2010.05.11 - Casey Anthony Death Penalty Motions Hearing

[legalmania]

Hi again campers. Am I alone in really really being intrigued by GA's absence today? Has he missed any hearings previously?

Certainly he may be working. Maybe his employer wouldn't allow him to take time off two consecutive days in a row. But if he had to choose only one, why on earth wouldn't he want to be there to show support during the DP hearing?

And in his absence suddenly KC makes eye contact/telegraphs messages to CA. Hmmmm. :waitasec:

Wouldn't it be interesting if GA became the first Anthony to "cross the aisle" and sit on Caylee's side? Of course even there he won't be safe from the looming bus, but it would make a statement.

I think GA is still in a fragile state and maybe he isn't ready to handle hearing about his daughter possibly getting the DP.

 

[Reagan]

LeLe, I really really wish you would stop talking about AL, KC and vibrators in the same sentences. Just cause you got stuck with the imagery in your head didn't mean you had to scar the rest of us poor souls!

Im gonna vomit. I can taste it. My mouth is all watery and gross. Ugh

 

[denjet]

..i have no idea who the woman were that were seated behind the defense table today are-------but doesn't AL often bring students to court with her?

..the one who sat WITH kc, while the rest were at sidebar---and kc gave a big hug to at the end of the hearing--------could she be j.barrett, the mitigation specialist ( baez indicated they have formed a close bond at the last hearing) present b/c today AL would be speaking of mitigating factors? do we know what j.barrett looks like?

I was wondering the same exact thing given the topics that were being discussed today ... It's obviously someone KC has come to know somehow, but who? I haven't been able to find out what she looks like ... Maybe one of you super sleuthers can figure out who she is and what she looks like ...

The info from DePaul website:

Jeanene Barrett is the Mitigation Specialist for the CJCC. Jeanene joined the CJCC in March, 2008 after having worked within the child welfare field for over eleven years. She is also a Criminal Justice adjunct faculty member at Westwood College. Jeanene received her M.A. in Social Work from the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration, M.S. degree in Human Services Administration from Spertus College, and a B.S. in Criminal Justice from Southern Illinois University, Carbondale.

http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/cjcc/death_penalty_seminar.asp

 

[Lanie]

Albert Camus - "The Stranger"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_(novel)

Wonder what literary work of fiction will be referred to/used instead of actual citing of relevant cases next motion hearing?

 

[Numbers]

Wonder what literary work of fiction will be referred to/used instead of actual citing of relevant cases next motion hearing?

I might suggest "Crime and Punishment."

 

[Lanie]

Bugs me too, bigtime ... the defense claims ignorance as to the state's aggravating circumstances yet the following motions were filed last November:

Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d)Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application (The capital felony was committed during … aggravated child abuse)
Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (The capital felony was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel)
Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case (The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification)
Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar ((l)**The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age)
Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority(*The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to advanced age or disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim)

So, again, if they have NO IDEA why the death penalty is being sought, why, oh why did they file motions BEFORE the state informed them ?????

I'm thinking the defense is looking for a much more detailed list of factors including the evidence the state will use to argue them .... which is the part I don't get ... isn't the state just being made to list the aggravating circumstances they intend to prove ???

BBM

Yes, and when the State does send the list of aggravating circumstances, be prepared for the defense to file motions asking the court to make the state explain why they feel these aggravating circumstances apply. JA stated in court today both sides need to do their job, and apparently the defense disagrees. All above MOO.

 

[Macushla]

Wonder what literary work of fiction will be referred to/used instead of actual citing of relevant cases next motion hearing?

Oh that is just too funny! Now, Lanie, you have to start your very own thread about what books do we think should be cited at the next motions hearing. Or mix and match, you list the books and we try to guess which motions they are being used for.

Thanks for a very good laugh, I needed one to help my blood pressure go down a wee bit:woohoo:

 

[LambChop]

Oh that is just too funny! Now, Lanie, you have to start your very own thread about what books do we think should be cited at the next motions hearing. Or mix and match, you list the books and we try to guess which motions they are being used for.

Thanks for a very good laugh, I needed one to help my blood pressure go down a wee bit:woohoo:

How about defenses strategy of SODDI: "Infinite Possibilities" ??

 

[Dear Prudence]

Hi again campers. Am I alone in really really being intrigued by GA's absence today? Has he missed any hearings previously?

Certainly he may be working. Maybe his employer wouldn't allow him to take time off two consecutive days in a row. But if he had to choose only one, why on earth wouldn't he want to be there to show support during the DP hearing?

And in his absence suddenly KC makes eye contact/telegraphs messages to CA. Hmmmm. :waitasec:

Wouldn't it be interesting if GA became the first Anthony to "cross the aisle" and sit on Caylee's side? Of course even there he won't be safe from the looming bus, but it would make a statement.

George and Cindy both missed last week's hearing on the budget. That really surprised me because it seems like they've been at every one prior. Yesterday when George was there Casey did mouth "Happy Mother's Day. I love you." to Cindy. So today's communication wasn't just because GA was absent.

I think George looked miserable yesterday at the hearing. You may be right about him "crossing the aisle" soon.

 

[okiedokietoo]

respectfully snipped.

The book is by an author named Albert Camus and titled The Stranger.

I find it very interesting how Mr. Camus' book relates to this case.

Albert Camus "The Stranger"
Main point in the book: facing the possibility of death does have an effect on one's perception of life

http://www.wftv.com/video/23516985/index.html

Video 2
20:13
AL
If I may draw a literary analogy, your honor wouldn't mind. This is very much like, Camus' "The Stranger" . Perhaps you had to read that in college I know I did. and In that book, a man doesn't act right after the death of
his mother and gets punished and convicted of a homicide that he had nothing to do with because his behavior was considered socially deviant.
And that is what this prosecution rests on, on actions that Miss Anthony didn't take not actions that she did.

Albert Camus believed in the philosophy known as Absurdism
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism[/ame]

Absurdism is a philosophy stating that the efforts of humanity
to find inherent meaning in the universe will ultimately fail
(and hence are absurd), because no such meaning exists, at least
in relation to the individual.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absurdism
Absurdism (noun)

a philosophy based on the belief that the universe is irrational and meaningless and that the search for order brings the individual into conflict with the universe

 

[MissJames]

This drove me battywonkers at first today...and I don't have far to go...but the more I have thought about it the more I realize...let's get as much of this heard now as possible...more time now...less time in the appeal process...

Just like allowing the Ms. Rapaport etc...Like HHJP said..."Mr. Ashton, I am just giving them some latitude right now..." almost with a wink and don't worry it will be okay (though he didn't say it)

My brain is fuzzy,but didn't AH tell LE about CA getting ticked when she saw the pics for the No Clothes party?KC was supposed to be working,IIRC,and Cindy caught her.
This wasn't about a young ,single mom who had her parents babysit so she could go have a social life.This was about about a liar and a schemer.She told her parents she was working,then went out partying and socializing,instead.Some of those times she told her parents she was taking Caylee to stay at the nanny's overnight ,while she worked.
What did she really do with Caylee? There was no nanny,so what KC did with Caylee is important.
The before pics are not about showing bad character,they are about "What were you doing with Caylee???"
ETA: I have always believed that Caylee was starting to talk more.KC couldn't get away with her little ploy for much longer,because Caylee could tell Cindy what they were REALLY doing.

 

[denjet]

BBM

Yes, and when the State does send the list of aggravating circumstances, be prepared for the defense to file motions asking the court to make the state explain why they feel these aggravating circumstances apply. JA stated in court today both sides need to do their job, and apparently the defense disagrees. All above MOO.

I tend to agree, it really sounds like the start of a lot more defense motions whining about not having the specifics they want ... :boohoo:

 

[legalmania]

Thank you!
I have no legal degrees or any other degrees for that matter but I am not having any difficulty following this case or understanding "What is going on". I feel as though I am being talked down to and I resent it.

I do have a law degree and worked for the state both prosecution and defense, but I'm always learning, the laws are constantly being amended and new cases are added daily. Every state is different, nobody knows it all, but you don't have to be a genius to read and understand what is going on in a case.

 

[whiteangora]

BBM

Yes, and when the State does send the list of aggravating circumstances, be prepared for the defense to file motions asking the court to make the state explain why they feel these aggravating circumstances apply. JA stated in court today both sides need to do their job, and apparently the defense disagrees. All above MOO.

Do you or anyone have any idea as to how the court will respond to this motion? It doesn't seem right that the State should have to for warn the defense with their every upcoming move and strategy.

 

[lauriej]

I think GA is still in a fragile state and maybe he isn't ready to handle hearing about his daughter possibly getting the DP.

..he's had that to handle since april '09, maybe he had a head's up that his "attempted" suicide ( as well as the "attempted" suicide of his alleged mistress ) was going to be brought up today ?

 

[JSR]

I might suggest "Crime and Punishment."

Love it.

One of my favorites!

 

[Lanie]

LeLe, I really really wish you would stop talking about AL, KC and vibrators in the same sentences. Just cause you got stuck with the imagery in your head didn't mean you had to scar the rest of us poor souls!

Im gonna vomit. I can taste it. My mouth is all watery and gross. Ugh

It's like when you have a stupid song stuck in your head, so you go around singing it so everyone else will have it stuck in their head, too. Misery loves company, lol.

But to stay on topic, it was a head shaker for me why in the world sex toys and male strippers would be brought into this case, along with the defense referring to the 'blue dress' photos as (paraphrasing) 'party drunk bisexual dance' photos. With all the attorneys on the defense team, you would think someone would understand the terms 'damage control' and 'minimize'...
All above, MOO, of course.

 

[mitzi]

Exactly - it shows her priorities and lack of responsibility, especially considering she wasn't working and was stealing and foisting Caylee on other family members so she could do what she wanted. And that does make her a bad mom. She was a ghastly, horrible mom.

And to add, even when KC was with Caylee, she wasn't really "with" her, since KC texted, phoned and IM'd practically 24/7.

 

[LeLe1953]

LeLe, I really really wish you would stop talking about AL, KC and vibrators in the same sentences. Just cause you got stuck with the imagery in your head didn't mean you had to scar the rest of us poor souls!

Im gonna vomit. I can taste it. My mouth is all watery and gross. Ugh

I just had to wonder why on earth AL was so stuck on the sex toy thing today..so freaking strange.

 

[ynotdivein]

George and Cindy both missed last week's hearing on the budget. That really surprised me because it seems like they've been at every one prior. Yesterday when George was there Casey did mouth "Happy Mother's Day. I love you." to Cindy. So today's communication wasn't just because GA was absent.

Thanks for that info DP--don't want to be reading non-existent kitties into all this!

I think George looked miserable yesterday at the hearing. You may be right about him "crossing the aisle" soon.

Agreed; he looks worn. I can't see him crossing the aisle until after the marriage is over. I thought they would stick it out until after the trial but the abuse allegations may hasten things, particularly if they will be brought up in open court.