2011.05.27 TRIAL Day Four (Afternoon Session)

[January.]

I love the extra details he's giving to further imply there was nothing in that bag that would cause the decomp odor- how he effortlessly threw it with his left hand. Great witness!

 

[Eidetic]

I don't like him saying that there wasn't a chicken in the bag as the source of the smell. He just said human decomp smell was unique. :maddening:

I believe he was talking weight wise. The bag was light, not as if there were a half a chicken etc. (sounds like my husband, always thinking about food even when describing the weight of something lol)

 

[TonyGatto]

Wouldn't the document te Anthony's received in the mail regarding the car tell them to bring gas along with other things necessary to release the car? Seems like the tow yard would know the car was out of gas and wouldn't want te A's coming down and not able to take the car. Just wondering because I know that's where JB is going to go with this :/

How would they know it was out of gas?

 

[nursebeeme]

defense is up

 

[suzihawk]

The talking heads on In Session keep questioning why Tony et al didn't smell the body when they rode in the car since Caylee was killed on the 16th. I think she stashed it in the playhouse or in the woods right after she died and then went back for the body, carrying it around with her until finally disposing of it where it was found.

I've always felt she put poor Caylee in the sand box for a time. Maybe while she went over to borrow the shovel from the neighbor? The sand box was a large plastic turtle with a lid. I remember when Greta toured the back yard and opened the lid of that sandbox. Chills went up my spine at the time. IIRC the cadaver dogs hit on it as well.

 

[ami]

SA done with direct on Birch.

 

[Intermezzo]

He was thrust into a very tragic and public case. It would be traumatic. I'd think I'd remember everything about it.

I was giving a compliment .

 

[sleutherontheside]

JB up on cross.

 

[fifteen89]

He remembers throwing the garbage bag over the fence with his left hand even though he's right handed? (Not accusing of anything, just seems odd?) Yet doesn't remember who (he or George) opened the bag?

 

[tehcloser]

There goes another part of the DT's ridiculous theory. If GA had any part of this, there is NO WAY he suggests opening that bag in front of Mr. Birch.

I see the DT jumping on the fact it was SIMON who said open the trunk..........it makes me wonder why in the heck GA didn't open it immediately since he knew Caylee was missing. DT will say he knew and knew what the smell was and just wanted to get the hello out of dodge.

 

[Chiquita71]

HHJP: bring in the witness heed during lunch? Okay continue.

LDB: did you preceed to the car with either mr or mrs anthony?

yes

LDB: before we get to that, when you send paperwork to the owner does it include instructions for what they should bring with them?

not my department.

LDB: does everyone bring id?

yes

LDB: does the letter instruct how much per day it will accrew daily?

daily yes.

LDB: do you recall the daily rate?

25 dollars a day I believe.

LDB: which anthony go to car with?

George Anthony

LDB: Would that cropping of the pic show the area from where you would have to go to get to the car?

yes

LDB: if you could tell us the pathway to the car.

HHJP: members of the jury can you see it?

Jury: yes.

LDB: you said the area where you had to walk from is displayed?

yes

LDB: can you give us a pathway?

the back enterence is here, here you open just enough for someone to walk thru to a closed gate, walk to the closed buildings here, to the car here. fifteen seconds twenty seconds. the gates are not locked during the day but they are closed.

LDB: did you walk in silence?

no, when I opened the gate mr. Anthony said he would. he said sorry for his wife's outbursts, he was calm and humble we see it day in and out...he said granddaughter has been missing for a long time, in my opinion he was venting and I didn't pry and I let him vent. almost everyone who comes to that yard is not having a good day...he said we will get divorced over this, I just listened.

LDB: when you got to car, what did you observe?

I asked if he had the keys, I would have indicated how to drive out of the car, policy that is what we did everytime, I expected him to get in the car and drive away.

LDB: other than the keys did mr anthony have any other items with him?

no, he started to start it but it did not.

LDB: sight sound and smell as the door was opened.

the smell came out intently, releasing it to the atmosphere, potent once the car was opened.

LDB: can you identify what smell that is?

in the back of my mind I said it was decomp I have smelled in the past. I didn't say it to him what I percieved as decomp.

LDB: why is that what popped into your mind?

I have smelled it before, recently and it is a smell you don't forget.

LDB: are you talking about a dececed human being?

yes

LDB: why?

I don't know it is not something you throw out there, did not feel it necessary to give his opinion.

LDB: mr anthony got in the car did you stick around?

yes, it turned over very healthy but refused to fire.

LDB: did you notice at any point if mr. Anthony had a gas can?

no

LDB: how would you know if he had one at all?

I looked into the car it was on "e", telling him it could be out of gas...

LDB: you said he got in the car and turned the ignition but...

no, not getting fuel or ignition, for some reason the engine would not start, I didn't believe it was a battery issue. Mr. A said I have gas, should I go get it, I escorted him back on the path and he returned with a can of gasoline. It was an old metal one, the round ones, you don't see them often, not a plastic one you see, the metal ones you don't see often.

LDB: was it battered?

yes

LDB: did you notice any tape on it?

no ma'am

LDB: had any door been opened except drivers side?

no

LDB: did you assist him in putting in the gas?

no, we don't do that I don't recall specifically.

LDB: could you see anything in the passenger compartment that would suggest the source of the odor you described?

no

LDB: did you suggest the trunk be opened?

yes

LDB: did mr a have a key?

yes, I don't recall if it was he or me but we were both in the back.

LDB: when the trunk was opened you were standing directly behind the car? so was mr anthony?

yes, the odor was even more strong than the car when we opened it, flys came out we looked in at the same time and saw a white kitchen garbage bag?

LDB: any other items beside the bag?

no

LDB: did you touch it?

yes, to look inside and see if it was the odor. we opened and peered inside.

LDB: do you remember if it was flat top or draw string?

draw string

LDB: drawn and tied?

I don't recall

LDB: who opened it?

Both of us, whether it was me or he...

LDB: any recollection of what you saw inside?

pizza box and papers, nothing amounting to food stuffs, it was very light...not like a half a chicken in there...

LDB: did you or mr anthony put your hands in the bag and sift though?

no, not really a first glance to see if this was something that created that smell and I offered to dispose of it.

LDB: did either of you make a statement whether or not the bag or any item in it was the source?

no

LDB: what did you do with it?

I walked to that fence right there, using my left arm I threw it over the fence I am right handed and it was no effort and it landed on the other side like you would expect a bag of paper to do.

LDB: he get back in the car?

yes, the car started and I walked out the way we came in, I waited for him to drive up and I waited at the gate, he apolgized for the way they were and said he appreciated his help. I could see mr and mrs talking they got in their cars and drove away.

LDB: pick up bag?

yes, put it in dumpster.

LDB: can you circle on the photo where the dumpster is on the photo of Johnson's wrecker?

right there.

LDB: was that the last you saw of the bag?

yes ma'am

LDB: thank you

 

[QueenD]

Oh boy cross

 

[YellowSubmarine]

LDB: no more questions

 

[RichyD]

Cross by JB of Simon Birch.

 

[Shyla]

How would they know it was out of gas?

probably just a standard letter....

 

[Soulmagent]

Did Birch stay at the car when GA went to get the gas can?

Also questions popping in my head

Wouldnt you be thinking ,wow I am not touching nothing this cars kid is missng and his grand daughter and the car has been here forever etc.

It almost seems like Mr Birch did not act like he was susposed to act. If GA was faming ICA that is.

Cindy wanted to know why they werent told about the car sooner , the Tow guy might have covered up for someone making the July 4th excuse for the mail.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

oh lordy here we go - gonna drag out the depo

 

[21merc7]

I've always felt she put poor Caylee in the sand box for a time. The sand box was a large plastic turtle with a lid. I remember when Greta toured the back yard and opened the lid of that sandbox. Chills went up my spine at the time. IIRC the cadaver dogs hit on it as well.

Or freezer in garage.

Where chicken nuggets and freezer pops were retrieved from for the boys at TonE's.

 

[QueenD]

I've always felt she put poor Caylee in the sand box for a time. The sand box was a large plastic turtle with a lid. I remember when Greta toured the back yard and opened the lid of that sandbox. Chills went up my spine at the time. IIRC the cadaver dogs hit on it as well.

Me too.

 

[strawberry]

He remembers throwing the garbage bag over the fence with his left hand even though he's right handed? (Not accusing of anything, just seems odd?)

That might be what makes it stand out in his memory, that it was an awkward throw.