2010.04.17 Shoemaker says Ron and families told to prepare for funeral

[Brwnigirl]

I feel you need to know that PCSO has NOT told the family to make funeral arrangements. I know this for a fact. I have no idea where Shoemaker got his information from but it was confirmed today that this is not true.

Everyone on this thread has been so kind and worried that I felt it was better to let you all know. I did get permission to pass this on to you.

Just read this, thanks KS. Do you know for a fact if any physical evidence has or has not been found?

 

[faefrost]

What they may have said is begin to make funeral plans. Or if this is goes the way we feel it is going, you should prepare by choosing a funeral home.

When a decedent goes to the coroner one of the things they ask the family to do is choose a funeral home. The reason is, when ME testing is complete, the coroner knows who to call for purposes of taking the body into their care. The funeral home chosen by the family would transport the decedent into the care of their facility. The family then would meet with a Director to make arrangements.

If any member of LE did in fact specifically tell them to begin making funeral preperations then yeah, they 100% have some solid physical evidence of such. Most likely some form of possible human remains found at a location specified by one or more of the parties of interest in the case. I do not think they would be using the term "funeral" otherwise.

of course this may also simply be Ron's lawyer paraphrasing or misinterpreting what was exactly said in a way that is inconsistant with LE's actual meaning. Or that we are jumping all over and blowing out of proportion. LE may have simply told the family that yes they are now 100% convinced that the case is in fact a homicide and not a kidnapped or missing child case. And that the family does need to begin preparing themselves for that.

 

[KSH352]

If any member of LE did in fact specifically tell them to begin making funeral preperations then yeah, they 100% have some solid physical evidence of such. Most likely some form of possible human remains found at a location specified by one or more of the parties of interest in the case. I do not think they would be using the term "funeral" otherwise.

of course this may also simply be Ron's lawyer paraphrasing or misinterpreting what was exactly said in a way that is inconsistant with LE's actual meaning. Or that we are jumping all over and blowing out of proportion. LE may have simply told the family that yes they are now 100% convinced that the case is in fact a homicide and not a kidnapped or missing child case. And that the family does need to begin preparing themselves for that.

PCSO has not discussed anything regarding a funeral to the family.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Three possibilities, with a fourth as a twist:
1) Someone with PCSO did tell RC to begin thinking about funeral arrangements and is denying it to the higher-ups.
2) PCSO told RC that they have found or expect to find remains, etc. and RC asked about whether he should begin making funeral arrangements and the story got twisted in the retelling.
3) PCSO did tell RC to begin thinking about arrangements but didn't want that to leak because of the investigation. Hence the denial, when asked. Or they are denying it when asked directly (whether it's true or not).

What I would want to know is if RC's attorney was PRESENT at this alleged conversation. That would mean he was either telling the truth, lying, or mistaken. If he wasn't, then RC could have relayed inaccurate information.

 

[KSH352]

Just read this, thanks KS. Do you know for a fact if any physical evidence has or has not been found?

You know as much as anyone else about any evidence found.

PCSO is not going to pass any information on to anyone about what they have or don't have until all testing results are returned and they know what they have. Of course it will be told to the family first.

 

[cj1132]

KSH - please let Crystal and Marie know that my thoughts and prayers are with them and also with Junior.

I know that many people on WS feel the same way.

 

[KSH352]

KSH - please let Crystal and Marie know that my thoughts and prayers are with them and also with Junior.

I know that many people on WS feel the same way.

I will do that I promise.

 

[4Jacy]

I see no reason he can't go unless he is a suspect. If allowed, he attends the funeral with police escort and in cuffs. In listening to Shoemaker, none of us should worry about rc at all. According to his attorney, rc does not have any anger, just a little disappointed though. :waitasec:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3

OMG, Whisp, you have me ROFLOL. "Just a little disappointed." too much, what a laugh I got. Txs

 

[Emma Peel]

I'm going to stop now...
*snipped*

okay mew.
seriously. wth with the avatar?

now I have to think:

sneezy? no
bashful? no
sleepy? no
grumpy? no
doc? no
happy? no

... well then, who IS that? :waitasec:

 

[LaLaw2000]

Wait a sec.! Does everyone recall when rc was first arrested and his video from jail. He was still blaming Crystal and saying if she did it, Haleigh may pop up in Wyoming or somewhere. He, no way, was thinking or mentioning JO as the likely perp??!!

Just now catching up on this thread tonight. Sorry to interrupt any flow of posts here.

Whisperer, I remember Ronald saying that, but it was Montana he mentioned. The reason I remember that is because I had posted a theory on the theory thread that mentioned Montana and just about fell out of my chair when I heard Ronald say "Montana' on that jail tape! I even posted about it!

I am still trying to figure out Shoemaker's body language and lightedness on the video where he stated the family was told to prepare for a funeral. Just cannot get past it, and do not believe it for a moment.

MOO

 

[4Jacy]

No, Peli, they don't want to believe the terrible things and people that are out there.. People want to think when a precious child is killed it was an accident. That is to protect themselves. I have not seen this to be the case. We know deep down that it is not an accident. People don't sit in prison because it was an accident. Nor do they hide from the police when a child is missing but if they are afraid of being accused they lawyer up. Seldom if ever does a grieving parent lawyer up.

Much like the Ramsey case. They both lawyered up immediately with individual[/[/SIZE]B] criminal attorneys.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

When a case goes viral on the tabloid TV shows and on the internet, parents should have attorneys, if for no other reason than representing the parents' interests with media outlets. See, for example, all the talk about the grandmothers/great-grandmothers this week. They are talking to the media unfiltered and without advice, and therefore saying things that have the potential to cause them real trouble, even if they are telling the truth or responding genuinely. (I am not making any assessment of the truth value of anything that was said, merely noting that even the truth can come back to bite someone on the fringes of an investigation.) At some point, nearly everyone in this case had at least one attorney, including both birth parents. In a lower-profile case, lawyering up might mean nothing. And remember, all of the players also have been involved, one way or another, in drugs, and so they have all been vulnerable to arrest. Right now, the players in jail are in jail not for murder or kidnapping or child molestation, but for drugs. By definition, someone arrested for a crime needs an attorney.

We are getting OT here. To bring the lawyer talk around, the interesting question for me is why RC's attorney said that LE told RC to prepare for a funeral and what the context of that revelation was. It's maddening to get these snippets in the media without any idea of what else was said.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

I feel you need to know that PCSO has NOT told the family to make funeral arrangements. I know this for a fact. I have no idea where Shoemaker got his information from but it was confirmed today that this is not true.

Everyone on this thread has been so kind and worried that I felt it was better to let you all know. I did get permission to pass this on to you.

Thank You Ksh.

 

[debs]

Ronald's first choice for a lawyer was a criminal one, who then brought on a domestic family attorney.

Crystal's only attorneys have been family attorneys.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

okay mew.
seriously. wth with the avatar?

now I have to think:

sneezy? no
bashful? no
sleepy? no
grumpy? no
doc? no
happy? no

... well then, who IS that? :waitasec:

dopey?

 

[Indiana at Heart]

dopey?

OT- ROFLMAO it fits

 

[CarrieBean]

I feel you need to know that PCSO has NOT told the family to make funeral arrangements. I know this for a fact. I have no idea where Shoemaker got his information from but it was confirmed today that this is not true.

Everyone on this thread has been so kind and worried that I felt it was better to let you all know. I did get permission to pass this on to you.

Sorry, I just started following this case again after almost a year. Do you have ties to Haleigh's Maternal family?

Thanks for the info.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Wonder if Shoemaker will be on to discuss this tonight on NG? from her website:

Breaking News! Haleigh's dad Ron Cummings was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead, according to his attorney. Multiple versions of what happened to Haleigh emerge, one in which the girl was bound with rope, tied to cinder blocks, and dumped in the St. Johns River. Have the alleged possible murder weapons been found? Are arrests in Haleigh's murder about to happen any moment? Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments every night!

 

[twall]

Wonder if Shoemaker will be on to discuss this tonight on NG? from her website:

Breaking News! Haleigh's dad Ron Cummings was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead, according to his attorney. Multiple versions of what happened to Haleigh emerge, one in which the girl was bound with rope, tied to cinder blocks, and dumped in the St. Johns River. Have the alleged possible murder weapons been found? Are arrests in Haleigh's murder about to happen any moment? Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments every night!

Oh great, I hope not, if I listen to anymore of Shoemaker's crap my bs meter is going to break!

 

[debs]

Oh great, I hope not, if I listen to anymore of Shoemaker's crap my bs meter is going to break!

There has been a spate of BS meters breaking. I believe the company is going to issue a recall very soon.