2011.06.23 Cindy's Testimony

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:lol: Kathi Belich says the way Cindy was going on and on today, made her sound like Casey!

http://www.wftv.com/video/28339316/index.html

Exactly. The mother of the defendant who it has been testified to and admitted by her own counsel lied, is on the stand acting just like her daughter. That is why LDB didn't ask her anymore. These jurors saw the dynamics of the Anthony household today. Lie and when it doesn't work just make up a new story.
 
If I remember correctly, Cindy testified that she is on disability.

Does anyone know if she is on "disability" or "leave" from her employment with Gentiva, who she "threw under the bus" today ?

Or -- is she on disability from government ?


:waitasec: Wouldn't you have like to have been a "fly on the wall" at the Gentiva office today when Cindy "spewed" out her web of lies about the company ?

Her employer disability policy would have ended at two years.At that point she has to get a job or apply for SS Disability.
No,she is not working for a living...
 
As for GA never driving the car, I have no clue. But, KioMarie told us she was Casey's best friend as a child and she was not allowed in Casey's home. We know Amy H. was never there. Her 1st contact w/CA was when she guided CA to Tony's on July 15th, 2008. And, except for whomever Casey was sleeping with at the moment, all the rest of her friends were imaginary and had little use for a computer. :crazy:

I'm sure the jury is wondering the same thing. What friends? Her imaginary ones? The ones we heard about that don't exist? :floorlaugh:
 
If I remember correctly, Cindy testified that she is on disability.

Does anyone know if she is on "disability" or "leave" from her employment with Gentiva, who she "threw under the bus" today ?

Or -- is she on disability from government ?


:waitasec: Wouldn't you have like to have been a "fly on the wall" at the Gentiva office today when Cindy "spewed" out her web of lies about the company ?

This is a very good question. If CA is on any sort of leave of absence or disability through work, they would still have her listed as an employee and her records would still be there. Even if she isn't still an employee, I would think emails pertaining to patients would still be on file. I would hate to think if one employee left my doctors office that anything the worker had to do with my file would be deleted since he/she no longer worked there. I know with HIPPA laws it could be tricky to get this info but I would think it's possible.
 
gee this has been asked a million times.. if the searches were so innocent why DELETE them? just specifically those searches and no others?

Good question. Was it asked in cross?

Probably will be in the rebuttal case.

Usually in rebuttal, the state will present witnesses who can disprove what the defense tried to state. It is uncommon to put a defense witness back on the stand and do the job you should have done in cross examination, during a rebuttal.

I fear that the state has missed some opportunities in this case. They are still very solid, IMO, and have presented a good case. But, I like perfection.

I am not a nurse, but I DO work in the pharmaceutical industry. My mother is a nurse and I don't think we would have to look up to find out if these chemicals are harmful to a toddler. The answer is....uh, yes. What nurse would not know that? And if she was in doubt...(yeah right, but lets play along) then the answer is on the back of the bottle. "DO NOT CONSUME, KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN, IF ACCIDENTIAL CONSUMPTION SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMEDIATELY"

What grandmother, mother, let alone NURSE would not know to keep these chemicals out of reach of a toddler and pets? Really?

Was this brought up in cross? Again, this would be something not to miss.

I'm inclined to agree with you. CA totally caught her off guard today, and LDB was obviously angry, then realized to wait, cooler heads prevail... She's going to come back with some hard questions about those searches, remember when she asked about the myspace, photobucket, and FB account's? She was laying the foundation to come back and make her eat some humble pie later when she brings into evidence how the searches were conducted, moments between those sites (CA had none, ICA has all three). trust me on this one, LDB was taken off guard but had enough sense to give CA lottsa rope for later, IMO.....

I keep hearing this but like I said, LDB's chance to get CA was during cross. I think it is unlikely that she will recall CA and then ask her questions she should have during cross examination. She can bring in other witnesses, like co-workers, supervisors, etc, to show she was actually at work and not home when the terms were searched and that should help but I get the sense ( not having watched more than a few snippets), that the cross was not as thorough as it could have been.

That will come as CA's memory continues to improve with her new meds. Also, LA will say he saw GA molest ICA. This is a sick family who has come together and decided to throw the SA's under the bus. ICA will walk except for the 4 counts of lying to LE. 3 years served and one more to go.[/quote

Do you really believe that the whole family is going to turn around and tell outrageous lies? Look, this is a dysfunctional family dealing with a tragedy of epic proportions. It would be hard to say how normal people would react to such a thing and the Anthonys are not normal.

But, although they have lied from time to time, especially CA, I think they only go so far. JA is right. They are "torn". They veer from wanting to protect casey to wanting justice for their granddaughter. I understand that.

Just remember, the things they have told the truth about have been some of the most damning in the case. I agree they cannot be trusted, ever but I really doubt they will admit to thins like sexual abuse or murder, etc.

Hmmm...had a thought here.
Remember the "Win her over with Chloroform" pic that was suppossedly so funny from TL (I think) to ICA or Vice Versa on MySpace??

What date was THAT posted to MySpace?

We KNOW the Google "Chloroform" was March 17th or 21st. Was it the 17th or 21st of March 2008 ,when the "Win her over with Chloroform" MySpace happened as well?? See my point??

If ICA was the only one with a MySpace (and it sure looks like she was since CA didnt have one till July)and 1st saw the "Win her over...chloroform" photo and THEN wondered hmmm... "How DO you make Chloroform I wonder??" ...and there you have it!

A Google search for "how to make Chloroform" within seconds after opening the MySpace "Win her over..Chloroform"

Apologies if someone has already come up with this

And NO OFFENSE ladies, im a guy afterall so cut me a little slack here, but, everyone raise their hands that when hubby bought a used car and one of the 1st things you've asked to see...is the trunk??

I can honestly say that Ive bought literally dozens of cars over the 30 years weve been married and my dear bride has NEVER asked even ONCE to see the trunk when Ive brought a car home.


And neither did CA!

The win her over with chloroform pic was not sent from one person to the next. It was on Ricardo's myspace or on his wall at home, IIRC.

Nope she said that. I have a feeling this will be payback for GA for having the affair with River Cruz. It's going to get ugly. It would not surprise me if CA and ICA are in this together.

If that was true, then CA would not have already testified to the things she did in the way she did. Her anguished crying over finding that Caylee was missing was devastating to casey's case. So saw all her testimony about casey's lies to her during the time Caylee was "missing" for those 31 days.

This is a psychologically complex and messed up family but I think what we see is what we get. They are conflicted and torn and because they are dysfunctional, their responses to such a horrific tragedy differ from day to day or moment to moment.

The Anthonys have frustrated me often, during this case. But I have always felt very bad for them. They have reminded me of scott peterson's family and neil entwhistle's mother, willing to lie for their murdering kids in the most infuriating and ridiculous manner - but they are also facing the loss of a child they loved as much as the murderer they are protecting and that shows as well at times.

I have seen CA lie to protect casey but in the middle of the very worst of her lies, I have also seen her say or do little things to take revenge on casey for killing Caylee, trying to make casey jealous of family gatherings and freedom, for example, trying to dress her in a manner casey hates for court, etc. It's complex but not as clear cut as other lying families have been because they loved Caylee and have to deal with that too.
 
Not to mention, as a nurse, you can not make me believe she would fall for the "dangerous of hand sanitizers" so much she would have to go home to search it?

Also: if she really wanted to know if some plant in her backyard was making her dog sick all she had to do was look up poisonous plants/ toxic plants -pets, children, etc.
She would not have to look up Chlorophyll. sheez she thinks we are all stupid. It was such a cover up. For imprisoned daughter.
Oh, and how she conviently said something popped up on her computer about skateboarding kids and "neck breaking" whatever it was:sick:

Hopefully the SA will be able to get her records from Gentiva co and they will verify if she was not at work or was at work that day.
 
On HLN they showed a picture of Cindy and George sitting in the courtroom. Don't know at what point it was today but George was sitting apart from Cindy not close like in previous days and was kinda turned away. Interesting body language.
 
Am I looking at the right company? The only references I can find to Gentiva and health care is a home health and hospice service provider...
You mean this one on Broad Street in Orlando?
http://www.gentiva.com/
I think it is the right one, as they do have administrative nurses, and the Cumadin study fits in with cancer patients certainly (my late husband was given trials of Cumadin and other drugs from home care and hospice care when he had cancer).
 
I DO NOT feel like CA has "slipped back into "any kind of denial I DO NOT think she has ever been in denial. I DO think she is a master of liars and was the professor of ICA and has taught her the craft to an art. Caylee deserved soooooo much more. Shame on them all.
 
Sorry if someone already mentioned this, but there was a google search on how to make chloroform, right? And Cindy denies making that search. Yet she admits to searching for chloroform. So if she didn't search how to make chloroform, who did and why? (that's a rhetorical question). I don't think Cindy thought about that when she (IMO) lied on the stand today. Her story doesn't make any sense.
 
Casey lies, Cindy lies...George and Lee? Maybe they all lie and are all involved in covering up what happened to Caylee...that is what I am thinking, anyway, at least as a possibility. If I am a juror, after seeing George and Lee acting so oddly with Casey on the jail tapes, and now this with Cindy, I think it would not be out of the question to believe the whole defense theory...and then Casey made a hash of getting rid of Caylee's body.
 
Lippman, on with Vinnie, seems to be saying Chlorophyl was shown on the computer searches. Correct?

oh.. this is a great point! they will be able to see exactly when (((((if EVER)))) a search was done on that computer for chlorophyl and where in the search string it was found

so rebuttal witness could well be the computer guy vs Cindy... (If I were the state I would tread lightly around her now with her lies and her "memory issues" due to her medication switches....**yeah right**)
 
Cindy said that she was doing 'chlorophyll' searches because she was investigating why one of her yorkies was tired all the time.

Let's say for the sake of argument that: there's a grain of truth to her testimony today, and one of her dogs was tired all the time.

Was casey practising on the dogs before drugging Caylee?

Or was the grain of truth that Cindy was doing the searches, but it wasn't the dog that was sleepy, but Caylee? And Cindy was home investigating and may have been re-tracing casey's steps on the computer (I don't think Cindy is as computer-illiterate as she claims).
 
Her deposition is almost verbatim to what she said today. The only thing I didn't read was if she was or was not at work those particular days in March. I do not think she lied today, I DO think she lied on Tuesday, July 28, 2009. Why would she change that testimony today?
Respectfully disagree (BBM). Today CA said under oath on the stand that her "chlorophyll" searches led her to chloroform results. She claimed that her research on chlorophyll created a couple of additional search topics (bacteria in chlorophyll reactions, naturally occurring compounds in red/brown plants and algae) which led to searches for chloroform.

She did not say this in her State deposition, IIRC. She said she searched for chlorophyll and when asked whether she had searched for chloroform, answered that she "did not know."

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/05/the-google-searches-and-cindy/

(Please correct me if I am mistaken on this.)
 
I have a question for Mr. Lippman. If all the A's want is the truth how does lying accomplish that when she isn't being truthful ?
 
but is there a search for chlorophyl?

That's what I am trying to find!!! I need a link to the Bradley computer report- I have looked through all the discovery I can find and I am going cross-eyed, so if anyone can find it and link it, I would be ETERNALLY grateful!
 
Had time to process and I think this is gonna bite ICA in the booty, big time. The SA will get evidence of CA being at work at that time and will make the DT and CA look like the biggest liars in history.

So instead of yeah, it was PROBABLY ICA would searched for chloroform, it will be ICA DEFINITELY searched for chloroform and it was THE MURDER WEAPON used to kill Caylee that's why CA had to lie.
 
How can you be sure there were high levels in the car? We've heard conflicting testimony ranging from none found in some tests to high amounts in others. We know that the DA has already misled us outrageously about the chloroform searches. How can we trust them in this case?


I personally don't think SA misled us; I believe that CA flat out lied on the stand today. Now, I am not a huge CA fan, and I am skeptical of most things that come out of her mouth. But today, her explanation for why she did those searches made no sense to me whatsoever. If CA was worried about her dogs and wanted to see if they were eating poisonous plants. Then why not search for "plants that are poisonous to dogs", or "is bamboo dangerous to dogs". Who would look up chlorophyll and cholorform when you are worried of your dog ingesting potentially harmful plants. Notice I said "ingesting" not "inhalation" as CA said she searched for. I guess the 2 lil yorkies were out in the backyard inhaling all those cholorform fumes that FL plants naturally produce....:banghead:

Just makes me so mad that she would get up there and lie through her teeth. She expects us to believe that even though she was reportedly at work that day, she was instead home with ICA, and she was searching chloroform 83 times. I just hope the jury can see through this. AND wasn't ICA supposed to be at work then (at least CA thought she had a job at that point). Why would they both be home during a weekday when they were both supposed to be "working".

The apple definitely doesn't fall far from the tree. Poor Caylee may never have justice. :(
 
CA meds: IIRC and it should be archived here somewhere, when LE searched the Anthony home it was revealed that CA was on an antidepressant. The name of which should be located in one or more of the threads. I would imagine that is the med they changed. all JMHO.

Yes, it was Sodium Forgetital. She has since received a Hyper Brainboosticilin injection, hence her newfound memory.
 

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