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Don’t buy it. But you’re right, they have something linking him.Seems there is more to the PA grand jury convening than just an alibi. There's a thread about the murder of the woman recently discovered in PA on Websleuths - Dana Smithers. Something about a car.........
I found an article where they interviewed the woman's sister. An armchair sleuth reached out to her and suggested BK as a possible suspect, and she turned that info over to LE. There is no cause of death for Dana Smithers and BK was not named as a suspect. My take on that article was that they are being thorough so that, if/when they charge someone, that person's attorney can't say they ignored BK as a suspect.
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Bryan Kohberger dragged into missing-woman cold case after online sleuths tip off family
University of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger has been dragged into an investigation into a missing woman, Dana Smithers, who was recently found dead.nypost.com
But, is it a GJ for BK, or a GJ about the murder, and his parents just happen to be witnesses? He hasn't been named as a suspect, or even a person of interest, which I found key. Also, I found this FB post by the area police department and it says very clearly that they have NO evidence that ties him to her disappearance in ANY way. That's why I think they're just formally eliminating him, because he makes a great SODDI candidate for whoever eventually gets charged.
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Warning online sleuths could 'ruin lives' after false Idaho murders allegations
INTERNET sleuths risk ruining the lives of people wrongly accused of crimes and threaten to jeopardize cases, law enforcement experts have warned. Amateur detectives are known for combing through s…www.the-sun.com
This article describes the danger of social media sleuths accusing innocent people of crimes and ruining lives in the process.
They haven't released how DS was killed, iirc ?I saw that too, and I'm still perplexed by Monroe County decided to subpoena (I assume they did) the parents of BK into a Grand Jury. Surely it wasn't based on the victim's sister's connection to an armchair sleuth. Surely the investigators must have said to themselves, "Hmm, right, let's check that out?" I also find it hard to believe that local LE didn't already have BK on their radar. This sounds like sensationalism, to me.
I agree that they couldn't ignore BK as a suspect, but surely LE could figure that out without the armchair detective? It's crazy to think we could have come to that point in crime investigation. My opinion, obviously.
Entirely possible that this is the future of investigations (crowd-sourcing tips is already a think - and there were 9000 or so tips in the Idaho Four murders, according to recent discovery documents). The only difference here is that the tip went to a family member (which surely has happened before).
IMO.
His parents "just happen" to be witnesses? To what? How did the Kohbergers get drawn into this murder? The only news we have says that it's because the victim's sister mentioned him as a suspect. My point is that BK is clearly being discussed within the GJ, IMO.
I do not think the Kohbergers, from 30-40 miles away are randomly involved in this case, personally. I did not mean to imply that the GJ was raised merely for Kohberger, I thought it was clear from context. There are clearly Kohbergers at the GJ and I can't think of any other reason why they'd be there, except in regards to their son.
I find it very surprising that they'd use a GJ in PA to eliminate all known leads (or even just one known lead) for whom they had no other evidence. Totally different to how GJ's work where I live - but that's always interesting to me. Also different to the Idaho one that indicted BK.
If they have another suspect (for the GJ), then it will make more sense. If we never hear another word about the GJ's findings, it makes less sense to me. Of course, where I live, the GJ has to publish an annual report of its cases and its findings, it cannot remain secret.
IMO.
How do we KNOW, as a fact, that the PA Grand Jury has subpoenaed BK's parents about DANA SMITHERS??? Couldn't they be questioning them about a different case, and it's been wrongly reported?Don’t buy it. But you’re right, they have something linking him.
I agree, although I don't think it would have been his last...If this wasn’t his first murder(s), I’ll eat my hat. He’s an outlier.
BINGO! It's fun to speculate, so I've speculated about a dozen or more different scenarios that have nothing to do with a tragic unsolved murder & seem far more likely to me.How do we KNOW, as a fact, that the PA Grand Jury has subpoenaed BK's parents about DANA SMITHERS??? Couldn't they be questioning them about a different case, and it's been wrongly reported?
I'm pretty sure that Judge John Judge is beating himself up even more than Websleuthers, and I feel for him. I've been imagining putting myself in his position. The pressure would be on BIGTIME. It's one thing to be a Judge in an Idaho court. It's another thing entirely to be centre stage in one of the highest-profile court proceedings ever broadcast live in the free world. If that were me, I would have prepared ad nauseum to cover all bases (and I'm quite sure that Judge Judge did exactly this.) Checking points of law, ensuring that any possible issue which could arise was covered - probably even checked that the mike was working. Thankfully, for me, I don't think I can truly imagine that level of pressure. (As an aside, I have occasionally been required to speak publicly in front of large audiences. The level of pressure which I experienced was probably a zillionth of a percent of what Judge Judge was experiencing, but I was sweating bullets nevertheless.)Other than mentioning it briefly the evening of the hearing, I have stayed away from the discussion of the multiple name pronunciation errors that Judge Judge made during BK's brief court appearance. First, I want to make it clear that I am sure they were not done intentionally, and the judge surely felt badly about the flubs, especially after it was noted that Kaylee's sister dressed down one of the court advocates afterwards. I will say, however, I may have found one slipup an acceptable case of nerves, but he completely butchered the names of two of the four victims. If he had never heard the names spoken, perhaps it may be reasonable to assume that the name 'Xana' would be pronounced with a long 'A', but referring to Kaylee as 'Kayla' is just unacceptable. That is not a simple mispronunciation. That is misreading the name, not once, but twice. Furthermore, for most people, 'Kernodle', while certainly not as common as 'Smith' or 'Jones', is not a terribly uncommon name, and the pronunciation seems to be pretty much straightforward, but yet he stumbled over that name several times.
I do not blame any family members for voicing disappointment in the mispronunciations of their loved ones' names. I probably would have responded the same way. This judge lives in the area, presumably, and unless he lives under a rock, he has surely heard the names of Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin MANY times over the last six months, surely enough times to be able to pronounce them correctly. While he may have just had a bad case of nerves, which, if so, he better get over quickly, bc this case is going to be followed closely, all over the nation, his flubbing of the names was not a good look. Imo, though I am sure that is not the case, it made him APPEAR to be completely unprepared for the hearing. I trust their names will be pronounced correctly in the future. JMO
They haven't released how DS was killed, iirc ?
Maybe stabbed ?
Although it's not impossible for a killer to use different methods.
Like Richard Kuklinski.
BK scares me as much as RK.
Imo.
I’ve never heard of an investigative grand jury either.Since the usual purpose of a GJ in criminal matters is to indict and since only the prosecution gives evidence to a GJ, it's odd for me to think that they are having the GJ look at alternate suspects at this point in time. Of course, I don't know the threshold of probable cause for a Monroe Co, PA GJ.
One would think that if there were "no evidence" against a particular person, that person would not be introduced as a subject to a GJ (it would be a waste of their time." What does the Prosecutor say to the GJ in that case?
Someone mentioned an investigative GJ, which I've never heard of. Would love more info on that aspect.
If Dana Smither was stabbed, that still doesn't seem to be enough to warrant having the Kohberger parents in for whatever reason. OTOH, maybe the authorities thought they'd use this technique to loop in some specific testimony from the parents that could not otherwise be gotten.
I've never seen this maneuver before.
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Nice, this was what I was wondering about earlier. So re BK parents testifying at GJ maybe this is an investigative Grand Jury looking into the Dana Smithers case. Or it could be that this 'story' has been mis-reported in some way and the GJ to which BK's parents are testifying is unrelated to Dana Smithers case and instead is related to a different investigation (I just saw this conjectured in another post and do wonder given the statement by Monroe County Chief of Police on FB). MOOWas looking at grand juries in PA: Apparently they have two types: Investigative and Inditing grand juries: Investigative grand juries look at evidence for potential crimes. MOO
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What is a grand jury, and how does it work?
By definition, this process is a one-sided affair; defense lawyers don't have the opportunity to present any evidence or cross-examine witnesses in the grand jury room.www.pennlive.com
In Pennsylvania, a statewide investigating grand jury is a tool used most often to investigate potential crimes, usually in prosecutor-led probes out of the Attorney General's office.
I've also thought it odd that the HVAC van showed up when it did and your post bringing it up again makes me wonder: Could the rental house at 1122 King Rd have had a wireless thermostat? If so, might BK have hacked into the home's wireless network through that wireless thermostat?I've said it before, and I will say it again. There is something to that HVAC van that I can't shake. This may be it, or it may not be. It just didn't belong there while the crime scene was still active IMO. I do not recall any of the media doing live coverage filming when it pulled up. It was always just in the background of their coverage. Someone has to have it.
Lovely post. Thank you.I'm pretty sure that Judge John Judge is beating himself up even more than Websleuthers, and I feel for him. I've been imagining putting myself in his position. The pressure would be on BIGTIME. It's one thing to be a Judge in an Idaho court. It's another thing entirely to be centre stage in one of the highest-profile court proceedings ever broadcast live in the free world. If that were me, I would have prepared ad nauseum to cover all bases (and I'm quite sure that Judge Judge did exactly this.) Checking points of law, ensuring that any possible issue which could arise was covered - probably even checked that the mike was working. Thankfully, for me, I don't think I can truly imagine that level of pressure. (As an aside, I have occasionally been required to speak publicly in front of large audiences. The level of pressure which I experienced was probably a zillionth of a percent of what Judge Judge was experiencing, but I was sweating bullets nevertheless.)
Of course he didn't deliberately pronounce the victims' names incorrectly. He is known to be a compassionate (and learned) man, and undoubtedly would be concerned that his miss-pronunciation has caused distress to the victims' loved ones.
Respectfully, IMHO, the Native American Plains proverb "Great Spirit, grant that I may not criticize my neighbour until I have walked a mile in his moccasins" seems particularly relevant here.
For me, the thing that matters most in the end, is that he presides over a fair court which enables justice for the victims to prevail. MOO IMHO
Wouldn’t put it past the Mail.How do we KNOW, as a fact, that the PA Grand Jury has subpoenaed BK's parents about DANA SMITHERS??? Couldn't they be questioning them about a different case, and it's been wrongly reported?
Yup. Agree with that two. The BAU must be doing a lot of analysis on him.I agree, although I don't think it would have been his last...
From: What is a grand jury, and how does it work?Since the usual purpose of a GJ in criminal matters is to indict and since only the prosecution gives evidence to a GJ, it's odd for me to think that they are having the GJ look at alternate suspects at this point in time. Of course, I don't know the threshold of probable cause for a Monroe Co, PA GJ.
One would think that if there were "no evidence" against a particular person, that person would not be introduced as a subject to a GJ (it would be a waste of their time." What does the Prosecutor say to the GJ in that case?
Someone mentioned an investigative GJ, which I've never heard of. Would love more info on that aspect.
If Dana Smither was stabbed, that still doesn't seem to be enough to warrant having the Kohberger parents in for whatever reason. OTOH, maybe the authorities thought they'd use this technique to loop in some specific testimony from the parents that could not otherwise be gotten.
I've never seen this maneuver before.
IMO
If this wasn’t his first murder(s), I’ll eat my hat. He’s an outlier.