50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #4

[Boyz_Mum]

Hi, all-I know we have a Geneology thread, but I wanted to put this here for reference as well:

This is the test that Mr. Kyle had done:
"Y-DNA37
This is a male specific test. Results identify the ethnic and geographic origin of the paternal line. It includes a balanced panel of thirty-seven Y-chromosome Short Tandem Repeat, STR, markers. This is the recommended test to trace the paternal ancestry of males for genealogy purposes. The additional markers refine the predicted time period in which two individuals are related and eliminate unrelated matches. A perfect match at thirty-seven markers indicates the two individuals share common ancestry in recent times. A haplogroup is determined and backed by our SNP Assurance Program. When another person shows identical results within our database, if both parties have signed the Family Tree DNA Release Form, then we will inform them of the match. The customer will also receive a certificate and report describing the testing process and the meaning of thirty-seven marker matches."

I don't want people to become frustrated dealing with this new information. There are 8 variations of the Powell family surname that are documented any one of which are a possible match to Benjaman's "real" last name....

Thank you for the explanation, I'll continue looking around! :blowkiss:

 

[believe09]

Thank you for the explanation, I'll continue looking around! :blowkiss:

:blowkiss:Back-atcha!!

 

[peaceinme]

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I saw this today as well. The photos look like the man has brown eyes.
And I thought his ears were not at the same level as BK's.
But gosh, it would not hurt to have a side by side.
Anyone?

FWIW, I thinks this looks A LOT like a younger Benjaman Kyle would have looked.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

FWIW, I thinks this looks A LOT like a younger Benjaman Kyle would have looked.

I compared the photos with the photos on that site and I saw resemblences (forehead, mouth, chin...) but the coloring threw me off-Joe looked a little darker than I would have imagined BK looked at a younger age.

Can a side by side be done? Would that be against rules does anyone know? I don't know how to do a side by side, so I'm not much help at all!

peaceinme, thanks for your input! :blowkiss:

 

[dreamweaver]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjaman_Kyle

wikipedia is asking for more links on Benjaman Kyle.
If I remember correctly, they took off some things when someone
updated them. Correct?

 

[DawnTCB]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjaman_Kyle

wikipedia is asking for more links on Benjaman Kyle.
If I remember correctly, they took off some things when someone
updated them. Correct?

It looks like they are looking for links TO the BK article:

"This article is orphanedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan as few or no other articles link to ithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Benjaman_Kyle&namespace=0. Please help introduce to this subject in articles on topics related to it." (bolding theirs).

There's something a little ironic about that - that Wikipedia is looking for links to BK, just like we are.

 

[carolwood]

Thinking outloud.
What do we know about this Joseph Powell DNA line? What info does Ancestry provide? (I don't have a membership). Anything we can branch out from off of this 'tree'- Do we know if this particular DNA line was always spelled Powell or was it changed?

What we'd have to work with.
1)Benjaman - if this is a correct first name and not a name of someone very dear to BK.
2)A possible 1948 birth year and possible birth date of August 29 if his memory is correct about being exactly 10 years older than Michael Jackson.
3)Possible Powell surname or mothers maiden name.

Thoughts anyone? Too broad to work with if one is good at genealogy?

anyone an ancestry expert here?

thanks!

I can tell you there are at least 5 Joseph Powells, dating back to abt. 1765. I also can tell you, that unless we get something closer and more specific, you will be working this line for a while. JMO, I do genealogy research. Now lets say that Ben is a Powell, you chase all the males in the 5 lines above?
Not impossible, time consuming.
At the point above, you are about 8 generations to Ben, if he is a POWELL.

 

[dreamweaver]

I can tell you there are at least 5 Joseph Powells, dating back to abt. 1765. I also can tell you, that unless we get something closer and more specific, you will be working this line for a while. JMO, I do genealogy research. Now lets say that Ben is a Powell, you chase all the males in the 5 lines above?
Not impossible, time consuming.
At the point above, you are about 8 generations to Ben, if he is a POWELL.

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Sadly, I had to come to that understanding. It took me a bit.
But it is good to know that BK will do more extensive dna testing.

 

[carolwood]

Though we still don't know if BK is a Powell, I found a photo I would like you all to see. It is the picture of John Powell(see left margin, click on John Powell)
I think the nose of BK is very distinct, just look at this fellow's nose, or is it just me?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5792/photos.htm

 

[christine2448]

Though we still don't know if BK is a Powell, I found a photo I would like you all to see. It is the picture of John Powell(see left margin, click on John Powell)
I think the nose of BK is very distinct, just look at this fellow's nose, or is it just me?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5792/photos.htm

Yup, very interesting nose.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Though we still don't know if BK is a Powell, I found a photo I would like you all to see. It is the picture of John Powell(see left margin, click on John Powell)
I think the nose of BK is very distinct, just look at this fellow's nose, or is it just me?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5792/photos.htm

I find it interesting that the nose of John Powell does resemble the nose of BK. If I am reading right, John Powell was born in 1803? This could put 6 to 8 generations between BK and John Powell? (Also, the eyes of both BK and the pictured John Powell are somewhat close set near the eyebrow area?) Are "noses" something that are inherited through generations? Mine is a lot like my mom's and my grandma's but I can't go any further with photos except to compare with aunts and uncles. Anyone have a genealogical tree with photos that can answer?

 

[dreamweaver]

Though we still don't know if BK is a Powell, I found a photo I would like you all to see. It is the picture of John Powell(see left margin, click on John Powell)
I think the nose of BK is very distinct, just look at this fellow's nose, or is it just me?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5792/photos.htm

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carolwood:
Well, I do think this looks like BK.
pro: the nose, ears line up like BK's, the eye setting is a close match.

boyz_mum:
There can be a marked resemblance between so many generations.
We have a picture of my dad's grandfather, born in 1850.
My dad, born in 1918, looks very much like him.
Some features are passed along to another generation.
But, on the other side of that, my dad had five brothers.
No one looked that much like their grandfather but my dad.

 

[carolwood]

Just for reference, I have not checked to see if John Powell above is in Joseph Powell's line, I was just looking at some photo's on this site, and this man caught my eye. I will see if he is in a Joseph Powell line. Like I said before, there are at least 5 of these Joseph Powell's that I have found so far. Will check and let you all know.

I checked to see, there is a Joseph Powell in the line, but 1856. Don't think this would be the one we are looking at. The John Powell above, decends from a Charles Powell.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Is there a thread "dedicated" to the "Powell" findings? (Is there a rule or term of service it would violate?) I just wonder since we don't know anything for "certain" would it be easier if it was it's own thread?

 

[snowme]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjaman_Kyle

wikipedia is asking for more links on Benjaman Kyle.
If I remember correctly, they took off some things when someone
updated them. Correct?

That note is from wiki members that go around trying to keep things tidy, I believe - because anyone can report this or that needing attention. When I was editing the page several months ago someone kept going in and removing info, like Benjaman's vitals, FBI Bill's contact, his DOE page info, and they were questioning the right to use the pictures. The comments were petty and juvenile (something like "this isn't unsolved mysteries"). Admittedly, I got frustrated with whoever these people behind the screens were and gave up. I consider wikipedia to have great potential (even with the potential for error and inaccuracy due to it being human volunteer based, lol) but it seems to me they prefer the Benjaman Kyle article to stay within the realm of amnesia and not a missing person, live unidentified person, etc. They didn't seem to want to tolerate the idea for potentially being useful in that manner.

In reading the history (of edits) and the discussion for deletion (some there do want the article deleted altogether) I see that many have voiced their concerns and are trying to keep the page up. There have been many edits made since I was last there and obviously those people are trying to keep it within the guidelines necessary.

The things I would want in there (Benjaman's vitals, FBI Bill's contact, his DOE page info, and photos) they take issue with so I'm not going to push them since they are at least battling to keep the page.

ETA: I think what they are wanting is not necessarily just any links (like, say, a myspace dedicated to Benjaman) but that they want what they consider reputatable news article links and others that give validity to the fact that this isn't junk or a hoax or an invasion of privacy of a living person. Some in the discussions for deletion and reasons for deletion edits have voiced the idea of those things in particular. They're not sure it's real and therefore don't want to give credence to it without something they believe to be proof (I guess).

 

[snowme]

Though we still don't know if BK is a Powell, I found a photo I would like you all to see. It is the picture of John Powell(see left margin, click on John Powell)
I think the nose of BK is very distinct, just look at this fellow's nose, or is it just me?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5792/photos.htm

I see what you see about that nose! I looked at the John Powell pic and Benjaman's side by side. Quite similar!

 

[believe09]

Hi, gang!!!

Mr. Kyle had a set of XRAYS done of his elbow today. This will be added to the NCIC database listing, I believe, but also will assist an orthopedic specialist in hopefully recognizing technique and dating perhaps the injury...

 

[Roselvr]

Hi, gang!!!

Mr. Kyle had a set of XRAYS done of his elbow today. This will be added to the NCIC database listing, I believe, but also will assist an orthopedic specialist in hopefully recognizing technique and dating perhaps the injury...

That is wonderful!
Is it confirmed there is hardware in there?

 

[believe09]

That is wonderful!
Is it confirmed there is hardware in there?

I do not believe that he has the actual report yet; he turned it over to LE so they could get it into NCIC. I know he was wanded and he has something in there

Even better-

BK is now in the NCIC Database!!!!

This means his dental films, DNA, Iafis prints, shoe size (kidding) left-handedness (I think he is a righty) will run against every person anywhere...OK not really, but all the databases on a local, state and federal level that feed into NCIC.

Yee-Haw!!!!

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Yahoooooo!! This is fantastic news! One giant leap

I do not believe that he has the actual report yet; he turned it over to LE so they could get it into NCIC. I know he was wanded and he has something in there

Even better-

BK is now in the NCIC Database!!!!

This means his dental films, DNA, Iafis prints, shoe size (kidding) left-handedness (I think he is a righty) will run against every person anywhere...OK not really, but all the databases on a local, state and federal level that feed into NCIC.

Yee-Haw!!!!