2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

[BeanE]

Yes indeedy, ladies and gentlemen, I am building my list of circumstantial evidence to prove Cutcher is the real killer of Caylee, and solve the case!!!

John Allen: what did the caller, what did he say when uh, Deputy Cain said that it was a bag of trash?

Cutcher: I don't remember. I just recall that he was upset

And there ya go, my fellow sleuthers. Solved! Cutcher chose not to investigate further and did not march Cain back into the woods, therefore, clearly, she is the real killer of Caylee Anthony!

Holy carp, she's probably ZFG!!!

Losing it I am... :angel: :dance:

ETA: I hereby contend that there is an equal amount of circumstantial evidence against Cutcher as there is against Kronk.

 

[BeanE]

This is the night where Cain had been derelict in his duty. Since there is no identification of who had been at the scene with RK, that I know of, it just makes me wonder how thorough LE has been in other areas involving RK.

For me, I'm getting infuriated reading these interviews again of the deputies - Cain and Cutcher and Collins. Doesn't make me wonder how thorough LE was regarding Kronk, because Kronk was investigated by the detectives, who've given every appearance of being competent.

But it makes me livid that these deputies were so nonchalant about this report of remains 15 houses down from the home of a missing baby whose mother was in jail and whose car had the smell of decomp in it.

These deputies were derelict in their duties to Caylee, a citizen of that area. Three of them - *THREE* deputies out there, and not a single one went into those woods despite this story and all the details being not only part of their knowledge as they worked that area, but it was *all over* the news!!!

THREE deputies!!!!

I'm livid. Poor, poor Caylee. She was worth more. God knows she was worth more than being shrugged off that way.

 

[BeanE]

Oh my God, I've got to find out if Cutcher worked that area while Caylee was alive.

If Cutcher worked this area prior to June 17, she would have had *more* of a chance of awareness of Caylee than Kronk who never worked that area until mid-August - long after Caylee was dead.

My circumstantial evidence against Cutcher may well soon exceed that of the 'circumstantial evidence against Kronk'.

While I work to determine whether Cutcher worked in the area of the Anthony home prior to June 17, I would like to notate that her partner, Cain, did indeed not only work in the area, but actually responded, in person, to a call at the Anthony home prior to June 17 2008.

 

[BeanE]

Next item in my list of circumstantial evidence against Deputy Cutcher equal to that against Roy Kronk:

Deputy Cutcher has access to *handcuffs*, just as alleged in this defense motion that Kronk does. *But* I contend that whereas Kronk's access to handcuffs is merely alleged by unsworn testimony by person(s) with a possible bias or grudge against him, Deputy Cutcher *factually* not only has access to handcuffs, but carries them on her very person for most of her waking hours.

I am further willing to contend that Deputy Cutcher has, in fact, applied said handcuffs and restrained at least one person.

 

[Harmony 2]

Next item in my list of circumstantial evidence against Deputy Cutcher equal to that against Roy Kronk:

Deputy Cutcher has access to *handcuffs*, just as alleged in this defense motion that Kronk does. *But* I contend that whereas Kronk's access to handcuffs is merely alleged by unsworn testimony by person(s) with a possible bias or grudge against him, Deputy Cutcher *factually* not only has access to handcuffs, but carries them on her very person for most of her waking hours.

I am further willing to contend that Deputy Cutcher has, in fact, applied said handcuffs and restrained at least one person.

Is she a "10"? :truce:

 

[RR0004]

For me, I'm getting infuriated reading these interviews again of the deputies - Cain and Cutcher and Collins. Doesn't make me wonder how thorough LE was regarding Kronk, because Kronk was investigated by the detectives, who've given every appearance of being competent.

But it makes me livid that these deputies were so nonchalant about this report of remains 15 houses down from the home of a missing baby whose mother was in jail and whose car had the smell of decomp in it.

These deputies were derelict in their duties to Caylee, a citizen of that area. Three of them - *THREE* deputies out there, and not a single one went into those woods despite this story and all the details being not only part of their knowledge as they worked that area, but it was *all over* the news!!!

THREE deputies!!!!

I'm livid. Poor, poor Caylee. She was worth more. God knows she was worth more than being shrugged off that way.

I agree...it is very sad that Caylee was not found sooner...and I definitely believe the deputies were remiss in their job(s)...but have we ever been told how many "suspicious" sightings they responded to? I never heard/read Cain's interview so I'm not sure it was mentioned. All I know...that officer...White IIRC...should have been given a month's paid vacation after having to read all those tips. I would have taken the gas about 25 in.

PS- and yes, Caylee deserved better. I just can't imagine what that entire department was like those first few weeks.

 

[Curious Me]

Oh my God, I've got to find out if Cutcher worked that area while Caylee was alive.

If Cutcher worked this area prior to June 17, she would have had *more* of a chance of awareness of Caylee than Kronk who never worked that area until mid-August - long after Caylee was dead.

My circumstantial evidence against Cutcher may well soon exceed that of the 'circumstantial evidence against Kronk'.

While I work to determine whether Cutcher worked in the area of the Anthony home prior to June 17, I would like to notate that her partner, Cain, did indeed not only work in the area, but actually responded, in person, to a call at the Anthony home prior to June 17 2008.

BeanE, I want to help you nail this Cutcher "who probably did it". I suggest you talk to any ex-bfs or husbands to get a clearer picture of what she's capable of. They may be able to come up with even better dirt than RK's ex-wives dished out. We'll probably find out how Cutcher forgot to send her parents an anniversary card in 1992...which must point to something. (Excuse me, couldn't resist, I'm just playing with the insaneness of this case too. Grows more bizarre everyday!)

 

[LambChop]

No way I am sticking up for the officers but that area was full of trash, officers typically have egos and some have rather large ones I might add, they felt RK was wasting their time they had more important things to do. Surprise, surprise RK was telling the truth...what would be the chances of that happening. Quite a lesson for all of the them. JMO

 

[The World According]

Next item in my list of circumstantial evidence against Deputy Cutcher equal to that against Roy Kronk:

Deputy Cutcher has access to *handcuffs*, just as alleged in this defense motion that Kronk does. *But* I contend that whereas Kronk's access to handcuffs is merely alleged by unsworn testimony by person(s) with a possible bias or grudge against him, Deputy Cutcher *factually* not only has access to handcuffs, but carries them on her very person for most of her waking hours.

I am further willing to contend that Deputy Cutcher has, in fact, applied said handcuffs and restrained at least one person.

Yes and Cain was the responding officer when the guy found the bag of stuffed animals and father's day balloon, and the responding officer when George reported the gas cans missing. He must have felt like their neighborhood Barney Phife, eh? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUbC7cmtFY[/ame]

 

[notthatsmart]

To my knowledge there has never been any name proven to be RK's GF. IIRC...the person sitting in the car with him was a coworker who has been interviewed by LE.

I am talking about Aug 13th when he meets officer cain out there. Not Aug 11th or Dec 11th

 

[notthatsmart]

From what I remember, it was RK's co-workers that were with him that day-He pointed out the skull to them, they played with the snake, etc....That may be who he is talking about sitting in the truck with him.

I was talking about Aug 13th when he met Cain out there. Not Aug 11th or Dec 11th

 

[Harmony 2]

I was talking about Aug 13th when he met Cain out there. Not Aug 11th or Dec 11th

NTS, I don't get the point... so what if the girlfriend was with him on that day?

 

[notthatsmart]

There seems to be a little confusion as to whether it was RK’s girlfriend or one of his coworkers. The following is quoted from RK, bottom of page 5615.

RK The next night I called again. And this is all like nine, ten o’clock at night. It wasn’t early in the day or anything like that. And then I called the tipline. And then the tipline said, “well, we’ll have somebody meet you out there.” So I went out there again after work. I drove my own car over there. We were sitting over there in the air conditioning. The guy shows up. I show him what, you know. “It’s over there.”

It sounds like he went over there around 9pm, after work, and was sitting there in the air conditioning with someone. I would guess it was his girlfriend since RK had said she made him call before. I guess it could be a co-worker, but that late in the evening it doesn’t seem likely.

This is the night where Cain had been derelict in his duty. Since there is no identification of who had been at the scene with RK, that I know of, it just makes me wonder how thorough LE has been in other areas involving RK. If LE has done a thorough investigation of RK, and has not been derelict in their duties as officer Cain was, then if the judge denies this motion it should not make a difference later on. However, if LE has not been thorough or has more incidents of dereliction of duty involving RK, then if the judge denies the motion, it may allow the defense an opening in the appeals process if KC is convicted. If the motion is as ridiculous as some seem to think it is, then why should anyone want to stop the defense from making fools of themselves in court? As for RK, the public has access to his prior bad acts, if it is allowed in court, then he will have a chance to defend himself in court. If he is completely innocent of any wrong doing, the damage has already been done, and making fools of the defense in court could be the best thing for him. On the other hand, if RK is guilty of some wrong doing, it would not be the first time a shocking development happened it a case. moo

I think it was Aug 13th at 15:37 hours in the afternoon. Not at night. Here is the link to Kethlin Cutchers depo.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5232688/Casey-Anthony-Kethlin-Cutcher-interview-part-one

 

[notthatsmart]

Okay. I've read and re-read sooooo many interviews but... I think there's an interview of the deputy who accompanied Cain, and that deputy (female I think) stayed nearer to Kronk's car, so there may be something in that interview about who was in Kronk's car.

I want to say the female deputy was Awylda McBryde, but I can't say it was her for sure. I can't even say it was a female for sure.

The only thing I can say for sure is that I don't want to search for the document LOL.

Hope this info helps though

ETA: I don't remember ever seeing Kronk's gf's name, or seeing it confirmed that she works at the jail. Was it L Padilla who started that rumor? There could also be more info on this in the daisy chain thread.

She is Ketlin Cutcher. Here is the link to her depo.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5232688/Casey-Anthony-Kethlin-Cutcher-interview-part-one

 

[cecybeans]

Well, BeanE sure has a point. Cain was the responding officer to the gas can incident. I'm sure GA did not lose an opportunity to talk shop, as a former LE. And Cain followed up on both the RK tips and the KW situation with the animals. So did Cain get to know the family in a way that impacted his actions?

It might make one think that Cain had a personal reason not to investigate those tips too closely (apart from the fact he had already been written up in his past for similar failure to thoroughly investigate). Either he had an acquaintance with a member of the family (could be GA or KC, one never knows), or as BeanE said, his reticence could "prove" he is as worthy of being a suspect as anyone else.

Let's remember - the other people involved were trying to get LE to pay attention to this area. Cain's actions were to keep LE away. On the face of it, it makes more sense to wonder about him than making a meter-reader with a crazy ex the subject of scrutiny.

And if you are going to take your eyes off the obvious to look at the periphery (ie off of KC and toward all others in proximity) - you still have to explain her extremely odd behavior. One would think KC would have jumped at the chance to go running to her parents as if she was all innocent and heartbroken and tell them about some horrible kidnapping. Talk about getting herself off the hook. No arrests on a whim, no bad jail food. Wonder why she went with fabricating a person instead of going with something like this? It's not like she and her family acted frightened of anyone while she was out on bail (other than the angry mob of protestors). If ANYONE had taken Caylee, KC could have and would have acted much different. She would have jumped at the chance to be on TV as the bereaved, frantic mommy looking for her child.

No, the problem with looking elsewhere for suspects is that none of it explains KC's own horrible behavior, lying to LE, giggling in jail, crying about herself, being snarky to her parents, flirting with men - none of it. Just like none of her actions before she was caught can be explained as indicative of someone who even cared. It's just gonna be too hard to sell it to a jury that anyone else was involved, and if they even entertain the idea, they will all wonder why KC's behavior and demeanor suggest she really never acted like she cared, unless she was reminded to.

 

[notthatsmart]

NTS, I don't get the point... so what if the girlfriend was with him on that day?

I was just pointing out that they could have interviewed her at least for the Internal affairs investigation on Cain. She probably has a lot of knowledge.

I did not expect that anyone would make a big joke out of officer Ketlin Cutcher.

The defense are equal respected officers of the court and I take their motions seriously. I don't see it as a joke at all. Caylee deserves respect as well as truth.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Well, BeanE sure has a point. Cain was the responding officer to the gas can incident. I'm sure GA did not lose an opportunity to talk shop, as a former LE. And Cain followed up on both the RK tips and the KW situation with the animals. So did Cain get to know the family in a way that impacted his actions?

It might make one think that Cain had a personal reason not to investigate those tips too closely (apart from the fact he had already been written up in his past for similar failure to thoroughly investigate). Either he had an acquaintance with a member of the family (could be GA or KC, one never knows), or as BeanE said, his reticence could "prove" he is as worthy of being a suspect as anyone else.

Let's remember - the other people involved were trying to get LE to pay attention to this area. Cain's actions were to keep LE away. On the face of it, it makes more sense to wonder about him than making a meter-reader with a crazy ex the subject of scrutiny.

And if you are going to take your eyes off the obvious to look at the periphery (ie off of KC and toward all others in proximity) - you still have to explain her extremely odd behavior. One would think KC would have jumped at the chance to go running to her parents as if she was all innocent and heartbroken and tell them about some horrible kidnapping. Talk about getting herself off the hook. No arrests on a whim, no bad jail food. Wonder why she went with fabricating a person instead of going with something like this? It's not like she and her family acted frightened of anyone while she was out on bail (other than the angry mob of protestors). If ANYONE had taken Caylee, KC could have and would have acted much different. She would have jumped at the chance to be on TV as the bereaved, frantic mommy looking for her child.

No, the problem with looking elsewhere for suspects is that none of it explains KC's own horrible behavior, lying to LE, giggling in jail, crying about herself, being snarky to her parents, flirting with men - none of it. Just like none of her actions before she was caught can be explained as indicative of someone who even cared. It's just gonna be too hard to sell it to a jury that anyone else was involved, and if they even entertain the idea, they will all wonder why KC's behavior and demeanor suggest she really never acted like she cared, unless she was reminded to.

Exactly and the 30 day wait. KC doesn't wait for pop tarts, I doubt she would wait for a kidnappers instructions to be followed.

For those investigating Cutcher, the spelling is odd and here is her badge number. Kethlin Cutcher # 5062

IMHO, I am sure we will see every straw grabbed at by the defense, but to me they have only shown possible connection to obstruction of justice AFTER the fact than any hint of a suspect.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I was just pointing out that they could have interviewed her at least for the Internal affairs investigation on Cain. She probably has a lot of knowledge.

I did not expect that anyone would make a big joke out of officer Ketlin Cutcher.

The defense are equal respected officers of the court and I take their motions seriously. I don't see it as a joke at all. Caylee deserves respect as well as truth.

Wait - I am confused. Are you saying she is or was for sure RK girl friend? If so, was that in her testimony? Do I need to re-read it?

 

[notthatsmart]

Wait - I am confused. Are you saying she is or was for sure RK girl friend? If so, was that in her testimony? Do I need to re-read it?

I think it is possible that Ketlin Cutcher saw Rk's girlfriend sitting in the car there on Aug 13th at 15;37 hours.

I don't know who Rk's girlfriend is. Wish I did.

 

[Bittiness39]

I think Kronk was part of a daisy chain. Having said that...KC could have cared less that Caylee was dead. KC was relieved. A very irresponsible person. A very weird situation. But no facts lead towards Kronk killing Caylee. And let's just suspend disbelief as far as we can, why would KC be afraid of a utility worker? She wouldn't. She lied and killed her child. The rest is just window dressing. NO ONE THING PROVES KC IS INNOCENT.