2011.06.07 TRIAL Day Twelve (Morning Session)

[mitzi]

Stayed up too late last night trying to catch up...and overslept..just woke up.

Is this the first witness for today?

 

[tiredofthis]

Who's he? Is he a chemist? I don't want to look through the pages and miss anymore.

He is a chemist and has worked for the FBI for over 15 years. Forensic chemist...not sure about that.

 

[QB.]

Left side of trunk liner, chemical consistent with chloroform found.
Same found for right side of liner.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The spare tire cover....wouldn't the areas that caused the odor be cut out for testing?

Chemist, PhD and the FBI dude

 

[Soulmagent]

why is everyone making SUCH a big deal about the cans? the evidence was all tested correctly - ALL that happened was Ashton handed him the wrong can yesterday when admitting the evidence into the record. that is it! he had two or more cans on the table and picked up the wrong one. big DEAL! no mistrials or anything to worry about now that the record is clear.

There is no other person testing evidence like this . How do we know this guy who made a huge mistake in READING his own label.

What if a chain of small no big deals went completely down the chain?

It wouldnt have been a big deal if Vass caught it yesterday but his testimony was about other evidence. He might have thought it was the right evidence but it wasnt . That is huge and if it was done on purpose by the state people would lose jobs and conviction of other people overturned.

If you cant trust the evidence what can you?

 

[Sleuth5]

How long will it take Baez to ask if he's a physicist?

May take a while, since he'll need to first establish that June is not July, he is not a psychologist, engineer, astronaut, or biologist, and that he does not have any personal knowledge as to what happened to Caylee on June 16.

 

[Scamperoo]

If the car still smells after 3 years, how come these pieces that they are showing don't smell?

Who said they didn't smell, or is this an assumption.

 

[sleutherontheside]

JB is CLEARLY not happy.

He has a very predictable pattern of cocking his head to one side when he is either upset, uncomfortable or embarrassed.

I dare say he is all three right now.

 

[mombomb]

Sidebar over

Direct Examination of Dr. Michael Rickenbach by JA - CONTINUED

The results of his exam were that residues of chloroform were identified on the specimen.

Regarding Exhibit 141 (Q-44) a piece of spare tire cove, he subjected it to the same analysis. Result was the residue of chloroform were identified on the specimen.

Exhibit 142 (Q-45) subjected to same analysis, resulting in the finding that residue of chloroform were identified on the specimen.

Exhibit 139 (Q-23) - spare tire cover. He tested a fabric portion of it. Results were that residue of chloroform were identified.

Exhibits 140 and 141 (Q24 and Q25) - Q24 - left side of trunk liner. Results were that CHEMICALS consistent of chloroform were identified.

2 techniques used to get positive results. They reinforced each other. "Consistent" only one technique got positive results.

Q-25 - right side of trunk liner - results - consistent with chloroform was detected. Results from left and right - consistent with chloroform, but not conclusive.

End of Direct Examination by JA.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

If the car still smells after 3 years, how come these pieces that they are showing don't smell?

I'd imagine because the items removed from the vehicle have been isolated from the original source and since bagged up for three years. The vehicle itself cannot be completely dismantled and pieces aired out.

 

[Rapunzel]

What I can't figure out is if JB is going with the theory that Caylee drowned "in the family pool", why fight any of this? Why not just say yep, she was in the trunk, she was put there after she drowned, next?

I don't think any of us understand this...if someone figures it out, please let us know.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

ICA looks bored.

 

[pinkfairy]

Marina2

I have been wondering the same thing. Isn't JB going to just say GA put the body in the car and then dumped it?

Confuzzed?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Oh no, Not the easel!

 

[nursebeeme]

this is not a general discussion thread... posts need to be kept to what is going on during the testimony. Thanks

 

[lowens1975]

So ICA 'made' chloroform, probably spilled it in the trunk. Since I'm clueless on how to 'make' it, I'm wondering if they found any receipts for anything she may have purchased to mix it up?

 

[Donjeta]

Throwing JB a bone there... chemicals consistent with chloroform but not an identification

 

[Chiquita71]

JA: your evaluation of Q 22?

that residue of chloroform were found on that specimen.

JA: Q44 what is that item?

Q44 a piece of fabric reported to be a piece of a spare tire cover

JA: you did testing and what was found?

traces of chloroform

JA: Let me show you state's exhibit Q45, is that correct?

yes it was

JA: subject that to the same instumenial examination?

yes, chloroform residue was found on Q45

JA: state's evidence 139, you describe this as the spire tire cover?

yes

JA: did you subject that to the same instumental examination as the others?

yes

JA: what portion did you test?

I can look at it I am not sure. It is hard to write on this material but it is the material part not the card board.

JA: ?

yes, for Q23 residues of chloroform was found

JA: Q24, what is that?

Q24 a piece of fabric to be the left side of the trunk liner

JA: use the same examination?

yes

JA: what was the result

chemicals consistant with chloroform.

JA: difference?

two techniques to get positive results. I am confident to say chloroform was present.

JA: Q25(your) our exhibit 140 did use the same examination?

right side of trunk liner, same.

JA: results

consistant with chloroform

JA: both sides were the same, consistant with chloroform but not (?)sorry

yes

JA: no further questions.

 

[Celt1997]

Oh my - she chloroformed her in that trunk....always suspected but hurts to actually hear it...

It's also possible she mixed it in the trunk. Or after she administered it to Caylee, put her and the rag (or other method of administration) in the trunk, as well.

 

[chasing.halos]

What I can't figure out is if JB is going with the theory that Caylee drowned "in the family pool", why fight any of this? Why not just say yep, she was in the trunk, she was put there after she drowned, next?

Because she was in Kronk's car, next to Zanny who was eating raw hamburger.