2015.07.06 SMS confirms that CWW was a POI as early as July 6th

[mckazpm]

With Mark's sweating at the funeral, that would be another indication of guilt to me!

He knew LE was watching every move he made. CWW was there too and Mark had no way of knowing if JR or CWW had slipped up and left evidence at the house. With those two factors, one would be scared! Add to this, Mark was not in control of the situation, so he was losing it! IMO.

<modsnip> If so, you have a wedding prior to murder to meet and then immediately after murder another way to conveniently meet with no digital footprint. The funeral would have been the most difficult display for MS. I know, this could still go both ways, but there's an awful lot of convenience laid out for catching up. JMO

 

[Russian Blue]

Certain street drugs will make a person sweaty (& I'm sure he wasn't doing a Richard Simmons work-out at his wife's funeral).

I'm not implying MS was doing drugs because I do not know that as a fact. I will venture to say that when I've seen people grossly sweaty (without obvious physical exertion) they were either on crack cocaine, speedball ing cocaine with heroin, in drug withdrawals from benzo's (Xanax) or on meth. And that's about it.

Or, how about just really nervous? Don't have to be doing drugs or exercise to sweat in Florida in a suit, when your world has been turned up side down and you are at the funeral of your wife and she didn't die from illness, accident or old age.

 

[irishchook]

except for when a male hugged him tightly.

Was that male CWW, by chance?

 

[RagingClue]

This right here is EXACTLY how I picture MS - sweaty, overly tri hard, smarminess.

I do not know if he was on medication. Maybe, maybe not, they were a true blue "holistic everything" family. He appeared very distant. One family member said Mark put on a show. He acted f---ing stupid, and originally that family member let their own sadness be misinterpreted into his sadness. He was grossly sweaty and had a smile on his face the whole time that just irritated another family member. Mind you at this time they all thought he was innocent. What gets me is he did not cry, except for when a male hugged him tightly.

 

[TruthStar]

Was that male CWW, by chance?

no, it was a family member

 

[Daisy47]

With Mark's sweating at the funeral, that would be another indication of guilt to me!

He knew LE was watching every move he made. CWW was there too and Mark had no way of knowing if JR or CWW had slipped up and left evidence at the house. With those two factors, one would be scared! Add to this, Mark was not in control of the situation, so he was losing it! IMO.

Completely agree re the sweating! I was being audited once and sweating like crazy... remember being concerned IRS was surely thinking i was hiding something when it was actually menopause /hot flashes. Clearly that isn't the case with MS. Very suspicious IMO.

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[Maxine2U]

Regarding MS' behavior at the funeral, when my mother died I'm sure people thought I was acting weird at her funeral. I was very jovial. My mother had pancreatic cancer and was in so much pain, and she also set her house on fire because she was having delusions with the morphine at the end. So yeah I was happy she was gone, and that all the stress was over. OK yeah I didn't get along with her and might have been singing "ding dong the witch is dead" in my mind...

Anyway, him acting happy I don't find weird because grieving is a process that doesn't follow rules. But throw that in with sweating profusely, maybe there's something to it.

I'm on the fence with whether MS was involved. At first I thought for sure he was but now I don't know.

 

[TruthStar]

I just asked if the funeral was indoors or outdoors to try and explain the "sweaty". It was indoors.

 

[1&2&3]

If this has been answered, I either have forgotten or missed it.

Did CWW stay with MS while in FL for the funeral?

Did CWW go into the house to retrieve items for MS and girls since they were staying with MS's mom? If not, who went into the house, IIRC MS did not go back in?

I would like to have been a little fly on the wall to see how MS and CWW acted alone or what they discussed. Since they were life long friends, it would have appeared odd had CWW not come or the two of them not spent time together. JMO.

 

[human]

I agree and then thought perhaps MS felt he knew CWW better than he really did. Perhaps CWW told MS if you dont keep my secret or your wife to keep quiet I will harm her, you, the kids, etc. Maybe MS thought CWW was simply making a false threat. Then CWW actually carries it out, he goes as far as filming parts of the murder and sends it to MS, to make a statement like, now we wont have to worry about her talking, if you talk, I'll come after you or your children. So MS realizes CWW threats are not false and keeps quiet. Maybe MS had no clue CWW was showing up at the funeral and it was another form of CWW's bullying ways, hence MS was nervous, figgity and sweating like crazy. Maybe MS thought CWW was going to kill one of his girls?

Why make threats? Why think someone is going to keep quiet? Just get rid of them. There is no point when you are a killer is there to jeopardize your life?

 

[Dmacky]

MS knows why they went there. Whether he had anything to do with it or not. He knows why his best friend did this. If they didn't steal anything from the house, then he knows.

I keep going back to What the Hell happened at that wedding????
Was her obvious overkill a message to MS? We read in the Bolin investigation that his ex-wife (who was also afraid of him) said that CWW acts like he likes people that he really doesn't...
Sometimes I think that CWW had already planned this murder and only asked MS to be in the his third wedding as a ruse.

I wonder if TS had already let CWW go, as far as doing the office computer work?
Did CWW feel that he wasn't paid enough money, or that was OWED more? Did she have too much info on him?
So many questions.
Also why are so many people STILL afraid to come forward with information about CWW, even though he is in jail? Are they afraid they might have to testify against him, OR do they know that Wayne still has EVIL people/friends that could harm their family if they talk? You would think he was in the damn Mafia with so many people that are afraid for their families safety because of the people involved < ???

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sting-for-Verified-Sources-**Reference-Only**

 

[Deleted member 159541]

I agree that MS knows why. I'm torn as to whether he needs to be extremely careful and not say a word as to not let on to CWW that he is helping LE and he is sincerely innocent and a victim or if he knows why because he is the master mind behind it all. A family member of mine was at the funeral and I was told that MS was shaking his head a lot. The family took turns speaking at the funeral and when his oldest daughter spoke, I was told that he smiled big as if he was proud on how she was speaking.

This is 100% accurate. In fact, MS threw his arms wide when his oldest daughter was speaking as if to say "Can you believe her?" with a big grin. It was quite disconcerting given that the daughter was speaking of her murdered mom

 

[human]

This is 100% accurate. In fact, MS threw his arms wide when his oldest daughter was speaking as if to say "Can you believe her?" with a big grin. It was quite disconcerting given that the daughter was speaking of her murdered mom

http://m.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

 

[Deleted member 159541]

http://m.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Interesting. Guess who hated Teresa's animals? You guessed it. MS.

In my opinion.

 

[Lilibet]

<snipped for focus>
Also why are so many people STILL afraid to come forward with information about CWW, even though he is in jail? Are they afraid they might have to testify against him, OR do they know that Wayne still has EVIL people/friends that could harm their family if they talk? You would think he was in the damn Mafia with so many people that are afraid for their families safety because of the people involved < ???

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sting-for-Verified-Sources-**Reference-Only**

This post from the Ronnie Bolin thread may shed some light on your question about the fear people have. Creepingskills asked the same question you did, including the part about organized crime. Here is questioneverything's answer (VI RB case):

"Sorry I didn't see this earlier. It's a good question but one I don't know the real answer to. I know they have "friends and family" who will do whatever CWW tells them to do - including making people "disappear". Whether it's organized crime or just deep corruption I can't say with any certainty. All I know is that people who cross CWW do NOT do so a second time. Not around here anyway. They have both been known bullies/psychopaths since childhood and they never really changed that insanity part of themselves."

BBM

ETA: I should add that QE's reference to "both" is about CWW's real brother, not MS.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...on-County-8-July-1996&p=12119356#post12119356

 

[Dmacky]

With Mark's sweating at the funeral, that would be another indication of guilt to me!

He knew LE was watching every move he made. CWW was there too and Mark had no way of knowing if JR or CWW had slipped up and left evidence at the house. With those two factors, one would be scared! Add to this, Mark was not in control of the situation, so he was losing it! IMO.

See this where we differ. I think LE wired Mark. That would make anyone sweat...that plus the fact that the *advertiser censored* had murdered your wife and you knew it had to be gut wrenching. I think I am one of the handful of people here that believe that he had NO involvement in his wife's horrific murder. Before everyone gets their panties in a wad, let me explain my reasons.
I was also in that GUILTY camp after we found out in Aug. that CWW was arrested and he was MS' BFF- brother on FB - In his wedding in May etc.

It wasn't until September when we became aware of the JULY 12th raid and arrest for 12 hrs. Apparently the warrant didn't come through for the murder because they didn't have enough evidence for probable cause? :dunno: That's why I think the Walmart evidence must have come from the raid from CWW's house...or possibly even from JR, who was arrested a few days before CWW.
Solving a murder in 13 days? and we now know that CWW was on their radar as early as 6 days after the murder (I believe it was much sooner
then July 6 personally) That information HAD to come from Mark.

 

[human]

See this where we differ. I think LE wired Mark. That would make anyone sweat...that plus the fact that the *advertiser censored* had murdered your wife and you knew it had to be gut wrenching. I think I am one of the handful of people here that believe that he had NO involvement in his wife's horrific murder. Before everyone gets their panties in a wad, let me explain my reasons.
I was also in that GUILTY camp after we found out in Aug. that CWW was arrested and he was MS' BFF- brother on FB - In his wedding in May etc.

It wasn't until September when we became aware of the JULY 12th raid and arrest for 12 hrs. Apparently the warrant didn't come through for the murder because they didn't have enough evidence for probable cause? :dunno: That's why I think the Walmart evidence must have come from the raid from CWW's house...or possibly even from JR, who was arrested a few days before CWW.
Solving a murder in 13 days? and we now know that CWW was on their radar as early as 6 days after the murder (I believe it was much sooner
then July 6 personally) That information HAD to come from Mark.

Since they have records, they have DNA on file. Walmart has facial recognition, Easy,

If MS suspected CWW for any reason, why would he allow his beloved wife to go home alone comsidering his bff has computer and security experience?

Why would he think it was anything but random? Why would he have those crazy accounts? Why was he involved in pyramid schemes? Why does he not turn over medical records?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Solving a murder in 13 days? and we now know that CWW was on their radar as early as 6 days after the murder (I believe it was much sooner
then July 6 personally) That information HAD to come from Mark.

RSBM

Sorry to disagree, DM, but... a stray fingerprint could have quite quickly led to cww, as well as a photo in fl of his mo licence plate, or a dropped receipt with a credit card payment, or a neighbor saying they saw ms at home that weekend coupled with his bff pictures on Facebook, or a myriad of other ways...

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[Eileen730]

As for sweating.

This was the hottest summer I can remember in the 10 years I lived here.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Re: sweating. .. if it were caused by the weather, a fl heatwave, etc, then other attendees would have been hot and sweaty as well. Since MS apparently stood out, it would appear not to have been weather or heat related.

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