4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[whiterhino]

The part about the shower curtain was in the narrative report at the end of the document. Don't think it would have had a door because then there would be no need to mention there was no shower curtain.

I was imagining him showering with all of that blood on him, so he through away the shower curtain.

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Please forgive if this has already been posted. IMO, it's very strange that there is no shower curtain....

Now I recall discussion very early on before we had this information to confirm.

Somehow I did not see "curtain rod in shower" or "no shower curtain in bathroom" when I was reading last night. Duh.

It is a bit strange.

 

[r3d-ros3]

<snipped for focus>

If you mean by "firing" that BK lost his TA position, then we do know that this happened that he lost his teaching assistantship. But until the "Trespass Admonition" notice, we didn't know if BK had chosen not to return to WSU in the spring 2023 semester, or if he was expelled.

Now we know that on December 30, 2023, BK was not allowed back on WSU campus, until further notice of the outcome of his student conduct hearings.

It's possible that the student conduct violation is related to his altercations with the faculty member who taught the class that BK was TA-ing for. Or maybe he was stalking, whether in person or online. If the latter, then the Conduct Board at WSU is able to suspend or vote to go the expulsion route.

ETA - BK received the Trespass Admonition while in jail in PA, IIRC.

And as we've discussed in previous threads, most PhD student offices are used sparingly anyway. They certainly wouldn't have been outfitted with a computer, and would have likely just provided a quiet place to meet with students when necessary. He might not have left anything in there even if he hadn't had his TA job terminated.

We also know it was a shared office, which is common for grad students. (I think the fellow students who used the office were, IIRC, unfortunately named on one of the warrants. I remember discussing that it was unfortunate their names had not been redacted).

 

[whiterhino]

I interpret her tone entirely differently, MOO. It’s a discussion she’s had with a hundred of students & she wasn’t going to be sucked into his game, MOO.

Also MOO, but striking to me were the word games BK unsuccessfully tried to play. And how easily the lies rolled off his tongue. It was kinda chilling to me.

All MOO.

The LEO was very nice to him. To me, she sounded like she was thrown off. As you said, she does that all day every day and Idk, I just got a snarky vibe from him.

When he mentioned the rural area thing again, it reminded me of Ed Kemper who also wanted to work in law enforcement. JMO.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

@Sjöberg starting on page 10, you can find the results of the presumptive chemical tests for blood:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

 

[Boxer]

According to the PCA the return route back to WSU: "8458 phone traveling south on ID state highway 95 to Genesee, ID, then traveling west towards 13 Uniontown, ID, and then north back into Pullman, WA. IMO,this route is not really close to the Snake River. According to Google Maps, this route appears to cross over Union Flat Creek.

However, according to the PCA, later that afternoon, BK took a drive to Lewiston, ID. Now that is where the Snake River is close. Clearwater River is a tributary of the Snake River with a bridge. An Albertsons in Lewiston is across the bridge. So, JMO, I think he may have dumped evidence during this afternoon drive rather than on the route home.

Sounds very reasonable. MOO also there might be conflict about letting the weapon go.

 

[NyxNY]

I remember a discussion where we were wondering what his voice sounds like....well now we know.

Terrible driver, pulled over 4 times that we know of in under 6 months.

WOW, he is definitely dissembling arguing. Wonder if he got a ticket?

Here's a thought. What if DM recognizes his voice?

She let him off with a warning, but he still continues the debate. He couldn't just let it go.

 

[gliving]

New body camera, audio recording sheds more light on Kohberger apartment search​

 

[Cool Cats]

She let him off with a warning, but he still continues the debate. He couldn't just let it go.

Speaks volumes

I know someone like this from another case I follow and he tells his 2 death penalty attorneys what to do.

 

[gliving]

Washington State Univ. Police ask for additional search warrant for Kohberger's storage unit​

 

[Cool Cats]

Reporting my own post because I don't know if it's allowed. But we heard early on that BK may have had OCD tendencies, based on what an aunt told MSM. If this is true, it fits with no shower curtain. Some patients feel shower curtains are a breeding ground for bacteria and germs and choose not to have one or change it very frequently (like weekly).

Another thing that fits with no shower curtain is an (alleged) killer going home after driving to various Idaho towns - from PCA - and ditching "murder kit" items including bloody clothes, then going home to shower and after rinsing shower area leaving some blood - according to new information - THROWS AWAY THE SHOWER CURTAIN TO GET RID OF EVIDENCE.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Now I recall discussion very early on before we had this information to confirm.

Somehow I did not see "curtain rod in shower" or "no shower curtain in bathroom" when I was reading last night. Duh.

It is a bit strange.

IIRC (it’s been a few years) the shower curtain rod is fixed (part of the apartment) while tenants would provide their own shower curtain, if needed.

Do we know BK is a shower rather than a bath person? No shower curtain needed, really, if he’s a bath person. Everyone in my immediate family is Camp Shower, but I have friends & extended family who are Team Bath. MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

IIRC (it’s been a few years) the shower curtain rod is fixed (part of the apartment) while tenants would provide their own shower curtain, if needed.

Do we know BK is a shower rather than a bath person? No shower curtain needed, really, if he’s a bath person. Everyone in my immediate family is Camp Shower, but I have friends & extended family who are Team Bath. MOO.

I believe he threw the shower curtain away. If he was showering after allegedly killing 4 people with blood all over, he would throw the curtain away. Plus, he didn't need to replace it because he left town.

 

[NCWatcher]

I believe he threw the shower curtain away. If he was showering after allegedly killing 4 people with blood all over, he would throw the curtain away. Plus, he didn't need to replace it because he left town.

But he didn't leave town for a month, it's not like he left the next day.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

But he didn't leave town for a month, it's not like he left the next day.
JMO

Right!!!

I got ahead of myself. He was still there for a month.

So I have to rethink my theory. My theory is that he threw out the curtain to hide possible blood evidence but then why not replace the curtain? He would need a new curtain to shower.

I think he would have replaced the curtain, LE can look at his bank records for possible purchases - and then I think to be extra careful he threw out the newer curtain also..

I'm stuck on him throwing it out because I don't think it is realistic that he only took baths and not realistic to shower without the curtain. Plus his dad helped him set up his apartment so I believe he would definitely have used shower curtains.

If someone uses shower curtains and their shower curtain is missing, I believe they threw it out.

 

[Nila Aella]

• 05/04/2023 Motion to Compel Discovery
• 05/04/2023 Order
• 05/05/2023 Notice of Remote Hearing

 

[10ofRods]

Who has said the families can't set up foundations or charities? The gag order has nothing to do with that.

I think SG feels he's not allowed to speak as freely as he wants. Of COURSE they can do a charity (and I believe they have) but maybe SG wants to do speaking tours. I have no clue.

Do you think he's permitted to go about and speak about what he already knows about the case? From my POV, he's not bound by the gag order, but maybe his attorneys have said something else to him.

Isn't he the one who is bringing the motion? Maybe he's challenging the notion that the State's lawyers are no longer speaking to him about the case, which he feels he needs to move forward with his project.

I dunno. But there must be some reason, right? Why do you think there's the challenge?

 

[NCWatcher]

Right!!!

I got ahead of myself. He was still there for a month.

So I have to rethink my theory. My theory is that he threw out the curtain to hide possible blood evidence but then why not replace the curtain? He would need a new curtain to shower.

I think he would have replaced the curtain, LE can look at his bank records for possible purchases - and then I think to be extra careful he threw out the newer curtain also..

I'm stuck on him throwing it out because I don't think it is realistic that he only took baths and not realistic to shower without the curtain. Plus his dad helped him set up his apartment so I believe he would definitely have used shower curtains.

If someone uses shower curtains and their shower curtain is missing, I believe they threw it out.

And you might be right. And he might have thrown a second or third curtain out during the month between Nov 13 & Dec 13 or so. But he could have tossed shower curtains for other reasons than fear of crime scene contamination. Or he might not have liked using a shower curtain at all. Depending on the type of shower head and the showering style of the person, it may be possible to forego a curtain without getting water everywhere. There's just a lot we don't know about BK's habits and his psyche.

Honestly if he did replace the curtain because he was worried the first curtain might have crime scene evidence and then he got rid of curtain #2 for the same reason, I'm surprised he left the bed pillow that apparently contained visible stains.
JMO

 

[U.N. Known]

<snipped for focus>

If you mean by "firing" that BK lost his TA position, then we do know that this happened that he lost his teaching assistantship. But until the "Trespass Admonition" notice, we didn't know if BK had chosen not to return to WSU in the spring 2023 semester, or if he was expelled.

Now we know that on December 30, 2023, BK was not allowed back on WSU campus, until further notice of the outcome of his student conduct hearings.

It's possible that the student conduct violation is related to his altercations with the faculty member who taught the class that BK was TA-ing for. Or maybe he was stalking, whether in person or online. If the latter, then the Conduct Board at WSU is able to suspend or vote to go the expulsion route.

ETA - BK received the Trespass Admonition while in jail in PA, IIRC.

Like everyone else, I'm guessing, but I have an inkling that the Trespass letter is related to the murder charges and the negative publicity associated with it due to BK's position.

IIRC, his profile as a TA was still live until just after the arrest was announced (can anyone confirm or disprove?). Clearly, it does not truly make a difference to me if he was or was not relieved of his TA position; however, if he was, it seems odd that the university would leave BK's information on their site for the twoish weeks between the dated letter out there when he was fired and the PCAs release.

Has anyone compared the verfiable letter from WSU in the latest document release to the other letter posted about BK's firing?

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

• 05/04/2023 Motion to Compel Discovery

Thank you! I suspected we'd see one of these.

It's also interesting because it's a peek into Exh A & Exh B.

Exhibit A to 1st Supplemental was sealed

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022023%20Order%20to%20File%20Defendants%20Exhibit%20A%20Attached%20to%20the%20Defendants%201st%20Supplemental%20Request%20for%20Disco.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/020323%20Defendants%201st%20Supplemental%20Request%20for%20Discovery.pdf

and so was Exhibit B to 2nd Supplemental and yet some bit of information is shown on the Motion to Compel

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/032423%20Order%20to%20File%20Defendants%20Exhibit%20B%20Attached%20to%20the%20Defendants%202nd%20Supplemental%20Request%20for%20Discove.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/032423%20Defendants%202nd%20Supplemental%20Request%20for%20Discovery.pdf

edited to add links to 1st & 2nd Supplemental Requests for convenience

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I somewhat doubt it is related to the crime (only because I just cannot make sense how and why), but why or earth did he have blood stains under two different rugs? Or does anyone know, were there updates and were these later somehow ruled out (as these were presumptive tests for blood)?

Rug was negative, not positive.