4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #94

[Cool Cats]

Thanks, CC. I had forgotten this. And they probably couldn't use "Uber" in that article.

Right, need to use the term "private driver."

I will bet my bottom dollar that what is going on with the defense at this point is all about overcoming the tight timeline.

Timeline has been locked down.

Show Kohberger was too far away to have been to King road at 4:00 am and it is a huge plus....I think Sy can show possibilities but not enough concrete evidence to pin point with certainty Kohberger's exact position.

Jury needs concrete evidence not possibilities. Note that AT is not disputing the lab DNA.

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[SpiderFalcon]

Right, need to use the term "private driver."

I will bet my bottom dollar that what is going on with the defense at this point is all about overcoming the tight timeline.

Timeline has been locked down.

Show Kohberger was too far away to have been to King road at 4:00 am and it is a huge plus....I think Sy can show possibilities but not enough concrete evidence to pin point with certainty Kohberger's exact position.

Jury needs concrete evidence not possibilities. Note that AT is not disputing the lab DNA.

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Yes, and if you go down the list of things AT could possibly dispute, she's running out of items. Also, I noticed JJJ ordered a scheduling hearing at the end of the month, to schedule all the things necessary for trial. I noticed he didn't include THE ALIBI. The pressure is ON.

 

[Nila Aella]

At time stamp 3:06:40 approximately, AT discusses UBER logs. Anyone have a theory as to why she's requesting these, and why MPD acquired them?

I went back to look for that particular number (326) in the requests for discovery and was unable to locate. The 4th motion to compel was in reference to the 10th and 11th supplemental requests, which have exhibits sealed.

She does say password protected Uber logs between Detective Mowery and Uber company. Not sure what that means.

Uber does have a log analytics platform.

JMO

Which victims? I've remembered that K/M got a private ride, and I thought E/X walked from the frat house. Did BF or DM Uber home? Also, do Ubers generally have dashcams? I thought maybe that's why....

I agree. There were different reports in the beginning between it being an uber (LE) or private ride (G family). Also different times given for the ride home. Uber allows drivers to install dashcams or other recording devices in their vehicles for safety.

I don't recall mention of how the survivors returned home, just when.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Which victims? I've remembered that K/M got a private ride, and I thought E/X walked from the frat house. Did BF or DM Uber home? Also, do Ubers generally have dashcams? I thought maybe that's why....

IMO I think E/X got a ride from the frat house via JK and that was the $6 Venmo transaction EC had to JK at 11:40pm. JK was a freshman in the fraternity and was probably on sober ride duty for the fraternity that night. So, I don't think the Uber records have anything to do with JK or E/X going home that night. I think they are related to something else.

 

[whiterhino]

These were skin cells/touch DNA. Touch DNA can get anywhere and everywhere without the person even being in the presence of the object their DNA was found on. All it would take is a simple transfer such as the killer having on gloves he used in the murder and buying gasoline at the same pump BK had used earlier and then BK's DNA would be on the killer's glove, then the killer goes to the crime scene, unsnaps the sheath and BK's DNA is on the snap.

There seems to be no motive for BK to have committed this crime.

Innocent transfer of touch DNA is not framing someone. We ALL transfer touch DNA every single day.

We still have nothing about the white Elantra that proves it was BK's car. No images of BK in the car, no license plate, no markings on the car that prove it was one and the same. There are no images of the car driving back to Pullman or even how it left from 1122 King Rd. It was brought out in the last 2 hearings that LE did not use the cellular timing report to determine where BK's car went, so they don't really know.

It is NOT DNA transfer!

You've also taken my comment/question out of context, entirely.

It's quite obvious I wasn't questioning BKs motives.

Headed to trial in a case with the death penalty on the table. How did it get this far with planted DNA? Really?!

MOO.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

IMO I think E/X got a ride from the frat house via JK and that was the $6 Venmo transaction EC had to JK at 11:40pm. JK was a freshman in the fraternity and was probably on sober ride duty for the fraternity that night. So, I don't think the Uber records have anything to do with JK or E/X going home that night. I think they are related to something else.

My impression was that the "private ride" that K/M took to get home, was a service provided by the University. Did I imagine that? So it might have actually been an Uber but contracted through the University (or the greek houses?) and thus the students maybe don't pay, so they don't call it Uber because they're not using their personal Uber accounts? Just a guess/speculation.

 

[Nila Aella]

Idaho Judicial Cases Page

• 06/14/2024 Temporary Order Sealing Fourth Supplemental Response

Case Summary Page

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiyjJOu3OOGAxVNElkFHe1ZBWoQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcoi.isc.idaho.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw3QpkN0NQPCGFbgfzIE_S1f&opi=89978449

 

[10ofRods]

So, here we go with the motion for Change of Venue.

I predict one more (asking Judge to recuse himself) so that they can later appeal on that basis.

I predict Judge Judge will deny both motions as they come up.

Maybe by October, they'll be able to re-set a trial date.

IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

So, here we go with the motion for Change of Venue.

I predict one more (asking Judge to recuse himself) so that they can later appeal on that basis.

I predict Judge Judge will deny both motions as they come up.

Maybe by October, they'll be able to re-set a trial date.

IMO

On what grounds for dismissal of judge?

This judge bends over backwards for Kohberger's constitutional rights. He just gave them more DNA related documents and allowed their cell "specialist" to testify and is giving them a monthly hearing in general.....I could go on.....Is allowing their controversial survey to continue - same questions.

Defense for Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger granted expanded access to DNA records​

June 16, 2024 at 4:18 pm

Defense for Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger granted expanded access to DNA records

The man awaiting trial on charges of killing four University of Idaho students secured access for investigators working on his behalf to sealed DNA records central to how police first landed on him as the suspect.

www.seattletimes.com

Idaho Statesman
BOISE, Idaho — Bryan Kohberger's defense team was granted access to sealed DNA records central to how police first landed on him as the suspect.

At the request of his attorneys the judge overseeing the case expanded review privileges to the protected information as he continues to mount his legal defense. The court’s ruling came after a closed-door hearing on the issue held last month.

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[pittsburghgirl]

There seems to be no motive for BK to have committed this crime...

We still have nothing about the white Elantra that proves it was BK's car. No images of BK in the car, no license plate, no markings on the car that prove it was one and the same. There are no images of the car driving back to Pullman or even how it left from 1122 King Rd. It was brought out in the last 2 hearings that LE did not use the cellular timing report to determine where BK's car went, so they don't really know.

The killer of these 4 people will not have a "motive" that normal people understand. There's a book on Richard Speck, the killer of 8 student nurses in 1966. He didn't have a motive other than he wanted to do it. These people are depraved--they want to fulfill fantasies or experience something that gives them pleasure. That's the "motive."

 

[iamshadow21]

The killer of these 4 people will not have a "motive" that normal people understand. There's a book on Richard Speck, the killer of 8 student nurses in 1966. He didn't have a motive other than he wanted to do it. These people are depraved--they want to fulfill fantasies or experience something that gives them pleasure. That's the "motive."

Yeah, I've said before in this thread, he wanted to kill them, and so he did. I think he fantasised about it for a very long time, and when he did it, he enjoyed it. Once he'd done it, he probably immediately started thinking about ways to make it 'better' next time. I think it was Bundy who said that the reality never matches the height of the fantasy, so they're always chasing perfection of experience.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

RBBM

The defense will perhaps try to make that claim at trial, but absent proof, I’m putting it in the same category as the defense demanding notes & recordings of Det. Payne interviewing BK it knows don’t exist.

MOO & YMMV

The defense did obtain recordings of the interview with Detective Payne per the prosecution response to discovery.


Page 3 May 12 2023

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/051223+States+Response+to+Defendants+Motion+to+Compel+Discovery.pdf

The D would not know if there were notes or reports without asking.
JMO

 

[Swansee]

@Nila Aella
Do you have any idea about when the Payne interview with BK happened ?
Would Payne have been sent out to PA? Was this after BK was extradited to Idaho?
Or... was there a BK interview before he left WSU on his drive with his dad? I'm very confused by this element.

 

[Nila Aella]

@Nila Aella
Do you have any idea about when the Payne interview with BK happened ?
Would Payne have been sent out to PA? Was this after BK was extradited to Idaho?
Or... was there a BK interview before he left WSU on his drive with his dad? I'm very confused by this element.

I am confused too.
It is not clear to me when/where it happened.

In the same State's response



I can read it two different ways.
I also recall statements about and FBI agent S having an interview with BK over the telephone - not recorded. Not sure when that happened either, but to me it seemed like before arrest. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

So, here we go with the motion for Change of Venue.

I predict one more (asking Judge to recuse himself) so that they can later appeal on that basis.

I predict Judge Judge will deny both motions as they come up.

Maybe by October, they'll be able to re-set a trial date.

IMO

I'm not so sure of the COV, even though I think it would be a bad decision. I have a sinking feeling J3 will err on the side of caution and possibly grant that. I hope not.

JMO

 

[daydreamin]

Yeah, I've said before in this thread, he wanted to kill them, and so he did. I think he fantasised about it for a very long time, and when he did it, he enjoyed it. Once he'd done it, he probably immediately started thinking about ways to make it 'better' next time. I think it was Bundy who said that the reality never matches the height of the fantasy, so they're always chasing perfection of experience.

MOO

Just curious but why do you think he left two of the roommates alone and didn't kill 6 people that night? According to DM he didn't run out of the house he just casually walked past her door on his way out.

I mean no disrespect I'm just trying to understand how he would of fantasized about it for a very long time as you said when it doesn't appear that even knew any of the victims.

My opinion.

 

[Swansee]

@Nila Aella
Very strange. IIRC BK invoked his right to remain silent almost immediately after his arrest in PA, right before LaBar got involved. And after that he hasn't really uttered a word other than when he absolutely had to answer a judge. Labar or later AT would have been by his side if Payne had interviewed him post arrest, even on the phone, right?
So oddly enough, there might be a pre-arrest BK interview. I wonder if at the time when they were just looking for a white Elantra, Payne could have just been calling up owners of such vehicles and spoken with BK before he officially became a suspect?
JMO of course!

 

[Nila Aella]

@Nila Aella
Very strange. IIRC BK invoked his right to remain silent almost immediately after his arrest in PA, right before LaBar got involved. And after that he hasn't really uttered a word other than when he absolutely had to answer a judge. Labar or later AT would have been by his side if Payne had interviewed him post arrest, even on the phone, right?
So oddly enough, there might be a pre-arrest BK interview. I wonder if at the time when they were just looking for a white Elantra, Payne could have just been calling up owners of such vehicles and spoken with BK before he officially became a suspect?
JMO of course!

Agree. Same thoughts about when and elantra owners. Call might have even originated from a tip?
BK did answer questions briefly after arrested in PA.
Not sure who questioned him before he invoked his right to remain silent.
JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I've posted on this very subject before.. how smart and dumb he was.. at the same time.

Smart
Wiped the car completely clean, covered his face and body during crime along with gloves for no finger prints, got rid of the knife and bloody clothes, laid fairly low and continued to teach his class etc, tried to wipe off DNA from sheath.


Dumb
Left his car with one license plate on back (Pennsylvania) so it reduced the number potential suspects dramatically, did not leave his phone on at the apartment but instead took it with him and turned it on and off, got up to put his DNA in neighbor's trash cans in PA.

Nicely said Justice101!^^^….. and I keep suggesting to my young daughters of their need to learn how to read and interpret a printed road map and atlas. The old folding type. And not for any apparent reasons needed in this case. MOO

 

[daydreamin]

I've posted on this very subject before.. how smart and dumb he was.. at the same time.

Smart
Wiped the car completely clean, covered his face and body during crime along with gloves for no finger prints, got rid of the knife and bloody clothes, laid fairly low and continued to teach his class etc, tried to wipe off DNA from sheath.


Dumb
Left his car with one license plate on back (Pennsylvania) so it reduced the number potential suspects dramatically, did not leave his phone on at the apartment but instead took it with him and turned it on and off, got up to put his DNA in neighbor's trash cans in PA.

I just find it hard to believe a guy who was literally teaching at a college on this type of stuff is dumb enough to take his phone with him and commit the murders. Don't you?

I also find it hard to believe he left the sheath at the scene since it's not like he was running out of the house. DM stated he just walked past her bedroom door allegedly.

Just opinion of course.