP had a hunch, RK had a hunch and TM had a hunch, Gail St. John, KeithW, etc... strangers to this family...then why should it be out of the realm of possibility that CA, GA or LA had the same hunch? Perhaps later confirmed to the A's/DC by JB.
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You forgot JW. She will think she deserves at least an honorable mention. Well, maybe not quite as honorable as obsessive. But she must have looked because she claims she has pictures.
 
sleutherontheside said:
To my knowledge there has never been any name proven to be RK's GF. IIRC...the person sitting in the car with him was a coworker who has been interviewed by LE.
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There seems to be a little confusion as to whether it was RK’s girlfriend or one of his coworkers. The following is quoted from RK, bottom of page 5615.

RK The next night I called again. And this is all like nine, ten o’clock at night. It wasn’t early in the day or anything like that. And then I called the tipline. And then the tipline said, “well, we’ll have somebody meet you out there.” So I went out there again after work. I drove my own car over there. We were sitting over there in the air conditioning. The guy shows up. I show him what, you know. “It’s over there.”

It sounds like he went over there around 9pm, after work, and was sitting there in the air conditioning with someone. I would guess it was his girlfriend since RK had said she made him call before. I guess it could be a co-worker, but that late in the evening it doesn’t seem likely.

This is the night where Cain had been derelict in his duty. Since there is no identification of who had been at the scene with RK, that I know of, it just makes me wonder how thorough LE has been in other areas involving RK. If LE has done a thorough investigation of RK, and has not been derelict in their duties as officer Cain was, then if the judge denies this motion it should not make a difference later on. However, if LE has not been thorough or has more incidents of dereliction of duty involving RK, then if the judge denies the motion, it may allow the defense an opening in the appeals process if KC is convicted. If the motion is as ridiculous as some seem to think it is, then why should anyone want to stop the defense from making fools of themselves in court? As for RK, the public has access to his prior bad acts, if it is allowed in court, then he will have a chance to defend himself in court. If he is completely innocent of any wrong doing, the damage has already been done, and making fools of the defense in court could be the best thing for him. On the other hand, if RK is guilty of some wrong doing, it would not be the first time a shocking development happened it a case. moo
 
Big difference between a patrolman and an investigator. Huge.
 
Okay. I've read and re-read sooooo many interviews but... I think there's an interview of the deputy who accompanied Cain, and that deputy (female I think) stayed nearer to Kronk's car, so there may be something in that interview about who was in Kronk's car.

I want to say the female deputy was Awylda McBryde, but I can't say it was her for sure. I can't even say it was a female for sure.

The only thing I can say for sure is that I don't want to search for the document LOL.

Hope this info helps though :-)

ETA: I don't remember ever seeing Kronk's gf's name, or seeing it confirmed that she works at the jail. Was it L Padilla who started that rumor? There could also be more info on this in the daisy chain thread.
 
LambChop said:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

The female officer is mentioned on page 10 of RK's statement to police.
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I'm thinking her interview is in with the Richard Cain interviews from when they were investigating him.

ETA: Maybe in here:

http://www.wftv.com/news/19334859/detail.html

Deputy Sheriff Kethlin Cutcher

Interview 1: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342290/detail.html

Interview 2: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342339/detail.html

Elizabeth Collins' interview is fun to read. God, she couldn't have cared less. I love LE but sorry, her attitude sucked.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342070/detail.html
 
notthatsmart said:
Well I guess I don't know for sure who the other person is that was sitting in the car with him. I was just suggesting that there is another witness to what went down on Aug 13th.

I would like to know who Rk's current girlfriend is because I would like to see if she works at the jail. I am looking into all possibilities of this daisy chain that is implied in the motion.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
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Well...I'm kinda glad we don't know 'cause I'd hate to see another person sucked into this needlessly. Now, if LE knows this information and wants to go after DC with what they know, then they have my blessings...cause if there is a link between finding Caylee's remains and anyone, IMO, DC would be the most likely candidate.
 
notthatsmart said:
Who is RK's current girlfriend? I mean to say that he said "we" were sitting in the air conditioning when officer Cain pulled up. I am surprised they didn't depose her while they were investigating Cain. If she was sitting in the car, she probably saw everything happen.

What is her name? Does anyone know? Is it just myth that she works at Orange county Jail?

Or is there a thread that answers this question? Please point me in the right direction.
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Maybe give Kronk's attorney a call and ask him what Kronk's gf's name is?
 
thedeviledadvocate said:
There seems to be a little confusion as to whether it was RK’s girlfriend or one of his coworkers. The following is quoted from RK, bottom of page 5615.

RK The next night I called again. And this is all like nine, ten o’clock at night. It wasn’t early in the day or anything like that. And then I called the tipline. And then the tipline said, “well, we’ll have somebody meet you out there.” So I went out there again after work. I drove my own car over there. We were sitting over there in the air conditioning. The guy shows up. I show him what, you know. “It’s over there.”

It sounds like he went over there around 9pm, after work, and was sitting there in the air conditioning with someone. I would guess it was his girlfriend since RK had said she made him call before. I guess it could be a co-worker, but that late in the evening it doesn’t seem likely.

This is the night where Cain had been derelict in his duty. Since there is no identification of who had been at the scene with RK, that I know of, it just makes me wonder how thorough LE has been in other areas involving RK. If LE has done a thorough investigation of RK, and has not been derelict in their duties as officer Cain was, then if the judge denies this motion it should not make a difference later on. However, if LE has not been thorough or has more incidents of dereliction of duty involving RK, then if the judge denies the motion, it may allow the defense an opening in the appeals process if KC is convicted. If the motion is as ridiculous as some seem to think it is, then why should anyone want to stop the defense from making fools of themselves in court? As for RK, the public has access to his prior bad acts, if it is allowed in court, then he will have a chance to defend himself in court. If he is completely innocent of any wrong doing, the damage has already been done, and making fools of the defense in court could be the best thing for him. On the other hand, if RK is guilty of some wrong doing, it would not be the first time a shocking development happened it a case. moo
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But, he's not a suspect...why should anything be allowed in during the trial? If the motion is dismissed...then they can't make mention of it at trial, right? So why should this still be food for fodder a year from now?

ETA: and I've listened and listened and listened and still can't get what the trascriber did about the "we are".
 
Well lookity here. Looks like Richard Cain not only lied to Roy Kronk about having checked out what Kronk reported, but he also lied to a fellow deputy - his own partner!!!

KC: And he say "Oh no, it's nothing. It was just trash. It was a bunch of bags with trash."

So let's see. We've had a few people say Kronk chose not to show Cain what he found, that Kronk should have grabbed Cain and marched him down to what he'd reported.

Logic follows that Cutcher, then, chose not to follow up, and should have grabbed Cain and marched him right on down in there, demanding that he prove to her it was just trash.

What does this tell us? YES! OF COURSE! Deputy Cutcher is Caylee's killer!!!

Why did it take me so long to figure this out??

Hold on - I need to send a note to Baez.

ETA: I hereby contend that there is an equal amount of circumstantial evidence against Cutcher as there is against Kronk.
 
BeanE said:
Well lookity here. Looks like Richard Cain not only lied to Roy Kronk about having checked out what Kronk reported, but he also lied to a fellow deputy - his own partner!!!

KC: And he say "Oh no, it's nothing. It was just trash. It was a bunch of bags with trash."

So let's see. We've had a few people say Kronk chose not to show Cain what he found, that Kronk should have grabbed Cain and marched him down to what he'd reported.

Logic follows that Cutcher, then, chose not to follow up, and should have grabbed Cain and marched him right on down in there, demanding that he prove to her it was just trash.

What does this tell us? YES! OF COURSE! Deputy Cutcher is Caylee's killer!!!

Why did it take me so long to figure this out??

Hold on - I need to send a note to Baez.
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