2010.12.14 Hearing - Telephonic *Updated* Order p.5

[Tulessa]

All I can see there is the blog comments

 

[lauriej]

110 hours after what the defense is over.

..is my math correct? if so they are @ 501.36 hrs..






...payments made by JAC to P.I. J.Lyons

http://tinyurl.com/28m9g9y

Object: PERSONAL SRVCS-INDP CONTR ~ INVESTIGATIVE FEES
Vendor: JEREMIAH LYONS INVESTIGATIONS

07/27/2010 D1000033834 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,125.00
08/09/2010 D1000066497 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 760.00
09/14/2010 D1000132362 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,380.00
09/28/2010 D1000166184 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,080.00
09/29/2010 D1000169274 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,200.00
10/07/2010 D1000186404 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 817.00
10/18/2010 D1000206757 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,640.00
11/02/2010 D1000240693 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,520.00
11/26/2010 D1000287841 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,860.00
12/06/2010 D1000301883 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 669.63
12/10/2010 D1000313255 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 504.50
Total: $15,556.13

..@ $40.00 per hour, that's 388.90 hours.

..which doesn't include the payments made to lyons pre july when the rate was $50.00 per hour:

06/10/2010 D0000696413 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 945.00
06/18/2010 D0000713682 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,494.00
Total: $2439.00

..@ $50.00 per hour, that's 48.78 hours.


...but wait, the above doesn't include the $3184.00 the JAC paid to (andrea lyon's) DePaul University for "investigative fees".....P.I. mortimer smith, i presume?

http://tinyurl.com/24txqxu
Transparency Florida---Shining the Light on Florida's Budget


Fund: All Funds
Object: PERSONAL SRVCS-INDP CONTR ~ INVESTIGATIVE FEES
Vendor: DEPAUL UNIVERSITY

09/27/2010 D1000169279 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,040.00
11/23/2010 D1000287837 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,204.00
11/23/2010 D1000287841 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 940.00
..@ $50.00 per hour, that’s 63.68 hours.


hours:
388.90 + 48.78 + 63.68 = 501.36

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Okay. This is what I don't get. JAC and HHJP both knew this was a death penalty case when they allocated the initial investigative hours. But now they really know it's a death penalty case so the hours should be more generous? Generous to the point that it is immaterial how many hours they've already exceeded ~ Just add 110 extra ones on top of that. Because death is on the table. I think that fine toothed comb that HHJP has been talking about has lost several teeth!

People like JB love it when the line in the sand keeps moving in their direction because they quickly understand that it means there's really no line at all.

I'm steamed.

 

[nums24]

..is my math correct? if so they are @ 501.36 hrs..


...payments made by JAC to P.I. J.Lyons

http://tinyurl.com/28m9g9y

Object: PERSONAL SRVCS-INDP CONTR ~ INVESTIGATIVE FEES
Vendor: JEREMIAH LYONS INVESTIGATIONS

07/27/2010 D1000033834 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,125.00
08/09/2010 D1000066497 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 760.00
09/14/2010 D1000132362 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,380.00
09/28/2010 D1000166184 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,080.00
09/29/2010 D1000169274 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,200.00
10/07/2010 D1000186404 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 817.00
10/18/2010 D1000206757 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,640.00
11/02/2010 D1000240693 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,520.00
11/26/2010 D1000287841 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 2,860.00
12/06/2010 D1000301883 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 669.63
12/10/2010 D1000313255 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 504.50
Total: $15,556.13

..@ $40.00 per hour, that's 388.90 hours.

..which doesn't include the payments made to lyons pre july when the rate was $50.00 per hour:

06/10/2010 D0000696413 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 945.00
06/18/2010 D0000713682 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,494.00
Total: $2439.00

..@ $50.00 per hour, that's 48.78 hours.


...but wait, the above doesn't include the $3184.00 the JAC paid to (andrea lyon's) DePaul University for "investigative fees".....P.I. mortimer smith, i presume?

http://tinyurl.com/24txqxu
Transparency Florida---Shining the Light on Florida's Budget


Fund: All Funds
Object: PERSONAL SRVCS-INDP CONTR ~ INVESTIGATIVE FEES
Vendor: DEPAUL UNIVERSITY

09/27/2010 D1000169279 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,040.00
11/23/2010 D1000287837 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 1,204.00
11/23/2010 D1000287841 JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION 940.00
..@ $50.00 per hour, that’s 63.68 hours.


hours:
388.90 + 48.78 + 63.68 = 501.36

I believe the DePaul billed hours are for Jeanene Barrett. So they are over by 76.78 hours right now based on those calculations.

 

[NoNameLeft]

All I can see there is the blog comments

Here is a direct link to just Gabe's (reporter from WESH) comments: LiveWire. Hope this helps.

 

[lauriej]

I believe the DePaul billed hours are for Jeanene Barrett. So they are over by 76.78 hours right now based on those calculations.

...not that it matters as far as the investigative hours are concerned, if those pynts. were for mitigation, but i just realized the depaul payments, since made after july 1 should have been @ $ 40/hr. so 79.60 hrs. there and not 63.68.

...( and that is why i have you check my math nums! )

 

[ynotdivein]

Okay. This is what I don't get. JAC and HHJP both knew this was a death penalty case when they allocated the initial investigative hours. But now they really know it's a death penalty case so the hours should be more generous? Generous to the point that it is immaterial how many hours they've already exceeded ~ Just add 110 extra ones on top of that. Because death is on the table. I think that fine toothed comb that HHJP has been talking about has lost several teeth!

People like JB love it when the line in the sand keeps moving in their direction because they quickly understand that it means there's really no line at all.

I'm steamed.

EU, I am too! All your points are correct. I mean, how many times has HHJP said in open court, "death is different"? And how much more generous do we need to be with a defense team that has frittered away two years and upward of 200k... with NOTHING to show for it?

But I think His Honor is looking 20, 25, 30 years down the line here. In the short term, this is offensive to any rational mind. In the long term, it may be the best way to ensure that the citizens of Florida don't spend any more on KC Anthony in the long term than is absolutely necessary.

I do believe HHJP is placing a great deal of faith in the judicial system of trial-by-jury. I think he trusts both sides to present the best argument that they can at trial. And I think he trusts the jury to listen to the evidence, deliberate, and present a solid verdict. I hold out hope that we will see another (and non-Ito-like) side of Belvin Perry, come May 11 2011.

 

[watcher9]

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:29 pm
• First up is investigative hours motion.
• Baez says there is "a plethora of witnesses that need to be interviewed"
• 110 witnesses
• Baez does not believe they warrant depos.
• But they do need to be interviewed he says
• Baez wants computer generated reports on the witnesses that tell things like last known address and ph numbers
• JP asked for more details on the request.
• JP asks of Baez has looked at JAC guidelines for use of investigative hrs
• JP referring to a specific invoice. JP not sure if it is all reimbursable. Baez ok with that

Gabe Travers/WESH.com


• JP says he has concerns about some of the invoices he has
• Generally these are people that we have to do our due diligence -Baez
• Says prosecutors have listed all witnesses as class a. No b or c.
• JP says he is going to grant some more hours. Not clear yet how many
• JAC says defense is already over their allotted hours. Even before today.
• JP saying that he can't control how many witnesses state listed
• Says he does not believe the hours are excessive...because death is on the table.
• JAC math says hours already submitted mean Baez only has 30 hrs left. Buy JAC hasnt gone through invoices
• JP: I want this case to progress
• JP granting another 60 hrs
• JP reiterating that some of the invoice hours may not be reimbursable with taxpayer money

BBM

What was HHJP asking for details about - on the hours or on the list of witnesses that JB is requesting?

Who is supposed to be generating this list? Is this from TES records? Was JB whining about getting a list or does he expect HHJP to obtain it for him? How soon does JB think he will get it?

What about privacy concerns with phone numbers on the list?

 

[watcher9]

...not that it matters as far as the investigative hours are concerned, if those pynts. were for mitigation, but i just realized the depaul payments, since made after july 1 should have been @ $ 40/hr. so 79.60 hrs. there and not 63.68.

...( and that is why i have you check my math nums! )

Maybe you could redo your list with the changes in it just in case JAC is looking in!
We want their records to match ours!

:woohoo:

 

[beach]

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:29 pm
• First up is investigative hours motion.
• Baez says there is "a plethora of witnesses that need to be interviewed"
• 110 witnesses
• Baez does not believe they warrant depos.
• But they do need to be interviewed he says
• Baez wants computer generated reports on the witnesses that tell things like last known address and ph numbers
• JP asked for more details on the request.
• JP asks of Baez has looked at JAC guidelines for use of investigative hrs
• JP referring to a specific invoice. JP not sure if it is all reimbursable. Baez ok with that

Gabe Travers/WESH.com

--snipped and BBM

I guess what I am a bit confused about is exactly how important can this "plethora" of witnesses be if he doesn't even believe any of them need to be deposed. :waitasec:

On what does he base their "importance"? That sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

 

[SunnyinMO]

Okay. This is what I don't get. JAC and HHJP both knew this was a death penalty case when they allocated the initial investigative hours. But now they really know it's a death penalty case so the hours should be more generous? Generous to the point that it is immaterial how many hours they've already exceeded ~ Just add 110 extra ones on top of that. Because death is on the table. I think that fine toothed comb that HHJP has been talking about has lost several teeth!

People like JB love it when the line in the sand keeps moving in their direction because they quickly understand that it means there's really no line at all.

I'm steamed.

I am getting a little tired of the death is on the table statement..:banghead:..I wonder if all indigent murder defendants get all these experts and investigative hours??

 

[beach]

Thanks to all for the "real time" updates! Much appreciated! :blowkiss:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

If I'm understanding this correctly, it is utterly absurd. There are allegations of witness tampering for God's sake and Baez has not had to account for how the previous time was used...and he gets MORE hours? Am I dreaming this?? Where is the fine-tooth comb? I don't understand this. I get that he's trying to accommodate everyone to avoid appellate issues, but this is irresponsible. Jeremiah Lyons should be investigated and Baez should disclose how he's going to use the money.

ALSO, doesn't he owe money to several people? I think Dominic Casey and a post-indigency-hearing court reporter got stiffed by Baez already...and he gets more hours? People have to protest this.

 

[ynotdivein]

--snipped and BBM

I guess what I am a bit confused about is exactly how important can this "plethora" of witnesses be if he doesn't even believe any of them need to be deposed. :waitasec:

On what does he base their "importance"? That sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

RBBM.

On that, I got nothin'. I think the court is willing to entertain the defense's delusions at some preliminary cost to the FLA taxpayer, in order to guarantee a solidly un-appeal-able outcome to the case.

JB's tricks are transparent. To the State, to the court, to us, to any reasonable potential juror. At this point, with the evidence of KC's guilt stacked so firmly in the prosecution corner, why the heck not let the defense scurry around interviewing and not deposing that "plethora" of witnesses? Other than the real-time expense to the Florida taxpayer, that is...

(OK you all are right. None of this is moral. None of this is right. None of this should be happening. But it's the best our legal system can do.)

 

[Nore]

I am getting a little tired of the death is on the table statement..:banghead:..I wonder if all indigent murder defendants get all these experts and investigative hours??

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Sunnyin Mo..Boy do I agree!! he (JB) will keep milking this for all its worth.
This case is so old how would anyone trust what new "witnesses" say.Its prolonging the trial again watch and see.Take the da** DP.off and see what happens.There is no way in He77 she will walk,from what I read of Lowell she might be better(ahem) off.IMO:furious:

 

[krisskross]

RBBM.

On that, I got nothin'. I think the court is willing to entertain the defense's delusions at some preliminary cost to the FLA taxpayer, in order to guarantee a solidly un-appeal-able outcome to the case.

JB's tricks are transparent. To the State, to the court, to us, to any reasonable potential juror. At this point, with the evidence of KC's guilt stacked so firmly in the prosecution corner, why the heck not let the defense scurry around interviewing and not deposing that "plethora" of witnesses? Other than the real-time expense to the Florida taxpayer, that is...

(OK you all are right. None of this is moral. None of this is right. None of this should be happening. But it's the best our legal system can do.)

And ...I'm sure J Perry is aware of how much the State have spent in prosecuting this case which may have factored into his decision. I'm not a Florida tax payer, but I'm sure they would ultimately prefer this case was tried just one time and that no appellant court found the defense team were hampered in finding potential exculpatory evidence against Ms Anthony.


Basically Baez has till the end of the month to put up or shut up.

 

[watcher9]

And ...I'm sure J Perry is aware of how much the State have spent in prosecuting this case which may have factored into his decision. I'm not a Florida tax payer, but I'm sure they would ultimately prefer this case was tried just one time and that no appellant court found the defense team were hampered in finding potential exculpatory evidence against Ms Anthony.


Basically Baez has till the end of the month to put up or shut up.

BBM

Tick tock... t i c k t o c k... t i c k t o c k...

 

[nums24]

Perry Gives Casey Anthony Defense More Investigative Hours

http://www.youtube.com/weshtv#p/u/0/uiajUkeZStE

 

[SunnyinMO]

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Sunnyin Mo..Boy do I agree!! he (JB) will keep milking this for all its worth.
This case is so old how would anyone trust what new "witnesses" say.Its prolonging the trial again watch and see.Take the da** DP.off and see what happens.There is no way in He77 she will walk,from what I read of Lowell she might be better(ahem) off.IMO:furious:

I have to laugh at the term 'witness' every time JP used it....witness to what? There is no witness that can say anything about Casey that is going to help her. I do not believe she will get the DP. However I do believe she will get LWOP only because that is what she deserves. I truly believe she is evil, and knew exactly what she was doing........... contrary to what LP might say :snooty:

 

[ThinkTank]

110 hours after what the defense is over.

So the defense automatically gets the extra hours that they are already over, (no questions asked?) after the JAC calculates what that amount is ... then ADD 110 hours to the overage?