MassGuy
The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed
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Exactly. There are laws, and this all comes out in court. There was one case I can recall when law enforcement did use (I think) 23 and me. But they changed their policies.I don't think you are correct about what the FBI is entitled to do - but you certainly are entitled to view it that way. No way to prove that the FBI doesn't sometimes use those databases. I've mostly seen the FBI say, "Nope, we got what we got, and they aren't in our databases).
Do you have any news articles or other information saying that the FBI is regularly breaking the rules of known contracts? Or that any genetic genealogy companies have allowed it? Does the FBI hack in or do they just show up? I simply can't envision how it could happen and I do not believe the FBI would risk cases (except maybe very very cold ones) with that kind of tactic.
So, I think you need to back your statement up with facts - this is not what FBI (or any LE) does, IMO. That's certainly not what they are taught to do. And it would be illegal, IMO.
Which databases are unregulated? Can you give an example? What actual cans of worms have there been?
TIA. I agree that the window (if it was ever open) is closing for unfettered access to large online databases (I am very familiar with Ancestry and 23andme and would like to think I've read about ALL of the cases in which they allowed LE to use their databases without a warrant - for 23, it's zero cases (and only 1 warrant last time I checked) and Ancestry also requires a warrant - but has responded to half a dozen of those warrants.
Requiring a warrant is a form of regulation. 23andme and its Board of Directors have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars battling LE on this issue and have won (and kept their records to themselves) every time (always requiring a warrant, no cooperation whatsoever, otherwise).
That would not keep an end user from sharing their own results with whomever they wished, though. If I thought a relative of mine was a murderer, I could upload my DNA to Othram (which I would do) and then contact LE and tell them to "go for it." Othram tells all end users that they will use the data for forensic purposes. However, even if you combined 23, Ancestry and Othram, it would come no where close to most people - because there are many repeated data sets (90% or more of Othram or Parabon's customers had their DNA run via saliva samples with Ancestry or 23).
IMO.
You get a DNA test from Ancestry or another company, and you’re able to download it, then upload it to a site like GED Match. Opt in, and they can use it. I have, because if someone in my family rapes or murders someone, they deserve to go down.