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I understand her perfectly...it's JB questioning that's confusing me. Is that his intent?
2011.06.13 TRIAL Day Seventeen (Morning Session)
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BigFatMommyDog
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...he's working chain of custody
Unless the duct tape was stored in the box in the garage (or wherever it was) with other heart stickers. My daughter's sticker box is a mess with stickers that fall from one sheet and attache to another.
I really wish there was more analysis done the heart residue, and if there would be anyway to tell how long it had been there.
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For me it was always eerie that pictures on her computer/myspace showed a little girl with hearts as well...
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/200...-and-the-heart-photoshopped-on-caylees-photo/
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Okay,I give.....what else would leave heart shaped residue? :waitasec:
And there was a sticker found at the scene as well as pages of heart stickers at the Anthony's house.I think it was in ICA's room,but not sure .
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Ms. Fontaine explains 11 step process on the individual pieces of duct tape.....on Q-63 visualized in the Ruvis system and the alternate light source (step 7?) upon completion of the whole process it was not visible....all done after the trace evidence unit.....
received @ FBI - goes to trace then to her then back to trace.
restarted steps 1,2,3 and introduced 4 thru the end....
aware item back to evidence control....aware item was later contaminated by another object- sidebar!
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I think she's addressing this now (during x-exam).
Hey hey, one more witness who doesn't understand JB's questions.
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State calls Elizabeth Fontaine
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JA:
She is a physical scientist forensics examiner with the FBI.
She has a MS degree in pharmacy from UF. She has BS in micro-biology from University of Rhode Island.
FBI training - 18 month training in latent prints at FBI. During that time she did 75,000 comparisons.
She then became an examiner after becoming certified. There was a 6 month probationary period.
In December of 2008 she examined 3 pieces of duct tape from the remains.
State's Exhibit KN - she identified the bag which contained the duct tape. Envelope marked as Exhibit 306.
When she received it, (Q for question item - K for known items). Q 62, 63 and 64. Q 62 was a separate piece of tape. Q 63 and 64 were initially received stuck together. She did not separate them. An examiner in the trace evidence unit did that. She examined them stuck together and separately.
Q-62, 63 and 64 were approximately 6 to 8 inches in length. The glue was almost gone and the tape was no longer sticky. The glue and strings and fiber had migrated to one end. Some of the strings had separated from the tape.
The 3 tape strips were examined for latent finger prints.
She was told that the tape was found on the remains in an area that was periodically subjected to flooding.
OBJECTION TO HEARSAY BY JB - OVERRULED.
Did you expect to find prints?
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
Based on the environment, she did not expect to find them. However, this thought doesn't change her examination.
No latent prints on any of the three pieces of tape.
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
On Q-63 she found an outline of heart on one of the corners of the tape. She was using Reflective Ultra-violet imaging system (RUVIS). Helps make the sample a flat, non-reflective image. It helps to eliminate any background interference.
The heart shape was about the size of a dime. It looked like the glue residue similar to wearing and removing a bandaid for an extended period of time.
At the time, she did not feel this had any special significance. She noted it in her records and had a supervisor looked at it.
OBJECTION
She did not photograph this. She is not required to photograph unexpected items. She noted it and continued on with her exam. When she was finished, she did attempt to photograph it, but it was no longer visible.
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
She then did a RAM stain. It is a coloring of the sample to make it more visible. She also used black powder and alternate black powder.
Other than stating it was in the shape of a heart in the size of a dime, she cannot say anything else about it.
No further questions.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY JB:
All items are received in evidence control unit and are inventoried. After they did that, they then went to the trace evidence unit and then to her.
When trace evidence received it, they contacted her for a visual exam.
She conducted a visual examination to see if any latent prints are visible to the eye. It is always the first step.
The second step is a laser exam.
Certain fingerprints will fluoresce.
Next step is UV.
Next the items went back to the trace evidence unit.
She then received them back and redid the exams because Q 63 an Q 64 had been separated.
The next step is super glue. Super glue is attracted to moisture. This process is done in a humidity chamber.
The next step is RUVIS - an ultra violet light. The object is then viewed thru a monitor. The light removes reflections.
The next step is RAM - a dye stain used on top of super glue. Sometimes it is hard to visualize the white super glue on a white object. RAM gives this a fluorescent property which makes it glow orange.
The next step was alternate black powder - typically only used on glue like substance.
The final step is black powder which attempts to pick up oil or sweat left behind by a finger print.
All but alternate black powder were done on both sides of the tape.
Regarding heart shape, it was something she visualized thru RUVIS. It was no longer visible after she completed the last steps of her exam. All of her processes were done after the trace evidence unit's exam.
OBJECTION - SUSTAINED.
She did a report. She indicated there were no finger prints on any of the three pieces of the tape.
Item later contaminated?
OBJECTION -
SIDEBAR #3
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JA:
She is a physical scientist forensics examiner with the FBI.
She has a MS degree in pharmacy from UF. She has BS in micro-biology from University of Rhode Island.
FBI training - 18 month training in latent prints at FBI. During that time she did 75,000 comparisons.
She then became an examiner after becoming certified. There was a 6 month probationary period.
In December of 2008 she examined 3 pieces of duct tape from the remains.
State's Exhibit KN - she identified the bag which contained the duct tape. Envelope marked as Exhibit 306.
When she received it, (Q for question item - K for known items). Q 62, 63 and 64. Q 62 was a separate piece of tape. Q 63 and 64 were initially received stuck together. She did not separate them. An examiner in the trace evidence unit did that. She examined them stuck together and separately.
Q-62, 63 and 64 were approximately 6 to 8 inches in length. The glue was almost gone and the tape was no longer sticky. The glue and strings and fiber had migrated to one end. Some of the strings had separated from the tape.
The 3 tape strips were examined for latent finger prints.
She was told that the tape was found on the remains in an area that was periodically subjected to flooding.
OBJECTION TO HEARSAY BY JB - OVERRULED.
Did you expect to find prints?
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
Based on the environment, she did not expect to find them. However, this thought doesn't change her examination.
No latent prints on any of the three pieces of tape.
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
On Q-63 she found an outline of heart on one of the corners of the tape. She was using Reflective Ultra-violet imaging system (RUVIS). Helps make the sample a flat, non-reflective image. It helps to eliminate any background interference.
The heart shape was about the size of a dime. It looked like the glue residue similar to wearing and removing a bandaid for an extended period of time.
At the time, she did not feel this had any special significance. She noted it in her records and had a supervisor looked at it.
OBJECTION
She did not photograph this. She is not required to photograph unexpected items. She noted it and continued on with her exam. When she was finished, she did attempt to photograph it, but it was no longer visible.
OBJECTION - OVERRULED.
She then did a RAM stain. It is a coloring of the sample to make it more visible. She also used black powder and alternate black powder.
Other than stating it was in the shape of a heart in the size of a dime, she cannot say anything else about it.
No further questions.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY JB:
All items are received in evidence control unit and are inventoried. After they did that, they then went to the trace evidence unit and then to her.
When trace evidence received it, they contacted her for a visual exam.
She conducted a visual examination to see if any latent prints are visible to the eye. It is always the first step.
The second step is a laser exam.
Certain fingerprints will fluoresce.
Next step is UV.
Next the items went back to the trace evidence unit.
She then received them back and redid the exams because Q 63 an Q 64 had been separated.
The next step is super glue. Super glue is attracted to moisture. This process is done in a humidity chamber.
The next step is RUVIS - an ultra violet light. The object is then viewed thru a monitor. The light removes reflections.
The next step is RAM - a dye stain used on top of super glue. Sometimes it is hard to visualize the white super glue on a white object. RAM gives this a fluorescent property which makes it glow orange.
The next step was alternate black powder - typically only used on glue like substance.
The final step is black powder which attempts to pick up oil or sweat left behind by a finger print.
All but alternate black powder were done on both sides of the tape.
Regarding heart shape, it was something she visualized thru RUVIS. It was no longer visible after she completed the last steps of her exam. All of her processes were done after the trace evidence unit's exam.
OBJECTION - SUSTAINED.
She did a report. She indicated there were no finger prints on any of the three pieces of the tape.
Item later contaminated?
OBJECTION -
SIDEBAR #3
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That is because she has "dumbed it down" for him. And me, I might add! I really like listening to her.
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Contaminated is a pretty strong word, Baez.
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Because it was removed once she applied the RAM process - the "superglue" like process that was used to look for oil or sweat-like fingerprints. Plus the black powder that was washed over the tape subsequent to that.
She wasn't there to capture that sticker residue. She was there to go step-by-step through the latent finger print protocol. Which she religiously did - step-by-step.
Unfortuanately her process, destroyed the sticker residue once completed, before THAT could be analyzed by another agent who would have researched that.
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JB: (turned towards Jurors at the podium)
Recieved at FBI - to Trace Evidence - Then to you - then back to Trace - then back to you
In report - no Latent Prints
EF:correct
JB: you're aware that the evidence goes back to
JA Object - Sidebar
(JB going for the contaminated evidence scenario)
Recieved at FBI - to Trace Evidence - Then to you - then back to Trace - then back to you
In report - no Latent Prints
EF:correct
JB: you're aware that the evidence goes back to
JA Object - Sidebar
(JB going for the contaminated evidence scenario)
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I have never watched CSI but I have heard about superglue and fingerprints. I just like that the method was related to something the jury could relate to instead of scientific methods that seem really out there.
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JB is such a <modsnip>
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If by "pattern" you mean not having a logical, direct approach to his questions during cross, then yes, I see it.
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Where is JB going with this??? How does this help ICA?
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