2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[germaine]

gitana1
You said: I am surprised that some feel that those who loved TH should have been taking care of things and dealing with the problem for TH as if she was the poor sick person neglected by them, with no responsibility for her own recovery. * respectfully snipped for space*

Who is saying everyone should have taken care of her illness? Certainly not me? Nobody can take care of a person's illness except the person. moo

She IS sick! There is absolutely no question in my mind that addiction is a disease! none whatsoever!

It is really terrible to stand by and watch a person destroy themselves, sorry you had to do that with your friend and family. HOWEVER, when there are children involved and it's all under one roof with two grown adults in charge, there is NO justification for not seeking help. As her husband, Kaine could have taken the children out of the home, called LE, reported her to DCFS, or kicked her out. I know spouses that have admitted their loved one to an inpatient treatment center. There is no fooling around with an addict, they must know that you mean what you say and will follow through. You do what it takes to keep your children safe and nothing less. moo mho

The most manipulative people I've ever been around are addicts, they are obsessed with obtaining their next drink or drug for the next rendezvous. Drug seeking behavior is what gets them their next bottle, pill, snort, or injection. They will create illness upon illness to get the drug they want and need. It's a horrible, horrible, life for everyone, especially the loved ones. moo mho

Most hard core alcoholics and addicts don't stop the drug on their own. The pain of withdrawal, the seizures, the fear, is too great. People have a choice, they can let someone hit bottom, whatever that may be for the person, let the person destroy themselves, turn the other way, or expend the energy to provide options. They can leave or stay, they can care or not care. They can live in fear and do nothing or they can seek help. Under no circumstances should a significant other stay and subject young, vulnerable children to the life of an addict who refuses treatment. It can, and usually does, end in disaster. moo mho

bbm-

gitana addressed that imo (snipped below) and I TOTALLY agree with her that's exactly what would have happened. And having been around that block a time or two in the past, I think both Terri and Kaine knew that would have been the result. As you say, addicts are some of the most manipulative people around.

snip~

I'll add that had he done that, TH could have filed for disso and custody and likely won primary custody. It is very hard to prove someone is an alcoholic and wrest custody from them, even if they have a past DUI, especially when that someone is the mother of an infant. There is no hair follicle test for alcohol. It's he said she said and in my practice, I have known alcoholics and drug users who can hold off long enough to get through any custody evaluation. After all is said and done, they get right back to where they were before once the coast is clear. In such a case, KH would have had to sit there knowing he's not there every night to make sure his baby is okay. No, staying in the house and trying to monitor the situation is often the best course of action when dealing with such people. At least Kaine was there. He could make sure his kids were all right on a daily basis.

 

[Trt]

Do you mean another addiction of some kind? Many times addictions come in groups - nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, opiates...where there is one, another is likely. moo mho

I was speaking about Kaine's assertion that Terri was on PPD meds, but that is a possibility as well.

 

[Trt]

I'm sorry, but not saying anything, is not saying something. JMHO And, I think it will be proven in court that TH was indeed the primary care giver, be that good or bad, I believe we will all see that is a fact. We will just have to wait.

Now Im having trouble following...Terri's lawyers are speaking on her behalf. They didn't live in her home so any assertion about the care given to the children are assertions that she is making through her lawyers. If Kaine can show proof that he ws home 3-5 afternoons per week during the work week, it will be very hard for Terri to prove that she was the primary caregiver, rather than a SAHM(sometimes as she indicated that she also did a lot of volunteering at K's school as a reading specialist) who shared duties of the children with her husband that was a WAH dad. Jmo

 

[Pensfan]

Two different things. The drinking that he knew about didn't signify to Kaine that she was a potential murderer. That's the Kyron case. He knew about the drinking, but he didn't suspect Terri would harm Kyron, didn't see any warning signs of murder or abduction.

Now there's baby K to consider. The drinking, the sexting, the DUI, the murder for hire and his suspicion that she killed his son in front of the baby are all lines of evidence that Terri should not be allowed visitation of baby K.

IMO, Kaine is likely talking to a mental health provider to help him with tragedy of losing Kyron. His mental health provider likely informed him that there is a giant overlap between alcohol addiction and Bipolar Disorder. They probably also informed him that more over 1/3 of alcoholics have at least one mental illness and that many alcoholics are also addicted to some other drug. Another frightening fact that Kaine may have recently accepted is that drug addiction leads to predatory crime. Several recent university studies support this conclusion.

 

[eyes4crime]

bbm-

gitana addressed that imo (snipped below) and I TOTALLY agree with her that's exactly what would have happened. And having been around that block a time or two in the past, I think both Terri and Kaine knew that would have been the result. As you say, addicts are some of the most manipulative people around.

snip~

I'll add that had he done that, TH could have filed for disso and custody and likely won primary custody. It is very hard to prove someone is an alcoholic and wrest custody from them, even if they have a past DUI, especially when that someone is the mother of an infant. There is no hair follicle test for alcohol. It's he said she said and in my practice, I have known alcoholics and drug users who can hold off long enough to get through any custody evaluation. After all is said and done, they get right back to where they were before once the coast is clear. In such a case, KH would have had to sit there knowing he's not there every night to make sure his baby is okay. No, staying in the house and trying to monitor the situation is often the best course of action when dealing with such people. At least Kaine was there. He could make sure his kids were all right on a daily basis.

It's true there is no hair test for alcohol consumption. Alcohol is in the air and all of our hair would show some alcohol if tested. Besides, the metabolites of alcohol are what is tested for. And with hair, that gets very complicated. moo

Sorry, I really do feel there are ways to deal with alcoholism/drug addiction for the significant other, especially when there are children. Is the suggestion that people are helpless victims and have to let the addict be in control? Sorry, but I have a hard time picturing a 'helpless' Kaine. moo mho

How about getting the drunk on a video camera, staggering around, slurring words, and all but dropping the baby? That would carry a great deal of weight with LE. I'm suggesting this because Kaine has enough money to buy a small video camera and enough resources at work to get help, many people have neither. He is a male and unless he is fearful of being physically beaten, why not do some kind of intervention on behalf of his children? There are ways to get help, in the community, through work, AA meetings are just a few. moo

 

[JBean]

So you mean that Kaine was leaving the baby alone, unsupervised, for 4 to 6 hours, with a woman who drank to unconsciousness at 7 or 8pm, and then would rise, still drunk as a skunk, staggering around?

If so, I still have the same question. Where was he? Why wasn't he keeping his baby safe from danger? Why wasn't he putting his baby to bed and taking care of her needs while Terri staggered around the living room, passing in and out of consciousness?

Maybe it was teenage J's job to take care of the baby during those times, and because he was young, he didn't know how to get the baby to bed.

But of course, he hadn't been there since February.

And Kyron slept 12 or more hours a night and wouldn't come out of his room, so I'm sure he wasn't trying to take care of the baby.

I've been trying and trying to think of reasonable explanations that make sense, and I can't find any.

ETA: And I'll note (just generally, not to you specifically, trt) that I haven't accused Kaine of any crimes. I'm making observations based on info that came out in MSM media via court documents that contain Kaine's own firsthand sworn testimony in a deposition. And I haven't bashed or criticized or scorned him. I'm concerned about this baby, and I want to know what was going on in that household prior to Kyron's disappearance.

Hi beane. I think these are all legitimate questions and observations. I would actually have a couple more questions of my own if I were to see kaine.

One thing I find that is rather compelling, is that kaine put this information out there, even though it will lead to questions just like yours.

He has put himself in a somewhat defensive position, and my guess is he did that because it is accurate and he wants what is best for the child.
In a way, he has opened himself up for scrutiny, but he is not afraid of the ramifications because the greater good might be keeping the child from the mother even if it makes Kaine himself not look so great.

He could have worded it in such a way as to make himself completely wonderfully perfect, but he didn't. He wrote it as it happened, imo.
As always this is just my opinion.

 

[Pensfan]

It's true there is no hair test for alcohol consumption. Alcohol is in the air and all of our hair would show some alcohol if tested. Besides, the metabolites of alcohol are what is tested for. And with hair, that gets very complicated. moo

Sorry, I really do feel there are ways to deal with alcoholism/drug addiction for the significant other, especially when there are children. Is the suggestion that people are helpless victims and have to let the addict be in control? Sorry, but I have a hard time picturing a 'helpless' Kaine. moo mho

How about getting the drunk on a video camera, staggering around, slurring words, and all but dropping the baby? That would carry a great deal of weight with LE. I'm suggesting this because Kaine has enough money to buy a small video camera and enough resources at work to get help, many people have neither. He is a male and unless he is fearful of being physically beaten, why not do some kind of intervention on behalf of his children? There are ways to get help, in the community, through work, AA meetings are just a few. moo

BBM
Sorry, that is incorrect. Liver enzymes tests, specifically GGTP (ALT) will show presence of liver disease which is found in alcoholism.

 

[Trt]

If Terri truly were on PPD meds, she could have her doctor state that she was and that some side effects could be the ones witnessed. Then there is the fact that alcohol is
not an illegal substance and an adult is allowed to drink at home just as they are allowed to sext virtual strangers without it being a cause for taking their kids away. As our lawyers have pointed out, even with these latest revelations, Terri still may receive visitation with her daughter. Just knowing or showing that an alcoholic is the parent of your child doesn't mean that you can take their children from them.

Jmo

 

[ami]

Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
So you mean that Kaine was leaving the baby alone, unsupervised, for 4 to 6 hours, with a woman who drank to unconsciousness at 7 or 8pm, and then would rise, still drunk as a skunk, staggering around?

If so, I still have the same question. Where was he? Why wasn't he keeping his baby safe from danger? Why wasn't he putting his baby to bed and taking care of her needs while Terri staggered around the living room, passing in and out of consciousness?

Maybe it was teenage J's job to take care of the baby during those times, and because he was young, he didn't know how to get the baby to bed.

But of course, he hadn't been there since February.

And Kyron slept 12 or more hours a night and wouldn't come out of his room, so I'm sure he wasn't trying to take care of the baby.

I've been trying and trying to think of reasonable explanations that make sense, and I can't find any.

ETA: And I'll note (just generally, not to you specifically, trt) that I haven't accused Kaine of any crimes. I'm making observations based on info that came out in MSM media via court documents that contain Kaine's own firsthand sworn testimony in a deposition. And I haven't bashed or criticized or scorned him. I'm concerned about this baby, and I want to know w hat was going on in that household prior to Kyron's disappearance.

Based on his own testimony, he was identifying the problem whose scope he barely realized and trying to fix it. What's more, he reported her behavior to the authorities, documented it, took the baby from that environment and moved her to a safer one, put her on a schedule and then fought legally for her safety. He left the alcoholic and saved the baby.

 

[eyes4crime]

BBM
Sorry, that is incorrect. Liver enzymes tests, specifically GGTP (ALT) will show presence of liver disease which is found in alcoholism.

I was responding to someone who said there is no test for our 'hair', that indicates alcohol abuse. A person who has never had a drink in his/her life who has strands of his/her hair tested will test positive, it's in the air. Testing the hair for metabolites of alcohol is very complicated. moo mho

 

[Billylee]

Now Im having trouble following...Terri's lawyers are speaking on her behalf. They didn't live in her home so any assertion about the care given to the children are assertions that she is making through her lawyers. If Kaine can show proof that he ws home 3-5 afternoons per week during the work week, it will be very hard for Terri to prove that she was the primary caregiver, rather than a SAHM(sometimes as she indicated that she also did a lot of volunteering at K's school as a reading specialist) who shared duties of the children with her husband that was a WAH dad. Jmo

I will try to make myself a little more clear. You brought up two points, when I asked what you had heard Terri say. You said:

Through her lawyers. Most recent example was her assertion that it was an "undisputed fact" that she was the primary caregiver of baby K. Not accurate, according to Kaine and he and Rackner wasted no time making sure that record was made clear.


and to that I replied: And, I think it will be proven in court that TH was indeed the primary care giver, be that good or bad, I believe we will all see that is a fact. We will just have to wait.

your second response was this:

Meanwhile, Terri chooses to allow the civil court judge (the one responsible for deciding whether or not she will get to see her chid) to believe that she attempted a Murder for Hire plot against Kaine and that she is involved in the disappearance of her stepson(both items uncontested facts as it relates to the Restraining Order).

and my response was this:

I'm sorry, but not saying anything, is not saying something.

So, you are correct in that she is saying through her attorney's that she is primary caregiver. However, I totally disagree with your implication that her silence at this point is an admission of guilt.

 

[eyes4crime]

Based on his own testimony, he was identifying the problem whose scope he barely realized and trying to fix it. What's more, he reported her behavior to the authorities, documented it, took the baby from that environment and moved her to a safer one, put her on a schedule and then fought legally for her safety. He left the alcoholic and saved the baby.

Kaine married Terri and had a baby with her. Do you think she quit drinking after her DUI and resumed after giving birth almost two years ago. Drinking escalates for an alcoholic, so I guess I'm wondering why now did he decide to save baby? Why make it public information through the court system, seems he could have done this quietly. TIA

 

[Trt]

I will try to make myself a little more clear. You brought up two points, when I asked what you had heard Terri say. You said:

Through her lawyers. Most recent example was her assertion that it was an "undisputed fact" that she was the primary caregiver of baby K. Not accurate, according to Kaine and he and Rackner wasted no time making sure that record was made clear.


and to that I replied: And, I think it will be proven in court that TH was indeed the primary care giver, be that good or bad, I believe we will all see that is a fact. We will just have to wait.

your second response was this:

Meanwhile, Terri chooses to allow the civil court judge (the one responsible for deciding whether or not she will get to see her chid) to believe that she attempted a Murder for Hire plot against Kaine and that she is involved in the disappearance of her stepson(both items uncontested facts as it relates to the Restraining Order).

and my response was this:

I'm sorry, but not saying anything, is not saying something.

So, you are correct in that she is saying through her attorney's that she is primary caregiver. However, I totally disagree with your implication that her silence at this point is an admission of guilt.

Thanks for the clarification. I did not say that Terri remaining silent is an admission of guilt. My original position was that when things are brought up in a court of law about you that are untrue, you respond(IMO), as Kaine has done.

But the fact remains that Terri, through her silence, has chosen to let the civil judge believe that the two things that have been alleged about her in the RO the basis) for the RO, are true. They are uncontested facts(as per our lawyers) whether she admits to them or not. And this judge that accepts these "uncontested facts" is the judge responsible for determining whether or
not she gets to see baby K. I was speaking of how I think one *should* (IMO) respond when incorrect assertions are being made about them.

 

[Pensfan]

Kaine married Terri and had a baby with her. Do you think she quit drinking after her DUI and resumed after giving birth almost two years ago. Drinking escalates for an alcoholic, so I guess I'm wondering why now did he decide to save baby? Why make it public information through the court system, seems he could have done this quietly. TIA

Please cite your source concluding that alcohol consumption escalates with alcoholic.


Drinking does not escalate in all alcoholics. Tolerance development is what causes some alcoholics to escalate their consumption. Tolerance development is genetically determined. Since tolerance development is genetically determined, some alcoholics do not need to continually escalate their consumption.

Studies indicate that some aspects of tolerance are genetically determined. Tolerance development was analyzed in rats that were bred to prefer or not prefer alcohol over water. The alcohol-preferring rats developed acute tolerance to some alcohol effects more rapidly and/or to a greater extent than the nonpreferring rats. These studies concluded that the potential to develop tolerance is genetically determined.

Waller, M.B.; McBride, W.J.; Lumeng, L.; & Li, T.-K. Initial sensitivity and acute tolerance to ethanol in the P and NP lines of rats. Pharmacology Biochemistry & Behavior 19(4):683-686, 1983.

Lê, A.D., & Kiianmaa, K. Characteristics of ethanol tolerance in alcohol drinking (AA) and alcohol avoiding (ANA) rats. Psychopharmacology 94(4):479-483, 1988.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I was responding to someone who said there is no test for our 'hair', that indicates alcohol abuse. A person who has never had a drink in his/her life who has strands of his/her hair tested will test positive, it's in the air. Testing the hair for metabolites of alcohol is very complicated. moo mho

O.K that does it, I'm never going anywhere without a beanie on again, matter of fact I'm wearing one to bed when my hubby ties one on at night.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

It's true there is no hair test for alcohol consumption. Alcohol is in the air and all of our hair would show some alcohol if tested. Besides, the metabolites of alcohol are what is tested for. And with hair, that gets very complicated. moo

Sorry, I really do feel there are ways to deal with alcoholism/drug addiction for the significant other, especially when there are children. Is the suggestion that people are helpless victims and have to let the addict be in control? Sorry, but I have a hard time picturing a 'helpless' Kaine. moo mho

How about getting the drunk on a video camera, staggering around, slurring words, and all but dropping the baby? That would carry a great deal of weight with LE. I'm suggesting this because Kaine has enough money to buy a small video camera and enough resources at work to get help, many people have neither. He is a male and unless he is fearful of being physically beaten, why not do some kind of intervention on behalf of his children? There are ways to get help, in the community, through work, AA meetings are just a few. moo

Have you ever had to deal with alcoholism or drug addiction on your family?

Like I stated, my mom was addicted to alcohol and cocaine for over 10 years and my dad had 2 baby daughters on the home. It took him 16 years to leave her. He only did leave when the younger daughter - me - turned 16 and was old enough to live with my mother.

And do you know what my father did? He NEVER faught for custody. EVER. He removed himself from the home and let my 10 year old sister and I living with my mom.

And you know what happened? My mom got better. She has been doing well for the past 6 years and my sister, now 15, still lives with her. (I moved for college).

My dad is the LEAST negligent parent in the planet. Everyone who knows him knows how much he loves and take care of my sister and I. He lives in the same street as my mom and he completely monitor her until this day. She is like a third daughter to him.

There wan't an option for my dad. You guys have NO idea how delicate the situation gets. An addict has NOTHING. My mom had NOTHING. Her daughters were literally everything to her even though she didn't act as if we were. NO doubts that my mom would have killed herself or killed my dad if he had faught her on court to take her kids.

Do you know what my dad dealt with? He used to ask my best friend's parents to take care of me if he and my mom died. Because that's what we thought would happen a lot of times. What would be worse? His kids having their mom commit suicide?

He chose to take care of my mom and still does to this day. And it was very successful for our family. It worked and my mom never put us in danger.

Now what could have happened if he had faught her in court for our custody? Honestly, I couldn't deal with the humiliation in front of my friends exposing my mother like that. I just couldn't. And he would have won, no doubts, but what about her? It's my mother!! It was his wife! We didn't want to destroy her.

Seriously, I have a lot of respect for Kaine because this is a hard situation. The hardest.

You have no idea how unconceiveble it is to just - film the mother of your children getting drunk or sniffing cocaine and exposing her on court - it really is not easy to do that. Often times, it is easier to stick around and offer support to the addict.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Have you ever had to deal with alcoholism or drug addiction on your family?

Like I stated, my mom was addicted to alcohol and cocaine for over 10 years and my dad had 2 baby daughters on the home. It took him 16 years to leave her. He only did leave when the younger daughter - me - turned 16 and was old enough to live with my mother.

And do you know what my father did? He NEVER faught for custody. EVER. He removed himself from the home and let my 10 year old sister and I living with my mom.

And you know what happened? My mom got better. She has been doing well for the past 6 years and my sister, now 15, still lives with her. (I moved for college).

My dad is the LEAST negligent parent in the planet. Everyone who knows him knows how much he loves and take care of my sister and I. He lives in the same street as my mom and he completely monitor her until this day. She is like a third daughter to him.

There wan't an option for my dad. You guys have NO idea how delicate the situation gets. An addict has NOTHING. My mom had NOTHING. Her daughters were literally everything to her even though she didn't act as if we were. NO doubts that my mom would have killed herself or killed my dad if he had faught her on court to take her kids.

Do you know what my dad dealt with? He used to ask my best friend's parents to take care of me if he and my mom died. Because that's what we thought would happen a lot of times. What would be worse? His kids having their mom commit suicide?

He chose to take care of my mom and still does to this day. And it was very successful for our family. It worked and my mom never put us in danger.

Now what could have happened if he had faught her in court for our custody? Honestly, I couldn't deal with the humiliation in front of my friends exposing my mother like that. I just couldn't. And he would have won, no doubts, but what about her? It's my mother!! It was his wife! We didn't want to destroy her.

Seriously, I have a lot of respect for Kaine because this is a hard situation. The hardest.

You have no idea how unconceiveble it is to just - film the mother of your children getting drunk or sniffing cocaine and exposing her on court - it really is not easy to do that. Often times, it is easier to stick around and offer support to the addict.

Thank you for this.
This is why we are so confused by Terri's actions.
Why, why did she not fight for her baby, right from the get go.
If in fact she is innocent, there would be no evidence against her, she should have fought to the death, as you said your mother would have done.

 

[Pensfan]

May God bless your dad for his incredible compassion, curiousgirl. Thank you for explaining this.

 

[eyes4crime]

Have you ever had to deal with alcoholism or drug addiction on your family?

Like I stated, my mom was addicted to alcohol and cocaine for over 10 years and my dad had 2 baby daughters on the home. It took him 16 years to leave her. He only did leave when the younger daughter - me - turned 16 and was old enough to live with my mother.

And do you know what my father did? He NEVER faught for custody. EVER. He removed himself from the home and let my 10 year old sister and I living with my mom.

And you know what happened? My mom got better. She has been doing well for the past 6 years and my sister, now 15, still lives with her. (I moved for college).

My dad is the LEAST negligent parent in the planet. Everyone who knows him knows how much he loves and take care of my sister and I. He lives in the same street as my mom and he completely monitor her until this day. She is like a third daughter to him.

There wan't an option for my dad. You guys have NO idea how delicate the situation gets. An addict has NOTHING. My mom had NOTHING. Her daughters were literally everything to her even though she didn't act as if we were. NO doubts that my mom would have killed herself or killed my dad if he had faught her on court to take her kids.

Do you know what my dad dealt with? He used to ask my best friend's parents to take care of me if he and my mom died. Because that's what we thought would happen a lot of times. What would be worse? His kids having their mom commit suicide?

He chose to take care of my mom and still does to this day. And it was very successful for our family. It worked and my mom never put us in danger.

Now what could have happened if he had faught her in court for our custody? Honestly, I couldn't deal with the humiliation in front of my friends exposing my mother like that. I just couldn't. And he would have won, no doubts, but what about her? It's my mother!! It was his wife! We didn't want to destroy her.

Seriously, I have a lot of respect for Kaine because this is a hard situation. The hardest.

You have no idea how unconceiveble it is to just - film the mother of your children getting drunk or sniffing cocaine and exposing her on court - it really is not easy to do that. Often times, it is easier to stick around and offer support to the addict.

Thank you so much curious girl for the heartfelt story of what your family went through together. :hug: Your compassion and empathy are enormous. Your father made a decision to put family first and take care of his wife, addictions and all.

He must be a very special husband/father/human being to have made that choice. Not everyone can make that kind of commitment or even want to give it a try. ETA: Your mom fought her addictions and won - how great is that! What a terrific outcome.

Thank you for sharing...:blowkiss:

 

[curiousgirl2010]

No problem guys. My dad is literally a hero. But it really wasn't easy and of course he has a lot of flaws. But don't we all? He's an engineer just like Kaine. And he taught us not to hate my mother because she is sick - and not causing our family pain on purpose. I mean, what a great man to be tortured by his wife (due to her addiction) for years and still defend her to his daughters. And on top of all, my dad is one of the most successful business men in my city. He managed to do it all. I have no idea how he did it.

Things aren't perfect now. I mean, my mom is much better, but she still battles depression and we do suspect she might be bi-polar as well. Addiction is never just addiction. A mental illness triggers it. But things are as good as they can be. My dad married to an amazing women and he now has the social life he gave up for so many years. And he still takes complete care of my mom - so she doesn't feel abandoned. He could never abandon her. Like I said, it's like she's his older daughter who gives him the most trouble.

And it's funny you guys mention Terri's reaction because that's exactly what I don't get and what Kaine could never have thought about.

A million of families suffer with addictions, mental illnesses... literally it affects so many of us. And unfortunetly, a lot of cases where there is alcohol/drugs in the mix, things end up in tragedy. We've heard stories of husbands who killed wives while drugged/drunk. We've heard stories ending in accidents, deaths. Unfortunetly, it happens.

But this case goes WAY beyong an addicted women. Yes, I know what addiction does to a person. They become manipulative, dangerous, narcisistic...

However, Terri's actions are way beyond someone who is bi-polar or addicted or sick.

Her lack of response, her lack of concern for her kids, even Kyron, who was like her own, is really puzzling.

As sad as it would have been, if Terri had an abstinence or anger crisis and "accidentally" killed Kyron, it would have been more undestandable. However, the coldness of not telling Kaine what happened to Kyron... lying, manipulating everyone on the midst of a child dissapearance. That's just way different...

I understand Kaine because for him, Terri was just one more of the millions of people who suffers from mental illnesses/addiction. He didn't want to turn against the mother of his daughter. He didn't want to turn against his wife. He tried to cope with the situation in the way he knew how.

However, when his son dissapeared, everything changed. He finally realized that there was something way more troubling going on with Terri - something beyond an addiction. And honestly, once his son was put in danger and/or possibly murdered, all bets were off. He doesn't need to protect Terri anymore - now his concern is with his kids. After all, I'm sure he only protected Terri in order to protect the children.

Let's not blame Kaine. I think everything he has done since the first day of Kyron's dissapearance has been 100% honest. We saw everything unfolding in front of us. He is the biggest victim here - along with Desiree.

I just want to hear what Terri has to say. When will she start speaking?