4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

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From reporter's X/ Twitter (later corrected):
" #BryanKohberger hearing for tomorrow has been postponed... rescheduled for 10/26/21."

maskedwoman said:
... wonder if BK is glad that he agreed to waive that right to a speedy trial. ;)
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Maybe BK wishes he could rewind two full years of his life back to October 26, 2021? Or even October 26, 2022, so he could take a different path.

IDK, maybe he is optimistic about chances of a NG verdict.

^ sbm Thx @masked woman.^
 
This is pure speculation, but I feel as if Kohberger is the type that doesn’t handle change very well. He’s gotten accustomed to his new routine and probably feels comfortable in jail (punctuated with new suits and ties and public appearances). He can speak with his family, read the evidence over and over.
IMO.
 
Whenever my wife asks me to do something I don't feel like doing...

I can usually get away with 2 or 3 "wait's" before I have to face the inevitable.

BK is kind of like that, but a quadruple murder.
 
10ofRods said:
This is pure speculation, but I feel as if Kohberger is the type that doesn’t handle change very well. He’s gotten accustomed to his new routine and probably feels comfortable in jail (punctuated with new suits and ties and public appearances). He can speak with his family, read the evidence over and over.
IMO.
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IMHO, the sheer irony, but people like BK do well in the army, or any para-military structure, or jail, where the schedule is fixed and there are instructions for every situation. Organized sports also help. Here, the schedule is very fixed, he knows what’s for breakfast and every change is announced way in advance. Plus, he sleeps at night. Kudos to Idaho police for keeping him in a good shape.
 
Interesting tidbit about BK's former Professor and University:

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Dr. AC made breakthroughs in the field of criminal psychology by working closely with the exact subjects he was studying. He’d spend hours and hours interviewing murderers and rapists in his quest to understand the criminal mind, resulting in him coining the term “compartmentalization.”

But it was C’s collaboration with Dr. KR, a professor in criminal psychology at DeSales University, that led to the term “cubing” — which BTK Killer Dennis Rader actually came up with.

But then, Rader took the theory a bit further. He suggested that compartmentalization wasn't the best way to understand how killers are able to live among the general public undetected. In his mind, the phrase “cubing” made more sense because it represented the “different faces of a person.”

“He can be what he needs to be. He just twists the cube around,” Ramsland explained.

How BTK Coined the Term "Cubing" and How It Helps Serial Killers Elude Capture, According to Experts
 
girlhasnoname said:
Interesting tidbit about BK's former Professor and University:

<snipped & BBM>

Dr. AC made breakthroughs in the field of criminal psychology by working closely with the exact subjects he was studying. He’d spend hours and hours interviewing murderers and rapists in his quest to understand the criminal mind, resulting in him coining the term “compartmentalization.”

But it was C’s collaboration with Dr. KR, a professor in criminal psychology at DeSales University, that led to the term “cubing” — which BTK Killer Dennis Rader actually came up with.

But then, Rader took the theory a bit further. He suggested that compartmentalization wasn't the best way to understand how killers are able to live among the general public undetected. In his mind, the phrase “cubing” made more sense because it represented the “different faces of a person.”

“He can be what he needs to be. He just twists the cube around,” Ramsland explained.

How BTK Coined the Term "Cubing" and How It Helps Serial Killers Elude Capture, According to Experts
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I really like this post and the information in it.

But I have opinions.

Narcissists, the whole lot of them! I feel like there’s glorification in this behavioral study. A person’s decision to harm another and deceive the rest takes less skill than practice. I understand what it’s purpose is meant to be, but I can also see how a certain type could read into this and consider themself among “the elite”.

I also hate BTK for trying to brand “multi-faceted” as his own genius understanding of human behavior…Dennis Rader…involuntary EYE-ROLL…I wish he’d coin a phrase for that.

I wish for every study on “the criminal mastermind” there was a heavier focus on how it’s harder to balance your emotions with patience, and why some people struggle so much with it.
 
Vivyinsect said:
I really like this post and the information in it.

But I have opinions.

Narcissists, the whole lot of them! I feel like there’s glorification in this behavioral study. A person’s decision to harm another and deceive the rest takes less skill than practice. I understand what it’s purpose is meant to be, but I can also see how a certain type could read into this and consider themself among “the elite”.

I also hate BTK for trying to brand “multi-faceted” as his own genius understanding of human behavior…Dennis Rader…involuntary EYE-ROLL…I wish he’d coin a phrase for that.

I wish for every study on “the criminal mastermind” there was a heavier focus on how it’s harder to balance your emotions with patience, and why some people struggle so much with it.
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Agree, I can't stand when they give any 'celebrity' to these monsters.

I do think it was interesting that this was BK's former Professor and University. I wonder if he also had a fascination with BTK?

MOO
 
Vivyinsect said:
I really like this post and the information in it.

But I have opinions.

Narcissists, the whole lot of them! I feel like there’s glorification in this behavioral study. A person’s decision to harm another and deceive the rest takes less skill than practice. I understand what it’s purpose is meant to be, but I can also see how a certain type could read into this and consider themself among “the elite”.

I also hate BTK for trying to brand “multi-faceted” as his own genius understanding of human behavior…Dennis Rader…involuntary EYE-ROLL…I wish he’d coin a phrase for that.

I wish for every study on “the criminal mastermind” there was a heavier focus on how it’s harder to balance your emotions with patience, and why some people struggle so much with it.
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Two faced times three. How nice.
No one can detect you are literally a monster.
And glee at getting away with being with people that would never come near you uniess decieved.
I feel his family probably got physically sick when they realized.
 
Vivyinsect said:
I really like this post and the information in it.

But I have opinions.

Narcissists, the whole lot of them! I feel like there’s glorification in this behavioral study. A person’s decision to harm another and deceive the rest takes less skill than practice. I understand what it’s purpose is meant to be, but I can also see how a certain type could read into this and consider themself among “the elite”.

I also hate BTK for trying to brand “multi-faceted” as his own genius understanding of human behavior…Dennis Rader…involuntary EYE-ROLL…I wish he’d coin a phrase for that.

I wish for every study on “the criminal mastermind” there was a heavier focus on how it’s harder to balance your emotions with patience, and why some people struggle so much with it.
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Maybe cubing is different from multi faceted. Multi faceted implies that there are many facets, some of which you can see part of even when only one facet is facing you. Think brilliant cut diamond. Even when the largest facet faces you, you see several others.

But with a cube, you only see one flat side. No dimensions at all. And no dimensions when any side is facing you. Just flat. Always flat. If BTK says cubing, how non dimensional must he be?
 
Ghostwheel said:
Maybe cubing is different from multi faceted. Multi faceted implies that there are many facets, some of which you can see part of even when only one facet is facing you. Think brilliant cut diamond. Even when the largest facet faces you, you see several others.

But with a cube, you only see one flat side. No dimensions at all. And no dimensions when any side is facing you. Just flat. Always flat. If BTK says cubing, how non dimensional must he be?
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I think it sounds like a rubics cube. For some of these murderers, maybe each face is all mixed up, and can be turned and twisted into something else that isn't right, but it's impossible for them to get the damn thing straight.
 
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Ghostwheel said:
Maybe cubing is different from multi faceted. Multi faceted implies that there are many facets, some of which you can see part of even when only one facet is facing you. Think brilliant cut diamond. Even when the largest facet faces you, you see several others.

But with a cube, you only see one flat side. No dimensions at all. And no dimensions when any side is facing you. Just flat. Always flat. If BTK says cubing, how non dimensional must he be?
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Maybe cubing is a good analogy for a person who has a few different split 'selves' that perhaps don't even see one another. Allowing someone who has done something demonic to say wholeheartedly I did not do this and will clear my name. The switch.

Multifaceted and multidimensional sound more like people who are gifted and deep, who can speak in many languages metaphorically speaking. JMO MOO
 

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Cool Cats said:

Mother of Idaho murders victim Ethan Chapin stuns true crime convention with surprise cameo​

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Good for her. She is out there making sure that Ethan's (and all the other victims) name(s) are not trashed. How brave of her and I admire the Chapin family immensely. Class act all the way.
 
al66pine said:
From reporter's X/ Twitter (later corrected):
" #BryanKohberger hearing for tomorrow has been postponed... rescheduled for 10/26/21."



Maybe BK wishes he could rewind two full years of his life back to October 26, 2021? Or even October 26, 2022, so he could take a different path.

IDK, maybe he is optimistic about chances of a NG verdict.

^ sbm Thx @masked woman.^
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Unless he is totally delusional, he certainly can't expect to get off on these charges.

Doesn't matter to me if they postpone the trial for years. IMO, that <modsnip - namecalling> is going to remain in jail before, during and after the trial regardless.
 
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10ofRods said:
I wish I were as confident as you are in the word choices and meaning of the Defense.

But I'm not. I've spent too long working around lawyers (and in labs) for me to think that.

"Cleaning" is an ordinary activity, is it not? Some people would claim that "cleaning" DNA is impossible (and it is difficult, in many circumstances - but not impossible). With time and effort, it's possible (esp with pre-planning).

The possibility that the defendant may have knowingly and knowledgeably erased evidence (I believe he didn't enter his apartment wearing bloody clothes, btw) is on the table. I won't mention the ways that blood and DNA evidence can be altered or rendered useless, but the process could be indistinguishable from ordinary detailing of a car. I am guessing most people would know what *not* to use in this process - but a person with a master's in criminal justice should know ALL the alternatives.

Finding upholstery cleaner in a car is normal. The Defense implies that (somehow) all methods of cleaning DNA from a car or apartment would be detectable, but I think that the State would have been heavily criticized if they had added "carpeting had been cleaned with X solution" to the PCA. However, I do expect an expert to testify that the car was very, very clean (showing signs of recent use of a vacuum and of other products). Can the forensics say WHEN this was done? Not that I know of. Can they say how many times it was done? Not in my opinion.

The Defense of course wants to spin this in their own direction. If I were the State, I'd wait until trial to give the evidence about all the "chemicals" found in the car. If it's quite a few different ones (again, I am not going to list viable ways of ridding various car components of heme/DNA evidence), that could make for a good couple of hours of testimony. In the end, an expert will likely testify that the car was thoroughly cleaned and list all the ways it was cleaned - thereby leaving the jury to guess what had been there before the cleaning. This is why we have juries and why juries are supposed to use their own standards of reasoning.

So I couldn't disagree more with your statement that "this means they did not detect chemicals in his car." Of course there were chemicals in his car (all kinds - including byproducts of the carpeting and upholstery itself). I would imagine that a good forensics team would have taken samples from those items. Are you saying that the car had NEVER once been cleaned? How would you know this? It would take expert testimony to walk a jury through the forensic processes used on the carpet, seats, steering wheel, etc. They could have found many different products - but without any way of putting a timestamp on it.

What I'd like to see, of course, is whether Kohberger's own DNA was distributed in the car in a manner consistent with ordinary use. THAT would make for interesting expert testimony.

But there's no way you can know what the lab found - unless you are an insider to this case.

IMO.
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Also, let's say BK bought a ton of cleaning supplies all at once right after the murders and the prosecution has the receipt.

That would just be another piece of circumstantial evidence that Mr. BK would have to explain away\ with all the other. At some point there is so much circumstantial evidence to add to the DNA evidence that a reasonable person would not think his explanations are plausable.
 
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