I totally agree with you. However, none of that is happening here. Terris did not contest the RO and has stipulated to the divorce. No one is trying to deprive Kaine of the benefits of either action. All we are talking about here is delaying the division of assets and custodial rights. If it were the case that a delay would deprive Kaine of support payments or of custody of the baby, I would agree that there should be no delay. But the reality is that Kaine won't be receiving a penny in this divorce, he'll be paying. And it's also a reality that unless Terri is tried and convicted they will end up with some form of joint custody arrangement. So it's hard to see how Kaine is hurt by a delay that allows Kaine to hold onto his money and sole custody of the baby for a longer period.
I do not like to disagree with a fellow attorney but given that Kaine has sole custody, TH will likely be forced to pay child support. Since it is not a community property state, the assets may not be divided evenly (but then again, they may be). If this disso was allowed to proceed normally, any marital interest in their joint property would be divided. For example the house may be sold and the proceeds divided. Kaine would not be paying that, he would simply be losing part of the value of the property they own jointly, as TH would be. Kaine may end up not paying a dime, unless he chose to buy out TH's interest.
I also disagree that if TH is not tried and convicted, they would end up with some kind of joint custody arrangement. Possibly joint legal, but not joint physical. That is because TH has allowed the status quo to be created which is that Kaine is the sole caretaker of the baby. The longer that goes on, the harder it is to change, in my experience. Also, the lack of an arrest and/or conviction does not mean the allegations are false. As you know, the standard of proof is different and easier to meet in civil court and although the allegations of MFH and possible involvement in Kyron's disappearance have nothing to do with the actual disso itself, they have a lot to do with the accompanying RO and the custody orders associated with the RO and with the separate disso action. If she continues to chose to leave those allegations unchallenged, I doubt she would have any physical custody of Baby K. She would likely only have supervised visitation.
These allegations are ones that apart from a criminal case can and would be considered in connection with custody. They already have been.
I had a case where my client was almost murdered by his ex wife. There was not enough evidence for a criminal prosecution but there was enough for the court to deny the mother any form of custody.
Let me see if I can't clear up some of the issues I've read about here. Not simply your post (although it's the clearest "outline"), but of the issues that have been raised.
Oregon is a "No-Fault" state. Meaning, no-one has to prove anything at all to actually get divorced. They just file papers, and get the judge stamp, and they're divorced.
This is important because there is NO need to defend, or prove, anyone's actions, or allegations, or thoughts. They get the divorce simply on asking for it. It is heard in Civil court, by a family court judge. Bing-bang-done.
The MFH allegations, and anything to do with Kyron, are criminal allegations, and are not part of a family court hearing, inasmuch as they do not impact on the divorce.
To use the MFH allegations, one would have to bring that up in a motion outside of a simple divorce; Kaine would have to say "because she tried to have me killed, she deserves NOTHING from me."
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Respectfully snipped and BBM. As I said above, the allegations that could lead to a criminal case against TH are very relevant in a connection with Kaine's civil filings, both the RO and the disso (child custody orders).
If she pleads the 5th, can that action be made available to the grand jury?
Probably not.
Interesting. I figured there might be a division in marital assets, at least money wise, but maybe not. I didn't think she'd get any property or anything. I didn't realize she might not get any money either.
So then why all the talk (I mean in the courtroom) about how much money either of them has if neither of them has to divide it with the other? Well, I guess it could be that she might be spending his money, and is not allowed to do that because Oregon isn't a community property state? Is that right?
She may indeed be entitled to part of their property. It is not a community property state but that only means that the court is not compelled to divide all marital assets equally. The court has room to maneuver as far as how the property is divided. She has a good argument for an almost equal division if all their property was acquired during their marriage, IMO. There may be arguments against such a division as well, though.
This is what's listed as grounds in the petition for dissolution between Kaine and Terri:
Irreconcilable differences between the Petitioner and the Respondent have caused the irremediable breakdown of the marriage.
That being the case, just where does the MFHP come into the divorce proceedings? Does it at all? Yes it has to do with the restraining order, but what about the dissolution itself?
Regarding the disso, it has to do with child custody and possibly attorney's fees awards and maybe even in regards to pre-judgment control of the parties' assets.
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