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I'm pretty sure there was a power wash sprayer, pesticide sprayer, vacuums, etc. I do know we had threads here for both chloroform and grave wax. Cleaning products and pesticides were discussed for the chloroform and soap and cosmetics for the grave wax.
sorry... o/t
does anyone know where the grave wax thread is?
i found a site that has some awesome pics of adipocere formation that i wanted to add. lady was in a river or some form of water for 7 months and is covered in it
i'm assuming the time spent under water (during the flood) is what caused the small amount to be found on her leg bone... i don't know if what was found on the napkins was adipocere.. doesn't sound like it.. but definitely sounds like the beginning stages. or at least the fatty acids that eventually saponify
You have all "said it all" about Dr. Vass's testimony so I will only add - I thought he was brilliant - was able to dumb down the scientific stuff so that even I could understand clearly what he was saying but unfortunately for Baez it was......................:whoosh:.........still way over his head.
I'm going to say I do believe HHJP will allow Dr. Vass's work. I just listened to Bill Schaeffer's latest video posted in Today's News and he was blown away by Dr. Vass. He says Dr. Vass provides the information that ties together all the circumstantial evidence the SA has in this case and it is immensely damning.
I'm going with that thought.
I will be shocked if the judge does not let this in. IMO, this is valid scientific....stuff (ok that's my extent of science words). Just because it hasn't been used before, there is a first time for everything to become standard.
ETA: I just read RH's blog entry re Dr. Vass....and I see where this could actually be an uphill battle.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
I do think JB has confused the goal of scientists with that of certain types of attorneys, doctors, etc. Scientists are obsessed with finding the answers to things that we would think is boring. For the most part money is not their main priority, that's the job of administration.
The "cool" statement just goes right over JB's head. Funny. It's like JB just got run over by a steamroller. jmo
I haven't had a chance to read the thread. I just finished watching the testimony of Dr Vass for the first time and wanted to (((((scream))))) say a few things
First off, why didn't the DT scientific shred the Dr guru aka DCS cross examine this witness? Wasn't she the one who submitted whatever she submitted, late as per course, at the last hearing regarding air testing or Frye on yellow lined paper?
Why was she there if not to take on the forensics??? Does JB need a DP qualified babysitter during preliminary hearings too?
Who does JB think he is questioning the ethics of someone like Dr Vass? Especially while he's under investigation by his Bar for discretions that could have him disbarred. It was surreal to watch him attempt to suggest that an instrument that was never used in this case, may earn Dr Vass a shared portion of a 15% royalty after 20+ years of accumulated work and testing has gone into it. This from the media w**re with 3 years experience who can't manage his parking tickets. Pompous puffed up....never mind.
Unless Universities work very differently in the US than they do in Canada, it is the University that would own any patent, not the individual researcher employed there. He is being offered a share of royalties and rightly so.
If Dr Vass was ever motivated to get rich, he probably wouldn't have selected to develop expertise in the chemical components of human decomposition working in a University Lab. He'd be working for DuPont on new and improved penile implants and earning several million per year before profit sharing IMHO. What I saw was a man driven by the joy of scientific discovery loyal to the people who have allowed him to engage in his passion while his family grew.
I really don't understand why any of the DT cross examination was allowed today. JB didn't even have the grace to greet Dr Vass. I have no idea what purpose DCS serves except to answer ICA's questions. I'm just at a loss.
I will say this.....in my world, a Doctor with 3 years experience in general surgery would never be allowed to hone craniotomy skills on a living patient ever, let alone while neurosurgeons napped in the corner or played with their laptops. ICA should snap out of her paralegal fantasy world long enough to absorb whats happening around her before her chance at pleading for her sad life is over.
moo
Dr Vass is an amazing witness. I actually understood everything he explained right up until JB started up and even then I still understood Dr Vass![]()
There have been far too many cases of children suffocating in the back seat of a car imo for Casey not to realize she was playing Russian roulette with her daughters life by putting her in the trunk. The flurry of phone calls have always made me think she wanted a babysitter and if the argument the night before is true it explains George and Cindy ignoring her calls. I can visualize Casey in a rage thinking well fine then this is what I'll do. Imo premeditation is still there because she had plenty of time to consider the consequences of what she was doing.
I don't think the research on 'neckbreaking' was meant for little Caylee. I think the initial research for chloroform and neckbreaking was geared towards her parents.
Casey had been promising Amy that the two of them would soon be living in her parent's home. She told her the parents were 'moving away.' I think she planned to kill them and thought she could just live in the home and continue on.
Dr. Vass appearance in court last Thursday so impressed me that it might have inspired me to study forensics if I was 50 years younger, but since I am not, it inspired me in another way.
After watching Dr. Vass's testamony I looked up the University of Tennessee's Forensic Anthropology Center web page and liked what I saw; so have filled out the it is donation forms and told my lawyer and my oldest son that it is where I want my body donated.
I have always thought modern embalming and burial practices a huge waste and had considered donating my body to science, but had heard so many antidotes about medical students playing practical jokes with body parts of donated corpse to feel happy about turning my body over to a medical school. But after seeing Dr Vass and reading about the work they are doing from their website, I feel very good about furthering the study of forensics in this way.
Sorry if already addressed:
I posted here earlier that I thought Val could do a great job of supporting Dr. V's testimony in chrystal clear terms-And she has.
Not to say that Dr. Vass did not do a tremendous job, that was never what I was insinuating....but, well, see Valhalls' site. She gave Dr. Vass a great assist.
Additionally, and not that Val is not a polite gal, but she sees through Baez's garbage wheras Dr. Vass was attempting a polite discussion with Baez. Val cuts the crap, sure wish she was on the stand with Dr. Vass. Unlike the good doctor, she knows exactly where this defense is going with all of this at the end of the day and she's on the offense....sooooo....
Hope this is the right thread for an "independent" testing of carpet ...
Straight from HinkyMeter:
Synthetic Carpet Exposed to Residential Chemicals and Expired Volatile Anesthetic Agent- A Random Analysis of Gross Morphological Changes and Odor Emission (Junk Science)
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Hope this is the right thread for an "independent" testing of carpet ...
Straight from HinkyMeter:
Synthetic Carpet Exposed to Residential Chemicals and Expired Volatile Anesthetic Agent- A Random Analysis of Gross Morphological Changes and Odor Emission (Junk Science)
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
i always assumed that the high levels of chloroform found in the trunk were due to some cleaner they used on the stain.. i never rally thought she actually used chloroform on caylee.. however, it sounds like dr. vass is convinced she did.. so that's enough for me!
what did he say? the level found was 10,000 times greater han you'd expect to see?
they never tested for the exact amount.. it was off the chart.
but HOW? i sat thru a youtube video "how to make chloroform" and it seemed like way too much work for her.. you mix bleach and acetone.. cook it and the chloroform settles at the bottom, acetone on top. maybe that's where the syringe comes in?
but maybe that's it... she was sloppy and that's why it ended so badly?
omg could you imagine what people would think if they went thru half of our computers?
how do you explain all the stuff we've looked up? adipocere, chloroform etc. :/
Hope this is the right thread for an "independent" testing of carpet ...
Straight from HinkyMeter:
Synthetic Carpet Exposed to Residential Chemicals and Expired Volatile Anesthetic Agent- A Random Analysis of Gross Morphological Changes and Odor Emission (Junk Science)
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
I thought it was kind of interesting over at the Hinky that Valhall is :waitasec: if the chloroform is a by product - or off gas - of some kind of bug spray/pesticide "someone" sprayed into the trunk to get rid of any flies or bugs....
This is KC we are talking about. Where did she get the chloroform? If it was in fact actual full strength chloroform and not some weird chemical byproduct, then she probably stole it from one of her shady party friends.