2011.06.03 SIDEBAR THREAD (Trial Day Nine)

[WholeLottaRosie]

The only person who has made any real money is Baez....

And I think the circumstantial evidence will show there is no way this was a drowning....no way could CA fake that 911 call and her couple of recent days in court. That was way too real.

True, although there have been various reports of the Anthony's getting money for a movie deal, etc.

Anyway, the 3rd 911 call is the one thing that gives me pause on this theory.

 

[AZlawyer]

Au contraire mon frere, I called this almost two years ago:
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/can-circumstantial-evidence-convict-casey-anthony-yes-it-can/#comment-11969

Oh SNAP, was that 'lil old moi that said (and I quote,copyright Sep, 2009) "a drowning perhaps!"

Ah, your French has improved, mon ami.

LOL... Sorry I should have been clearer. Yes you predicted the drowning part but not the part where George assisted/molested/covered up then Kronk obtaining Caylee somehow and putting her at Suburban drive sometime later.

No competent attorney could have predicted that Baez would go with the drowning accident defense and then throw away a primary BENEFIT of that defense--the consistency with the forensic evidence in the trunk and the body having been at the scene for 6 months before it was found--by also denying that evidence. :banghead:

RH, like many of us, has difficulty predicting legal moves that are irrational.

 

[Tiki]

True, although there have been various reports of the Anthony's getting money for a movie deal, etc.

Anyway, the 3rd 911 call is the one thing that gives me pause on this theory.

CA also said on the witness stand, that they paid BC $20,000 after he suggested they sell some photos of Caylee to pay what they owed him, and he set up the deal. That qualifies as real money to me - it must to BC as well - he sure wanted it.
:maddening:
:sick:

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[darnudes]

"Our imagination is the only limit to what we can hope to have in the future."

Would love to hear your thoughts on why Mason has put his name to this particular defense. Is he getting whimsical in his old age?

 

[darnudes]

Ah, your French has improved, mon ami.



No competent attorney could have predicted that Baez would go with the drowning accident defense and then throw away a primary BENEFIT of that defense--the consistency with the forensic evidence in the trunk and the body having been at the scene for 6 months before it was found--by also denying that evidence. :banghead:

RH, like many of us, has difficulty predicting legal moves that are irrational.

Agreed! There must be something we're all not seeing on why they did this.

 

[LancelotLink]

I am just catching up today and was reading about how the CSI guy mentioned he destroyed his notes, and apparently many were confused or thinking this was wrong. I don't know if this has been discussed down thread more, but I thought I'd chime in on this.



When Bloise says he destroyed notes a woman in gallery gasped. It wasn't very loud. Deputy gave her stern look. #CaseyAnthony -fell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:52 PM


In my LE training, we were trained that it was OKAY to destroy our "field notes" once we completed our official case report. We knew that we would have to testify that our official case report would have to represent a true and accurate "memorialization" of our field notes.

I hope that helps. That this CSI guy destroyed his field notes is not a bad thing or an error, etc. If that is how he and his office/agency handle that and they can testify to that (that destroying field notes is accepted in their policies/procedures) it should be okay.

If this was discussed later, or if LDB came afterwards and cleared that up for the jury, then just disregard this post, LOL. :fence:

When Jose brought this up AGAIN, I could have gotten more than a stern look from a deputy. I hope Bloise was understood when he once again and again tried to explain how he transcribed his notes into the computer daily before destroying his notes and that his supervisor signed off on the completed computer report in Jan. 2009. What blows my mind is that Jose knows this and still tried to make hay from his own misunderstanding. :banghead:

 

[Tiki]

Hoo boy - all the experts are here now. :takeabow:

Tiki slinks away fftobed:

to further ponder the question of WHY ICA slipped up and admitted that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days.

:seeya: in the morning.

 

[janine]

I have a question for anyone-

Cindy and Casey brought up something about menus that Cindy had found- where KC talks about wanting to get up at 5am and working out- list of breakfast, lunch and dinner - Where KC is talking about bagels and Cream Cheese and that if this were for Caylee it would have mini pancakes, etc- then Cindy responds with "Caylee likes bagels and cream cheese"

The reason I ask is because ICA says Baez asked about it 3 or 4 times.
What is the significance of these menus I've never heard of before now?????

Weird, I know, but it struck me odd.

 

[Nana46]

I guess I am just stupid....I still do not understand why all of this mess has taken 3 years. None of it makes any sense and I don't know why it bothers me but if they were gonna go with this stupid scenario why wait???????????????:banghead:

 

[wonders]

My computer is sorta broken. I'm unable to watch the trial on line so have to rely on TruTV and HLN (stinks big time) and trying to read here.
As far as the DT's behavior toward ICA. For some time I have thought that JB has been done with her as he never looks at her when she is yapping at him. I have a SIL that I cannot look her in the eyes as she talks cuz she is such a liar and all I can think is 'oh shut up you lying hag'.
Another opinion of mine is that the DT knew that they were sunk a looonnnggg time ago and they will rely on AF during the penality phase. Please mark my words we will see a whole different DT when AF takes over then.
As far as people worring about an appeal for ineffective council, I have to wonder if they will be SOL bcuz she has FIVE ATTORNEYS. One of them should have put a stop to the insanity even if they had to make a complaint to the bar (don't know if it's possible to that). I also think that is why so many attorney's have abandoned ship.
At this point in the trial I hope she will receive the Death Penality.

 

[allycat1208]

It seems like many sleuthers do not believe that River Cruz will prove to be a very credible witness. I'm inclined to think she might be the best witness for the defense team. Anyone else think so?

 

[ynotdivein]

*sneezes 14 times in a row due to allergies*

*staggers*

*enters Sidebar*

OK peeps, what'd I miss today?

:giggle:

 

[allycat1208]

My computer is sorta broken. I'm unable to watch the trial on line so have to rely on TruTV and HLN (stinks big time) and trying to read here.
As far as the DT's behavior toward ICA. For some time I have thought that JB has been done with her as he never looks at her when she is yapping at him. I have a SIL that I cannot look her in the eyes as she talks cuz she is such a liar and all I can think is 'oh shut up you lying hag'.
Another opinion of mine is that the DT knew that they were sunk a looonnnggg time ago and they will rely on AF during the penality phase. Please mark my words we will see a whole different DT when AF takes over then.
As far as people worring about an appeal for ineffective council, I have to wonder if they will be SOL bcuz she has FIVE ATTORNEYS. One of them should have put a stop to the insanity even if they had to make a complaint to the bar (don't know if it's possible to that). I also think that is why so many attorney's have abandoned ship.
At this point in the trial I hope she will receive the Death Penality.

I wonder too about all the change in attorneys! Anyone know why Linda Kenny-Baden stepped down from the defense? How come Nejames and Conway left the Anthony's?

 

[Nana46]

*sneezes 14 times in a row due to allergies*

*staggers*

*enters Sidebar*

OK peeps, what'd I miss today?

:giggle:

Girl you don't even wanna know,lol

 

[Nana46]

I wonder too about all the change in attorneys! Anyone know why Linda Kenny-Baden stepped down from the defense? How come Nejames and Conway left the Anthony's?

Not sure but can say in my opinion that Nejames is a brilliant attorney and he saw the writing on the wall so to speak (with his clients) and got out because he is above board.....Conway, possibly saw the same thing but I would guess some bad blood with his clients but I don't know of course.
LKB.......good Lord who even knows why she left except for greener pastures and more moola....I think she was pro bono or either was paid and when ICA became indigent she jumped ship,lol, IMO

 

[darnudes]

*sneezes 14 times in a row due to allergies*

*staggers*

*enters Sidebar*

OK peeps, what'd I miss today?

:giggle:

I'm still trying to catch up too A couple of the lawyers popped into the sidebar a page back.

Looks like ICA had a very noticeable reaction to all the trunk evidence presented, photos of tire well, Caylee's hair, trunk liner.

 

[ynotdivein]

So is the general consensus that ICA removed the tire and put Caylee in the tire well then when she went to dump Caylee she opened the trunk took the tire out put that on the ground, got rid of Caylee (sorry sweet baby) then as she put the tire away some dirt and leaves transferred into the car?

I do remember this being discussed a long time ago but can't find it anywhere.

Here's the thread I think you're thinking of, darnudes. General consensus at the time was Caylee would not have fit into the wheel well under the trunk liner. Discussed in the first couple of pages, though the whole thread is a must-read for those who haven't, and a good refresher for those who have, given the testimony that is likely to come up soon...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95915&page=23&highlight=Stain+trunk+liner

 

[darnudes]

Cheers ynot - I kind of stayed away from the trunk liner/duct tape threads, it was too real and too upsetting.

 

[SuziQ]

Not sure but can say in my opinion that Nejames is a brilliant attorney and he saw the writing on the wall so to speak (with his clients) and got out because he is above board.....Conway, possibly saw the same thing but I would guess some bad blood with his clients but I don't know of course.
LKB.......good Lord who even knows why she left except for greener pastures and more moola....I think she was pro bono or either was paid and when ICA became indigent she jumped ship,lol, IMO

I can't remember the exact details, but CA made a booboo and it made Brad a witness and ethically could not be the A's attorney.

Anyone, please feel free to correct me if I have this wrong.

 

[wonders]

This is only my opinion:

If something happens that ICA has a re-trial I would bet everything that I own she will be her own attorney like Ted Bundy did.